In fact many governors seemed to be trying to ruin economies.
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In fact many governors seemed to be trying to ruin economies.
In November they are not the ones going to be replaced.
Looks like some stage shows in the theme parks are directly impacted by covid.
DisneyDebRob
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There are thousand upon thousands of DVC owners from Canada. You only need to go to a discussion board on other sites , find the Canada DVC boards where the members list where and when the bought. Nobody knows exact numbers because Disney doesn’t release numbers for how many members, only for contracts sold.
Whoever said that, if your correct in saying you read that is wrong. And this is only DVC I’m talking about, not the other tens of thousands who come that aren’t members.
carolina_yankee
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Too many posts to quote:
Regarding Opening Too Fast / No We Didn’t:
It’s not just when a state reopens, but how much at a time. Do you turn the spigot on all at once, or dial it up? NJ has maintained several weeks between each stage of opening so data could be reviewed (Data Determines Dates is the mantra). Within each stage, openings are rolled out over several weeks so that we can pause rather than roll back if needed. Indoor has been extremely slow. We won’t get to indoor until later this week, and it will be at only 25% capacity for quite some time. We also have heavy emphasis on masking and distancing. In the meantime, our stats are stable.
The models showed the South wouldn’t peak until after the North, bu they started reopening early, and they did it quickly. Now they have to pause or even roll back.
Regarding Protests:
Risky, for sure. However, they can’t be the scapegoat. Philadelphia, NJ, NY, Mass all head heavy amounts of protest. And our numbers are stable. Maybe we just protest better because we’re more used to it.
For the protests I’m aware of, there was a call by organizer to mask and distance. It’s not mobs running out into the streets. These things are planned with strategies and expectations. Not going to debate what happens as a result because that’s not the point here. The point is we protested and our numbers are stable.
Also, outdoors is always safe than inddors. There is a very difference between a protest outside, even without masking, and cramming a bar inside without masking.
Regarding Deaths and Hospitalizations:
I fully accept the data and that these are very good things where they remain low. It’s too early to say that that will remain the case. Regardless, as numbers rise, hospitalizations will rise. Even if the healthcare system can handle them, will they do so at the epxense of elective procedures again? That causes economic and medical damage, too.
People need to stop being selfish (my life is all that matters!) and think of the long game. It totally sucks what we are going through. It doesn’t have to suck as much if people do the responsible thing. Acting out of self-interest and “it’s somebody else’s problem” is simply going to prolong the pain and create more instability in the meantime.
Regarding Opening Too Fast / No We Didn’t:
It’s not just when a state reopens, but how much at a time. Do you turn the spigot on all at once, or dial it up? NJ has maintained several weeks between each stage of opening so data could be reviewed (Data Determines Dates is the mantra). Within each stage, openings are rolled out over several weeks so that we can pause rather than roll back if needed. Indoor has been extremely slow. We won’t get to indoor until later this week, and it will be at only 25% capacity for quite some time. We also have heavy emphasis on masking and distancing. In the meantime, our stats are stable.
The models showed the South wouldn’t peak until after the North, bu they started reopening early, and they did it quickly. Now they have to pause or even roll back.
Regarding Protests:
Risky, for sure. However, they can’t be the scapegoat. Philadelphia, NJ, NY, Mass all head heavy amounts of protest. And our numbers are stable. Maybe we just protest better because we’re more used to it.
For the protests I’m aware of, there was a call by organizer to mask and distance. It’s not mobs running out into the streets. These things are planned with strategies and expectations. Not going to debate what happens as a result because that’s not the point here. The point is we protested and our numbers are stable.Also, outdoors is always safe than inddors. There is a very difference between a protest outside, even without masking, and cramming a bar inside without masking.
Regarding Deaths and Hospitalizations:
I fully accept the data and that these are very good things where they remain low. It’s too early to say that that will remain the case. Regardless, as numbers rise, hospitalizations will rise. Even if the healthcare system can handle them, will they do so at the epxense of elective procedures again? That causes economic and medical damage, too.
People need to stop being selfish (my life is all that matters!) and think of the long game. It totally sucks what we are going through. It doesn’t have to suck as much if people do the responsible thing. Acting out of self-interest and “it’s somebody else’s problem” is simply going to prolong the pain and create more instability in the meantime.
I don’t presume anything he admitted to lying! I also never said their health care system was awful just that I have met several Canadians with supplemental insurance in my town participating in the US health care system. I was only asking why would they pay for something that was a perk of living in their country .
Miss Bella
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You said there was a lot of mis information and the thread should be shut down. You never bothered to explain what the misinformation was. I haven’t seen any discussion about treatments, icu management or pathology so it can’t be that.
Trust me you aren’t alone with wanting the borders to stay closed! Not closing the borders soon enough is what got us into this mess in the first place!
Trade between both countries including border travel to involve trade is critical and for people employed. To shut that down would not be good.
DisneyDebRob
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Amazing how things have changed. Now countries won’t let us in because it’s getting out of hand here.
Heppenheimer
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BTW, whoever said Canadian politics doesn't affect the US... do you realize that Canada is the US's single biggest trading partner and largest foreign supplier of petroleum? Although the US probably exerts a much larger effect on Canada than vice-versa, decisions made in our neighbor to the north do have an impact here.
Anecdotally, the Canadian-German family I married into is obsessed with Disney in general and the parks in particular.
BTW, whoever said Canadian politics doesn't affect the US... do you realize that Canada is the US's single biggest trading partner and largest foreign supplier of petroleum? Although the US probably exerts a much larger effect on Canada than vice-versa, decisions made in our neighbor to the north do have an impact here.
Heppenheimer
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Because the government plans are not covered outside of Canada, that's why. Considering the large number of elderly Canadian snowbirds who spend the winter in the southern US, supplemental insurance is a necessity.
There are pluses and minuses to both systems. The minus on the Canadian side are the long wait times for routine access. The plus is that a major hospitalization won't cripple a person financially. Not saying one system is necessarily better than the other for all purposes, but each country has made choices in what they consider most important. In the US, we don't want to wait months for an orthopedic or dermatology consultation, but with that comes much higher costs.
I live right by the border so these aren’t snowbirds.
John park hopper
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Some one is paying for those Canadian medical costs via higher taxes. Here in the US the individual must set his or her priorities are as far as health coverage is concerned. I have friends whose heath care priority seems to be low. They will freely spend money on vacations, adult toys etc etc and then complain they can't afford healthcare. Sorry you get no sympathy from me
Heppenheimer
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See the rest of the post for the discussion of access vs. cost.
BrianLo
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I believe 90% of our population lives within 100 miles of the border. That might help contextualize it for you a bit more about why we are particularly well versed
Definitely you are correct. There is a certain notoriety up here about American’s ignorance of world politics. It has sustained a few different Canadian comedy routines And TV segments. Jimmy Kimmel is the American equivalent asking people on the street seemingly basic questions.
For better or worse there is a major discrepancy about how knowledgeable an average American is / the importance of the rest of the world. That isn’t shared by the other G7 countries at least.
To @legwand77 Florida is usually the most or second most visited state by Canadians. Despite being nowhere close to a border. Granted there are snowbirds. But we’re like Japan in terms of being strangely Disney indoctrinated.
Heppenheimer
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If you're talking about supplemental insurance in Canada, no, that is not paid for by taxes. It is usually paid by the employer (or their pension, if retired) or by the individual out of pocket.
Heppenheimer
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My wife says, only partly in jest, that the US should just cede a section of Florida to Canada. I counter that maybe Canada could make better use of Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands, since we don't seem to have figured out what to do with them.
The ones needing to pay for health care costs at times set up a Go- Fund Me site to ask for donations.
Because this is a discussion forum. Letting people talk and see other people's view point is what we are here for. Simply because someone does not agree with something does not mean that it should be deleted or shutdown. Anyone is free to express their viewpoint as long as it is within the terms of use. Terms and rules
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