Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Miss Bella]

Plan? Their?

I don't want to venture into politics on this side of the board.

 

[legwand77]

Forget about the public health side of this and just look purely at the economy. If everyone thought exactly like you then it wouldn‘t matter. People would just ignore the virus and go about life and there would be no impact to the economy or tourism. The problem is not everyone thinks that way. An article was posted earlier saying that 60% of adult Americans have at least 1 of the health issues that put them in the high risk category. People at higher risk are going to be less likely to ignore the increase in case load and continue to go out and about. That doesn’t even include the young and healthy who don’t want to get infected and end up infecting a relative in the high risk group who they see frequently. Some of those people will also cut back on activity. There are levels within high risk. Someone who is 65+ with heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure is probably staying mostly at home no matter what, but a younger adult with maybe one or two conditions may be more likely to “rejoin society”. The more the case load goes up the more people will “sit it out”. The economy doesn’t work with more than half of the people not participating.

So while we may be able to keep the hospitals from being overrun thats the bear minimum goal. If there were more people taking this seriously and willing to both physical distance and wear masks its possible to also keep the case loads lower and that’s the best scenario for the economy. If the only goal is to keep hospitals from being overrun then the case load can go higher. They can cancel elective surgeries again which has its own health risks and economic impact to people who work in health care outside of the ER (think physical therapist who works with patients after a knee replacement and the administrative people who handle the billing and follow up visits). If needed they can bring in hospital ships or even cruise ships for overflow patients.

Very good points and I see where you are coming from, herd immunity discussion. I do have some other thoughts but getting just into that discussion here is not a good idea. Just mostly sticking to the facts here

 

[GoofGoof]

I will be anxious to see if this leads to increased mortality. Sending my prayers right now. What specifically happened in Florida that didn't happen anywhere else on this level? And I would love some data, not just the assumption that it's all bar hopping. People keep saying young people at bars but bars are open in other states. Did the north slow testing? My friend in NYC says people haven't been social distancing even before the protests. It's strange to me that most other states aren't encountering this. Vermont had an increase and they are still fairly locked down. But not NYC? It's more than a little mind blowing.

There was an article posted a number of pages back which showed the states where masks and strict physical distancing were enforced. The majority of states that were either flat or downward trending in cases were those same states. Also, in a lot of places where bars opened they still required capacity limits and physical distancing. Some states opened bars at 50% capacity with no standing room areas and all employees wearing masks. That’s a far cry from packed bars and next to no masks.

 

[JoeCamel]

I don't want to venture into politics on this side of the board.

Then why make the comment?

 

[legwand77]

There was an article posted a number of pages back which showed the states where masks and strict physical distancing were enforced. The majority of states that were either flat or downward trending in cases were those same states. Also, in a lot of places where bars opened they still required capacity limits and physical distancing. Some states opened bars at 50% capacity with no standing room areas and all employees wearing masks. That’s a far cry from packed bars and next to no masks.

O Canada , masks not enforced

 

[JoeCamel]

We were discussing beaches and parks, people are still going to stores and restaurants the order was not safer at home

Not as MANY times! Reduce the points of contact and you are safer. If you want to slow the spike stay at home. Simple but you seem to want to push your agenda no matter how many people show that you are slanted in your view.

 

[JoeCamel]

All those are opinions and valid, masks have definitlely not been proven to be effective in any meaningful way. The science is split on that for sure. Again to clarify for those in the back, not saying don’t wear a mask.

Wrong again as has been linked many times here. Stop posting falsehoods.

 

[legwand77]

Not as MANY times! Reduce the points of contact and you are safer. If you want to slow the spike stay at home. Simple but you seem to want to push your agenda no matter how many people show that you are slanted in your view.

What is my agenda? What is my slanted view? my opinion is just closing beaches and parks is pointless.

 

[Dizneykid]

If we all agree that masks are effective, why can't Disney World open? Why do some people think lockdowns are still the answer? If masks are good enough for essential stores we visit every single week, it seems like a common ground solution to wear a mask and keep away from close contact. I'm at the point where it feels like we have no choice but to move forward. Mandate rules to the extent that you can and decide for yourself if it's enough before you enter any situation.

 

[Miss Bella]

Not as MANY times! Reduce the points of contact and you are safer. If you want to slow the spike stay at home. Simple but you seem to want to push your agenda no matter how many people show that you are slanted in your view.

Maybe some of us don't want to spend our lives isolated in our homes posting charts and graphs and telling other people how to live their lives.
If this virus is still around a year from now or two years from now? Are you still going to be sitting at home?

 

[legwand77]

Wrong again as has been linked many times here. Stop posting falsehoods.

the Who says that, cdc says it both ways. It has been show both ways , nothing has been proven either way

 

[JoeCamel]

What is my agenda? What is my slanted view? my opinion is just closing beaches and parks is pointless.

That is a start when it is proven that area restricting travel and destinations have a slower/lower rate of spread. Stay away from other people. Not hard unless you are hard headed.

 

[JoeCamel]

Maybe some of us don't want to spend our lives isolated in our homes posting charts and graphs and telling other people how to live their lives.
If this virus is still around a year from now or two years from now? Are you still going to be sitting at home?

Yes, I don't want to be the cause of someone else's death or illness. I like to think of myself as a human not a meman,.

 

[Miss Bella]

If we all agree that masks are effective, why can't Disney World open? Why do some people think lockdowns are still the answer? If masks are good enough for essential stores we visit every single week, it seems like a common ground solution to wear a mask and keep away from close contact. I'm at the point where it feels like we have no choice but to move forward. Mandate rules to the extent that you can and decide for yourself if it's enough before you enter any situation.

Luckily Disney agrees with your point of view and not the lockdown advocates.

 

[legwand77]

If we all agree that masks are effective, why can't Disney World open? Why do some people think lockdowns are still the answer? If masks are good enough for essential stores we visit every single week, it seems like a common ground solution to wear a mask and keep away from close contact. I'm at the point where it feels like we have no choice but to move forward. Mandate rules to the extent that you can and decide for yourself if it's enough before you enter any situation.

yup, very true

 

[Miss Bella]

Yes, I don't want to kill someone else

Enjoy your life then.

 

[Rider]

The current CDC estimate is that as many as 20 million Americans may have Covid. That is only 6% of the population. AT BEST.

Herd immunity without a vaccine requires 70-90% of the population to have caught Covid and that there isn't a chance they could become reinfected (we still don't know this). That means at least 200 million more Americans would need to get the virus to even start to think about herd immunity would be possible.

And what is the death toll to get to that number? Well if there are 20 million (still just a guess) with it now and we look at the current number of deaths we could guess that 1,270,000 dead Americans is the cost. Again at best. If we only look at the confirmed cases we can get an estimate for the worst case: 10,120,000 dead Americans to get to 70% herd immunity.

1.3 to 10.1 million dead Americans.

Herd immunity without a vaccine is not an acceptable course of action and we are no where close to it.

 

[JoeCamel]

If we all agree that masks are effective, why can't Disney World open? Why do some people think lockdowns are still the answer? If masks are good enough for essential stores we visit every single week, it seems like a common ground solution to wear a mask and keep away from close contact. I'm at the point where it feels like we have no choice but to move forward. Mandate rules to the extent that you can and decide for yourself if it's enough before you enter any situation.

That is the path Universal chose. The key is masks and distance. I choose not to make non-essential trips at this time.

Just not 100% effective......

 

[GoofGoof]

O Canada , masks not enforced

Here’s the thing I don’t get and maybe you can explain where you are coming from. I want to see things open and the economy come back. I want to be able to get back to some semblance of normal life. You obviously want things to be open too. Why are you so resistant to any of the mitigation steps that will help us get there? Just today you posted questioning the 6 foot physical distancing rule. You continuously try to discredit masks. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want, but without masks and distancing less things can be open and less of the economy will be working. There’s no need for science or proof on anything, this has everything to do with perception of the masses. Back to the topic of WDW, the parks are going to open soon but only because of those measures you are against.

 

[GoofGoof]

If we all agree that masks are effective, why can't Disney World open? Why do some people think lockdowns are still the answer? If masks are good enough for essential stores we visit every single week, it seems like a common ground solution to wear a mask and keep away from close contact. I'm at the point where it feels like we have no choice but to move forward. Mandate rules to the extent that you can and decide for yourself if it's enough before you enter any situation.

Last I checked WDW was scheduled to open in a few weeks and they will have a mask requirement.