Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Andrew C

Andrew C

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oceanbreeze77 said:
Where did I say this?
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Sorry, essential worker..I am sad you have to work, but that is just how it is. You were deemed essential by the state. Non-essential worker, nah, you shouldn't have to work. You're safety is too important.

This is your attitude. You want to treat them differently, hence you treat their safety differently.
 
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Jwink

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durangojim said:
Disney and Universal are under no requirement to let someone in if they don't wear a mask. I can write letters for my patients stating they have asthma/copd/etc and that a mask makes it more difficult to breathe but that letter doesn't have the authority to make a property owner or business allow them in. It's not an ADA issue.
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No I more so meant there are people once they are in the park holding drinks? Apparently if you were drinking a drink you don’t have to wear a mask and my husband told me that if a person has a drink in their hand they are not allowed to tell them to put on their mask. So people are just walking around with bottles of water or whatever.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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Andrew C said:
Sorry, essential worker..I am sad you have to work, but that is just how it is. You were deemed essential. Non-essential worker, nah, you shouldn't have to work. This is your attitude. You want to treat them differently, hence you treat their safety differently.
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I don't think anyone should have to work, but the reality is essential businesses still need to function. People need to be able to buy food, go to the Dr, get mail, unemployment, etc. People don't need to go to WDW.
 
DisneyDebRob

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Lilofan said:
Did he apply and get approved for family medical leave? I think the time off is several weeks.
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That’s a good idea. Wonder got that would work. I’m sure if your doctor knows you shouldn’t be out because of your immune system or whatever, could it be approved?

Edit:wasn’t thinking of the pay part of it, was just seeing how he can keep his job for awhile.
 
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oceanbreeze77 said:
I don't think anyone should have to work, but the reality is essential businesses still need to function. People need to be able to buy food, go to the Dr, get mail, unemployment, etc. People don't need to go to WDW.
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I mean essential is essential… But I think there should be so many more provisions for people who are deemed essential or who are being forced back to work. Every person that is out there working right now from UPS drivers to grocery store cashiers should be given the proper medical grade protection equipment and they are not. Masks work but masks are not mandatory and most places so the person behind the cash register is over exposed and they should receive the proper medical grade equipment to protect themselves if they are being forced To work. People should also be giving hazard pay… Anyone who is being forced to return to work or who never got to stop working should be given hazard pay and it should all be backdated to the first day that we declared this a pandemic
 
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oceanbreeze77

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Jwink said:
I mean essential is essential… But I think there should be so many more provisions for people who are deemed essential or who are being forced back to work. Every person that is out there working right now from UPS drivers to grocery store cashiers should be given the proper medical grade protection equipment and they are not. Masks work but masks are not mandatory and most places so the person behind the cash register is over exposed and they should receive the proper medical grade equipment to protect themselves if they are being forced To work. People should also be giving hazard pay… Anyone who is being forced to return to work or who never got to stop working should be given hazard pay and it should all be backdated to the first day that we declared this a pandemic
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yes I completely agree.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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legwand77 said:
Sadly, very well put, it appears that some here don't realize how much activity is actually going on.

It will interesting if the hospitalizations continue to stay flat and deaths continue to fall, the posters actively seeking out the bad news and sharing, how many of them will post the good news with the same verve.
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I think many realize all the activity that’s going on, but would be happier if some of it wasn’t...like packed bars with minimal or no distancing and no masks.

If the posters you are referring to are similar to the ones who spent a month preaching that percent positive was all that mattered I assume they will just move the goal posts if the data no longer supports their side. I hope hospitalizations and deaths continue to fall, but what if they don’t? There’s things you can do today to prevent future hospitalizations that may eventually lead to death. We can all hope that since the median age of sick people is lower that in general there won’t be as much serious illness, but that’s a big assumption to rely on. It’s putting all your eggs in one basket. Once the hospitals are overrun it’s too late to act. I’m not saying go back to full stay at home, but leaders have to be forward thinking and not just look at the numbers today and hope they don’t get worse. I think that’s why we saw the pull back on bars in TX and FL and the statewide mask rule in CA. It’s possible to keep most of the economy going and keep more people safe at the same time but people (the government and the citizens) need to buy in and stop denying there’s any problem.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
oceanbreeze77 said:
I don't think anyone should have to work, but the reality is essential businesses still need to function. People need to be able to buy food, go to the Dr, get mail, unemployment, etc. People don't need to go to WDW.
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Yep, so sorry, you are out of luck. 5 years ago you chose a job that was later deemed to be essential. Darn, if you only selected a non-essential job, I would have given your safety more consideration.

Bottom line, the essential and non-essential is nonsense. Treat every workers' safety equally. The non-essential worker should have no choice to go back to work if they want a pay check because that is the no-choice we have given essential workers. If society does not like that, then make a change to the essential worker and give them a choice.
 
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Jwink

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Lilofan said:
It is unpaid but the employee cannot be fired by the employer because of the FML act passed when Clinton was President. I believe it protects the employee for up to 12 weeks of missed work per year.
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Yeah he has FMLA from the birth of our daughter. And unfortunately he has used up most of his vacation pay from When she was born. But technically he could take a few more weeks off but we can’t be unpaid for that long
 
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oceanbreeze77

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GoofGoof said:
I think many realize all the activity that’s going on, but would be happier if some of it wasn’t...like packed bars with minimal or no distancing and no masks.

If the posters you are referring to are similar to the ones who spent a month preaching that percent positive was all that mattered I assume they will just move the goal posts if the data no longer supports their side. I hope hospitalizations and deaths continue to fall, but what if they don’t? There’s things you can do today to prevent future hospitalizations that may eventually lead to death. We can all hope that since the median age of sick people is lower that in general there won’t be as much serious illness, but that’s a big assumption to rely on. It’s putting all your eggs in one basket. Once the hospitals are overrun it’s too late to act. I’m not saying go back to full stay at home, but leaders have to be forward thinking and not just look at the numbers today and hope they don’t get worse. I think that’s why we saw the pull back on bars in TX and FL and the statewide mask rule in CA. It’s possible to keep most of the economy going and keep more people safe at the same time but people (the government and the citizens) need to buy in and stop denying there’s any problem.
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I said it yesterday, but I think people in this country want to see hospitals flooding with sick people before admitting there is a problem. The goal is to AVOID getting to that point.
 
CaptainAmerica

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Jwink said:
I mean essential is essential… But I think there should be so many more provisions for people who are deemed essential or who are being forced back to work. Every person that is out there working right now from UPS drivers to grocery store cashiers should be given the proper medical grade protection equipment and they are not. Masks work but masks are not mandatory and most places so the person behind the cash register is over exposed and they should receive the proper medical grade equipment to protect themselves if they are being forced To work. People should also be giving hazard pay… Anyone who is being forced to return to work or who never got to stop working should be given hazard pay and it should all be backdated to the first day that we declared this a pandemic
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You're completely distorting what people want.

People aren't being "forced" to return to work, people are being "allowed" to return to work. They are happy about this.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Lilofan said:
It is unpaid but the employee cannot be fired by the employer because of the FML act passed when Clinton was President. I believe it protects the employee for up to 12 weeks of missed work per year.
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It does. Also allows you to use any sick or vacation time accumulated so there would be pay if he had any.
 
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