TJJohn12
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Do you mean positive - in that he HAS COVID-19? Do you have close contact with him?
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Do you mean positive - in that he HAS COVID-19? Do you have close contact with him?
G00fyDad
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That is entirely possible but it would also be based on how often he interacts with the outside world. He stays home with you but does he go outside often? To the store with you often? Is he around other children often? He may not have appeared sick but he may have not shown any symptoms. I am sick from time to time and I don't have any really obvious symptoms. But in order for him to be more susceptible he would have to have been very sheltered up to now.
hopemax
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No, I mean negative. I had shared earlier in the week, that 3 out of 4 friends had just received positive tests, and since he had seen 2 of them recently, he got tested. I was just updating with the results. His was negative. And no, I don't have contact. I'm in CO, he's in FL.
Kevin_W
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There has been talk on this thread of T-cell immunity. I was pretty uneducated on it, but here is an interesting article:
www.bbc.com
The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19
While the latest research suggests that antibodies against Covid-19 could be lost in just three months, a new hope has appeared on the horizon: the enigmatic T cell.
www.bbc.com
Indoor restaurants, particularly if they have poor ventilation have been shown in the past to infect people further away, heres a link to the early study from the CDC.
Those rules only apply to outdoor settings or well ventilated indoor spaces (like big box stores and most modern grocery stores.) Eating at an indoor restaurant/drinking at an indoor bar is one of the most likely places a normal person can be infected with Covid right now.
Dizneykid
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Not going to lie. He's pretty sheltered in the winter months but we go out lots more in the summer including Disney world last year
We are a hand washing and hygiene type of family in general. He got sick once last year but hadn't been sick with anything for 2 full years before that. It's not easy to be as exposed when not in a daycare or school setting. It seems like we aren't even seeing trends in severely compromised children in the mortality totals (i.e., chemo receipients, etc). You would think there would be some reflection in infants and those with virtually no immune systems. What is it about children and covid? Why are they considered higher risk with flu but not covid if covid is worse? I hope they reveal some theories about this soon.
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Dizneykid
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Would we have to quarantine if we are notified about a case at this restaurant? It didnt seem like we had to give our information. The server asked us to write our name and number when she gave us the check but we could have easily not done it. She didn't seem like she was going to push. I ultimately did it for the greater good. I was just unsure on why we'd be considered a contact if we met zero criteria.
I have no idea, is this coming from a public health department, how are they making those decisions, etc. Ask some of these questions to the person telling you this and run it by your doctor/ local public health department, that’s where you should get your information from, not an internet message board.
Dizneykid
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Lol...I'm not expecting to be contacted by this restaurant. I am also not in desperate pursuit of clarification. Just shooting the breeze with someone who happened to respond to my comment. With all due respect, this message board is already kind of a funny place to be talking about a pandemic.
My opinion on what you should do could be construed as medical advice in a court of law as I’ve said I’m a doctor. Even without the legal risk though I simply don’t know enough about your specific case to make an informed decision so it would be unethical to do so. If I wasn’t a doctor I would have had no problem continuing the discussion, but I am so that’s why I had to end the talk.
Nothing personal, we do live in strange times.
Dizneykid
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hopemax
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Except, they have some good guesses. This virus likes to attach itself to ACE2 protein receptors and kids just don't have those in their noses & lungs in the same quantities that adults do. In kids, the virus is trying to climb a flag pole, coated in a slippery substance. It can't latch on in sufficient quantity. They are also looking at another genetic factor called IL-10. It's a cytokine that reduces inflammation that is present in higher quantities the younger a person is.
I get the impression, that scientists have a general understanding, but are waiting for the results to come in before speaking with authority. Unlike some other scientists, who present a pre-print of a bad study and then scream from the rooftops that their results prove that we are all overreacting to this virus and if we simply stop trying to control anything, then this will just all go away soon. But their caution doesn't lend itself, toward tantalizing media stories.
I have been looking into this 20% herd immunity a little. Apparently, the paper assumes that 50% of the population simply can't get sick. So then by the time you add the 20%-30% who do get sick, then viola, threshold reached. But they provide no reasoning other than "magical T-cells" for why people can't get sick. They ignore that there are neighborhoods and locales where seroprevalance is high, so apparently the 50% of the population that has magical T-cells, simply don't live there? Miami seems to be one of these places as they had a good outbreak before, and have another one now. In the US, we have scientist whose name keeps popping up because his credentials also include Stanford. But newsflash, good universities can employ people that will do bad science to prove a point (at least that's the reason why some people see Harvard and immediately discredit them). This Oxford team, seems to be the UK equivalent. Before presenting this option, she and at least one of her co-authors also presented the idea in March, that the virus started circulating earlier than we thought, so that people didn't get sick because "everyone already had it." Then the serology results started coming back and people had to stop using that as justification for why we didn't have to do anything. So they went from 50% of the population already had it to 50% of the population can't get sick. She is also a theoretical epidemiologist (Big Bang Theory fans can imagine the differences between Sheldon and Leonard's views of physics), so it's her job to think up novel explanations. But we aren't living through a theoretical exercise, eventually the theories have to resolve with the actual "observed" experiences.
FWIW, my "I'm not a scientist" opinion for why things have slowed down is because of the behavioral aspects and comorbidities associated with economic inequality. It spread like wildfire through people who did not have the ability to self-isolate because of their essential worker jobs, then went home to smaller, more crowded living conditions, with multi-general households (because that's all they can afford). These people also lack access to regular, preventative health care and so have several comorbidities that make them susceptible to more serious infections. Like, older people in care facilities, the virus has burned through through this group where large outbreaks have occurred. It doesn't make everyone else "safe," it just makes everyone else less likely to have been exposed. When higher class people expose themselves through parties and travel, they get sick too. An analogy using lava: A'a lava moves very fast. What we saw during Kilauea's most recent eruption. Pahoehoe is a slow moving lava. It's what we saw, still at Kilauea, but at the Pu'u O'o crater. The lava slowly advanced on the closest community. But as far as the ground, the structures, the animals & people in its path, both types of lava burn and destroy the same.
I do believe that T-cells absolutely play in a role in outcome severity. But not as "magic bullets" that are going to save us from having to do anything. I remain skeptical of solutions that align with human desire for all of this to just go away, because we are tired of dealing with it.
Just can't seem to break under the 10%. Seems like nothing is really changing. More action is going to be required to do anything meaningful to the numbers.
So two things- I’m no longer shaken by something above 10K... it’s (unfortunately) a shrug now ‘norm’
and that death toll is nasty
Nothing will be done because ‘we are doing well’ according to... some...
cgersic
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My dad had a stroke a month and a half ago and he was not tested when admitted to the hospital, while he was there for a week, nor when he was transferred to a rehab facility. We could not believe that he was not going to be tested before being admitted to the rehab and when we asked multiple times, we were told he couldn't have one. If I was someone that was in that rehab unit and knew that they were not testing new admittance, I would be livid. He was in rehab for 3 weeks and never got tested once. Still hasn't. He's a long time smoker and 2 open heart surgeries and now battling what they believe to be Parkinson's. We live in SW Florida, Lee County.
oceanbreeze77
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oceanbreeze77
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I think if deaths reach 200, disney may close.
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