Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Rider]

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Based on a detailed review of available evidence to date, CDC has updated and expanded the list of who is at increased risk for getting severely ill from COVID-19.

Older adults and people with underlying medical conditions remain at increased risk for severe illness, but now CDC has further defined age- and condition-related risks.

As more information becomes available, it is clear that a substantial number of Americans are at increased risk of severe illness – highlighting the importance of continuing to follow preventive measures.

“Understanding who is most at risk for severe illness helps people make the best decisions for themselves, their families, and their communities,” said CDC Director Robert Redfield MD. “While we are all at risk for COVID-19, we need to be aware of who is susceptible to severe complications so that we take appropriate measures to protect their health and well-being.”

COVID-19 risk related to age

CDC has removed the specific age threshold from the older adult classification. CDC now warns that among adults, risk increases steadily as you age, and it’s not just those over the age of 65 who are at increased risk for severe illness.

COVID-19 risk related to underlying medical conditions

CDC also updated the list of underlying medical conditions that increase risk of severe illness after reviewing published reports, pre-print studies, and various other data sources. CDC experts then determined if there was clear, mixed, or limited evidence that the condition increased a person’s risk for severe illness, regardless of age.

There was consistent evidence (from multiple small studies or a strong association from a large study) that specific conditions increase a person’s risk of severe COVID-19 illness:

Chronic kidney disease
COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
Obesity (BMI of 30 or higher)
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
Serious heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
Sickle cell disease
Type 2 diabetes

These changes increase the number of people who fall into higher risk groups. An estimated 60 percent of American adults have at least one chronic medical condition. Obesity is one of the most common underlying conditions that increases one’s risk for severe illness – with about 40 percent of U.S. adults having obesity. The more underlying medical conditions people have, the higher their risk.

CDC also clarified the list of other conditions that might increase a person’s risk of severe illness, including additions such as asthma, high blood pressure, neurologic conditions such as dementia, cerebrovascular disease such as stroke, and pregnancy. An MMWR published today further adds to the growing body of research on risk by comparing data on pregnant and nonpregnant women with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. Pregnant women were significantly more likely to be hospitalized, admitted to the intensive care unit, and receive mechanical ventilation than nonpregnant women; however, pregnant women were not at greater risk for death from COVID-19.

 

[easyrowrdw]

and that is to start

I'm reminded of that old MadTV sketch.

Lowered expectaaaaations

 

[MisterPenguin]

Facts are stubborn things.

I'm sure that has been your experience.

 

[jt04]

Please cite the Epidemiological source that is the foundation for forming this opinion. Or is it just an opinion which may or may not be taken seriously by others?

Not sure which point you are referring to. It is a summation of the current situation and mirrors previous courses of infectious diseases and vaccines. Nothing groundbreaking in my expressed opinion.

It is theoretically possible the virus will be eliminated through herd immunity before a vaccine is developed. We can hope that is the case. I know every effort is being made towards a vaccine but there are no guarantees.

 

[JoeCamel]

Not sure which point you are referring to. It is a summation of the current situation and mirrors previous courses of infectious diseases and vaccines. Nothing groundbreaking in my expressed opinion.

It is theoretically possible the virus will be eliminated through herd immunity before a vaccine is developed. We can hope that is the case. I know every effort is being made towards a vaccine but there are no guarantees.

Have you seen any papers that categorically state the presence of antibodies renders you immune to Covid? We hope but nothing I know of says Yes

 

[legwand77]

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Based on a detailed review of available evidence to date, CDC has updated and expanded the list of who is at increased risk for getting severely ill from COVID-19.

Older adults and people with underlying medical conditions remain at increased risk for severe illness, but now CDC has further defined age- and condition-related risks.

As more information becomes available, it is clear that a substantial number of Americans are at increased risk of severe illness – highlighting the importance of continuing to follow preventive measures.

“Understanding who is most at risk for severe illness helps people make the best decisions for themselves, their families, and their communities,” said CDC Director Robert Redfield MD. “While we are all at risk for COVID-19, we need to be aware of who is susceptible to severe complications so that we take appropriate measures to protect their health and well-being.”

COVID-19 risk related to age

CDC has removed the specific age threshold from the older adult classification. CDC now warns that among adults, risk increases steadily as you age, and it’s not just those over the age of 65 who are at increased risk for severe illness.

COVID-19 risk related to underlying medical conditions

CDC also updated the list of underlying medical conditions that increase risk of severe illness after reviewing published reports, pre-print studies, and various other data sources. CDC experts then determined if there was clear, mixed, or limited evidence that the condition increased a person’s risk for severe illness, regardless of age.

There was consistent evidence (from multiple small studies or a strong association from a large study) that specific conditions increase a person’s risk of severe COVID-19 illness:

Chronic kidney disease
COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
Obesity (BMI of 30 or higher)
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
Serious heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
Sickle cell disease
Type 2 diabetes

These changes increase the number of people who fall into higher risk groups. An estimated 60 percent of American adults have at least one chronic medical condition. Obesity is one of the most common underlying conditions that increases one’s risk for severe illness – with about 40 percent of U.S. adults having obesity. The more underlying medical conditions people have, the higher their risk.

CDC also clarified the list of other conditions that might increase a person’s risk of severe illness, including additions such as asthma, high blood pressure, neurologic conditions such as dementia, cerebrovascular disease such as stroke, and pregnancy. An MMWR published today further adds to the growing body of research on risk by comparing data on pregnant and nonpregnant women with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. Pregnant women were significantly more likely to be hospitalized, admitted to the intensive care unit, and receive mechanical ventilation than nonpregnant women; however, pregnant women were not at greater risk for death from COVID-19.

Saw that earlier not surprised as that is what the data has really showed since April, not a huge difference from before but provides clarity

 

[jt04]

Have you seen any papers that categorically state the presence of antibodies renders you immune to Covid? We hope but nothing I know of says Yes

No. But I find hope in knowing that young people have a natural immunity. Not sure they find antibodies with them but they are able to fight off the virus very well. So much is still unknown.

 

[GoofGoof]

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Based on a detailed review of available evidence to date, CDC has updated and expanded the list of who is at increased risk for getting severely ill from COVID-19.

Older adults and people with underlying medical conditions remain at increased risk for severe illness, but now CDC has further defined age- and condition-related risks.

As more information becomes available, it is clear that a substantial number of Americans are at increased risk of severe illness – highlighting the importance of continuing to follow preventive measures.

“Understanding who is most at risk for severe illness helps people make the best decisions for themselves, their families, and their communities,” said CDC Director Robert Redfield MD. “While we are all at risk for COVID-19, we need to be aware of who is susceptible to severe complications so that we take appropriate measures to protect their health and well-being.”

COVID-19 risk related to age

CDC has removed the specific age threshold from the older adult classification. CDC now warns that among adults, risk increases steadily as you age, and it’s not just those over the age of 65 who are at increased risk for severe illness.

COVID-19 risk related to underlying medical conditions

CDC also updated the list of underlying medical conditions that increase risk of severe illness after reviewing published reports, pre-print studies, and various other data sources. CDC experts then determined if there was clear, mixed, or limited evidence that the condition increased a person’s risk for severe illness, regardless of age.

There was consistent evidence (from multiple small studies or a strong association from a large study) that specific conditions increase a person’s risk of severe COVID-19 illness:

Chronic kidney disease
COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
Obesity (BMI of 30 or higher)
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
Serious heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
Sickle cell disease
Type 2 diabetes

These changes increase the number of people who fall into higher risk groups. An estimated 60 percent of American adults have at least one chronic medical condition. Obesity is one of the most common underlying conditions that increases one’s risk for severe illness – with about 40 percent of U.S. adults having obesity. The more underlying medical conditions people have, the higher their risk.

CDC also clarified the list of other conditions that might increase a person’s risk of severe illness, including additions such as asthma, high blood pressure, neurologic conditions such as dementia, cerebrovascular disease such as stroke, and pregnancy. An MMWR published today further adds to the growing body of research on risk by comparing data on pregnant and nonpregnant women with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. Pregnant women were significantly more likely to be hospitalized, admitted to the intensive care unit, and receive mechanical ventilation than nonpregnant women; however, pregnant women were not at greater risk for death from COVID-19.

So 60% of American adults have at least one of these medical conditions that puts them into the high risk group. Kinda kills the plan of locking away the “high risk“ people and letting everyone else do what they want.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not sure which point you are referring to. It is a summation of the current situation and mirrors previous courses of infectious diseases and vaccines. Nothing groundbreaking in my expressed opinion.

It is theoretically possible the virus will be eliminated through herd immunity before a vaccine is developed. We can hope that is the case. I know every effort is being made towards a vaccine but there are no guarantees.

Then you should have no problem naming one of these viruses.

 

[WDWTrojan]

No. But I find hope in knowing that young people have a natural immunity. Not sure they find antibodies with them but they are able to fight off the virus very well. So much is still unknown.

A week on a ventilator for many of them is not "very well."

 

[The Mom]

No. But I find hope in knowing that young people have a natural immunity. Not sure they find antibodies with them but they are able to fight off the virus very well. So much is still unknown.

Again, I have not seen any medical research stating that young people have a natural immunity, only that young, healthy people do not seem to get as sick. But again, schools closed, so they have been at home. I'm interested in seeing what happens when schools start to reopen, especially college dorms.

 

[legwand77]

Again, I have not seen any medical research stating that young people have a natural immunity, only that young, healthy people do not seem to get as sick. But again, schools closed, so they have been at home. I'm interested in seeing what happens when schools start to reopen, especially college dorms.

there is some research stating exposure to other coronavirus' prior to this year might be provide some natural immunity to this one.

 

[jt04]

Again, I have not seen any medical research stating that young people have a natural immunity, only that young, healthy people do not seem to get as sick. But again, schools closed, so they have been at home. I'm interested in seeing what happens when schools start to reopen, especially college dorms.

Well I read most of the new infections are among the youth and so far no big upturn in hospitalization or deaths as seen in the spring. I'm not saying this isn't a serious situation, just that there are few options or easy answers. Almost no deaths of healthy young people have occured. So humans have some sort of immunity.

 

[mickeymiss]

So 60% of American adults have at least one of these medical conditions that puts them into the high risk group. Kinda kills the plan of locking away the “high risk“ people and letting everyone else do what they want.

The risk of infectious complications from any virus is always elevated for those conditions, aren't they? I would think masks and distancing can still be our way through this. It's the best we can do when closing down again is not realistic. Time to mandate and enforce them, which is hard to say, but better than endangering people and hurting our country with more lockdowns.

 

[GoofGoof]

Again, I have not seen any medical research stating that young people have a natural immunity, only that young, healthy people do not seem to get as sick. But again, schools closed, so they have been at home. I'm interested in seeing what happens when schools start to reopen, especially college dorms.

I had the same thought on colleges. So far several college campuses have already seen outbreaks due to football players being in town to practice in the summer. Imagine how it’s gonna get with all the students back in the fall (really August in a lot of cases) and living in dorms or houses together. I’ve seen some schools announce plans, but I’m skeptical they will be followed. I know if I was that age I probably would ignore “stupid rules” because I ignored “stupid rules“ all the time

 

[GoofGoof]

The risk of infectious complications from any virus is always elevated for those conditions, aren't they? I would think masks and distancing can still be our way through this. It's the best we can do when closing down again is not realistic. Time to mandate and enforce them, which is hard to say, but better than endangering people and hurting our country with more lockdowns.

I agree completely. There are others who feel we should have just “locked away“ the elderly and high risk people so everyone else can get the economy going and open everything with no restrictions. That plan fails miserably when 60%+ of the adult population is locked away. The economy can’t survive that.

 

[The Mom]

Well I read most of the new infections are among the youth and so far no big upturn in hospitalization or deaths as seen in the spring. I'm not saying this isn't a serious situation, just that there are few options or easy answers. Almost no deaths of healthy young people have occured. So humans have some sort of immunity.

It's not natural immunity, but just - in general - a healthier host that can withstand the infection better. Just as I can withstand an infection better than someone who is receiving cancer treatments, etc - I'm not immune.

Asymptomatic does not = not infected.

 

[jt04]

I agree completely. There are others who feel we should have just “locked away“ the elderly and high risk people so everyone else can get the economy going and open everything with no restrictions. That plan fails miserably when 60%+ of the adult population is locked away. The economy can’t survive that.

It has come to people making their best judgements. Most infections seem to be asymptomatic. So again that indicates natural immunity. But high risk people should take precautions as necessary. There are degrees of those at higher risk obviously.

 

[Prince-1]

Yet the specifically said today they weren’t ! I think this is wishful thinking on your part.

Again we will see what happens. As for your asinine comment about wishful thinking I personally could care less because I’m not going to Disney anytime this year. They could open next month or stay closed for another month or two and it affects me not.

 

[mickeymiss]

I agree completely. There are others who feel we should have just “locked away“ the elderly and high risk people so everyone else can get the economy going and open everything with no restrictions. That plan fails miserably when 60%+ of the adult population is locked away. The economy can’t survive that.

Indeed. Herd immunity has its merits when the disease is mild like a cold. Covid 19 is completely worth the inconvenience of a mask and some basic sacrifices. I just don't think those sacrifices need to crush our morale and economy. Masks *as well as* distancing is the way. Society needs to stop equating safe and responsible plans with recklessness.