Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

A pretty good report that essentially proves many of the beliefs that masks aren’t the solution, and we aren’t all going to die. Barely anyone is dying just from Covid, especially if you are less than 80.

Covid 19âââWhat the Data Tells Us

The Punchline: We got it wrong and now we’re largely tracking it wrong...

medium.com

I clicked on your link just to get a laugh and the first line I see says:

Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[disneygeek90]

Like to see the science to back that up.

Breathing, talking and walking by people without a mask vs sitting on a bench by yourself away from others? Do you want a bar graph or will standard logic do?

 

[FullSailDan]

Interesting, which Home Depot? I went to the one on OBT on Monday and there was no one enforcing.

Kissimmee one, off 192 between thacker and dyer. There seem to be differences in enforcement measures between Osceola and Orange Co. I've noticed some businesses in Orange still haven't opened, yet mask utilization seems slightly lower? Again, its all very uneven, hence why I just do everything I can to not interact with people. I'm happy to have instacart and amazon deliveries left at the door. They suck at picking produce but oh well. I also am not really fond of the dining options around me anyways..... so not eating out doesn't really bother me!

I feel for the people though who are forced to go out because they cant afford the extra cost or need a critical item. My husband is a disabled veteran and requires several doctors appointments for medication refills etc. I absolutely refuse to expose him with a compromised immune system to a medical facility during this and the VA has thankfully provided virtual appointments and mailed prescriptions.

 

[GoofGoof]

Like to see the science to back that up.

It has nothing to do with science. It’s the rule that Disney has set. It’s a private business and they have the right to set their rules. It’s definitely the responsible thing to do to follow those rules.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Breathing, talking and walking by people without a mask vs sitting on a bench by yourself away from others? Do you want a bar graph or will standard logic do?

its like spreading cigarette smoke farther while walking than just by smoking in one designated area.

 

[GoofGoof]

Breathing, talking and walking by people without a mask vs sitting on a bench by yourself away from others? Do you want a bar graph or will standard logic do?

Definitely not the bar graph. You’ll be accused of hysterics

 

[DisneyCane]

People need to grow up. I’m sorry, but they need to strap on their big boy pants. Toddler acts out when they don’t get what they want. This isn’t directed at you, just the people you are talking about in the second paragraph.

We can agree to disagree on the phase 1 thing. I have serious doubts that the people who are refusing to follow rules now would all be willing to if they didn’t have stay at home orders. If anything they would be less likely to comply. Right now there’s at least the thought in the back of people’s minds that we could return to stay at home. That should be incentive enough to want to at least do the bare minimum to avoid that.

Agree with the first part completely. Also agree to disagree on the phase 1 stuff. Neither of us can ever know how people would be acting now if thinks were different back then.

The numbers are slightly better today. "Only" 5028 new cases in residents today vs. 5472 on Tuesday. It was also a record for test results in a day with over 57,000 new people tested (plus another 2,000 re-tests). New case positive rate was 8.72% which is still high but, if there wasn't a data dump of negative tests, would at least be low enough to indicate there were enough tests performed.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I have friends in a hot state who have said to me, “Jesus is my mask.” I’m a priest and I appreciate strong displays of faith, but that’s just not how this works.

wear masks. Socially distance. Wash your hands. Then you can do things. Don’t do that, and you can’t. It’s that simple.

Jesus is my figurative, spiritual mask. An actual mask is my literal, physical mask, though.

 

[mickeymiss]

It won’t. If you are sitting somewhere and you are 6 feet away from someone its not an issue. At DS they have some food vendors without tables so they wanted to accommodate them so they allowed people to walk around and eat or drink. Think ice cream cone or Starbucks drink or Wetzels pretzel. They just asked people not to fully remove the face covering but pull it down, take a bite or sip and replace it. Very simple concept. What they are trying to avoid are people who grab a coffee at rope drop to hold, put their mask in their pocket and then walk around all day without it using the coffee as the excuse why. They won’t have CMs following people around, but it’s fairly easy to see someone walking for a long distance without the mask and without eating or drinking. For example, a CM at the carousel sees a guy turn the corner where Philharmagic is with no mask on holding a Starbucks cup. If he gets past the carousel without taking any sips the CM should step in and ask him to put the mask on. If you are sitting on a bench sipping on a bottle of water I doubt anyone will say anything.

This is why I’ll move heaven and earth to eat or drink somewhere quiet. They may say it doesn’t spread from surfaces but I won’t be touching my mask over and over while eating. I get what you’re saying though and I wouldn’t personally walk around to eat. It does defeat the purpose of the mask rule. I hope some good data comes out that being outdoors is safe without a mask but until then...we accept the rules.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

A great and sobering article. I know we all love and care about Disney on this forum, but this shows what an unbelievable national disaster we are in. All 50 states are in danger, and we all need to come together. There has to be a point where the politicized aspect goes away, right?? (I pray that it does)

How the Virus Won (Published 2021)

Invisible outbreaks sprang up everywhere. The United States ignored the warning signs. We reconstructed how the epidemic spun out of control.

www.nytimes.com

Now, sadly? No I don't think this polarization is going away and it's truly pathetic. But I knew this was how it was going to go. This is who we are now.

 

[coasterphil]

It won’t. If you are sitting somewhere and you are 6 feet away from someone its not an issue. At DS they have some food vendors without tables so they wanted to accommodate them so they allowed people to walk around and eat or drink. Think ice cream cone or Starbucks drink or Wetzels pretzel. They just asked people not to fully remove the face covering but pull it down, take a bite or sip and replace it. Very simple concept. What they are trying to avoid are people who grab a coffee at rope drop to hold, put their mask in their pocket and then walk around all day without it using the coffee as the excuse why. They won’t have CMs following people around, but it’s fairly easy to see someone walking for a long distance without the mask and without eating or drinking. For example, a CM at the carousel sees a guy turn the corner where Philharmagic is with no mask on holding a Starbucks cup. If he gets past the carousel without taking any sips the CM should step in and ask him to put the mask on. If you are sitting on a bench sipping on a bottle of water I doubt anyone will say anything.

Unfortunately Disney is not coming even close to this level of enforcement based on what I've seen at Springs during my visits so far. Other than the occasional manager, absolutely no one has enforced the mask rule beyond the entrance. On a recent Saturday night there were large groups of people with masks in their pockets, no F&B in hand, and no security/custodial/safety crew CMs said a word. In fairness, I don't think it's best for the Custodial CMs to be responsible, but what are the other two groups there for if not to enforce the rules? I'd put compliance that evening at 60-70%, which to me is unacceptable at a business that is mandating usage.

As for managers, some would walk right past people without a word. Other did stop to engage with guests that were not complying. I followed one that literally stopped every single guest without F&B in hand and she was very firm with guests, but she didn't say a word to folks that were carrying a drink around. If the most militant CM I've witnessed wasn't stopping people with a drink, I'd say enforcement of that "rule" is pretty much 0. Carrying a drink is absolutely going to be a get out of jail free card unless things change.

 

[Rider]

Study finds face masks prevented thousands of COVID-19 cases. Experts say you should keep wearing them.

Other research says universal face mask use could reduce the death toll from COVID-19 in the U.S. by 33,000.

www.wesh.com

The study, published in the journal Health Affairs, estimates between 230,000 and 450,000 COVID-19 cases were prevented in states that required face masks between April 8 and May 15.

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Researchers from the University of Washington say universal face mask use could reduce the death toll from COVID-19 by 33,000.

The university's latest projection says more than 179,000 Americans will die from coronavirus by Oct. 1.

"For pretty much every state that we've looked at, if we can get people to wear masks, we can not only save lives, but I sort of think of it as we can also save the economy because we can keep business going," said Dr. Chris Murray of the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

 

[Bob Harlem]

California's seeing a similar spike, with more strict closures than Florida, at this point, added 7,149 new cases (Florida 5028) and they were closed and had stricter rules than Florida. At this point having things open with strict requirements is probably better than trying to close (and many just ignoring it without ANY precautions).

 

[Hawg G]

New numbers out -

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The key to these numbers is the fine print saying the % positive is only those who hadn’t tested positive before. Meaning the % positivity number is completely worthless. The 6/24 data clearly includes a lot of retests.

There is no reason for them to not be reporting tests of new people, and the positive %. It’s hard to believe anything when the numbers reported are clearly ones meant to confuse. Just as in the report I posted that said the CDC is no longer attaching tests to the date taken, so a day can surge from tests administered weeks ago.

 

[Horizons '83]

A pretty good report that essentially proves many of the beliefs that masks aren’t the solution, and we aren’t all going to die. Barely anyone is dying just from Covid, especially if you are less than 80.

Covid 19âââWhat the Data Tells Us

The Punchline: We got it wrong and now we’re largely tracking it wrong...

medium.com

Masks aren't the solution, they are part of it, that is fact. Had Covid not existed, those with underlying conditions wouldn't have died, so while not a direct covid death, covid is the reason for the death. Make sense?

 

[mickeymiss]

A great and sobering article. I know we all love and care about Disney on this forum, but this shows what an unbelievable national disaster we are in. All 50 states are in danger, and we all need to come together. There has to be a point where the politicized aspect goes away, right?? (I pray that it does)

How the Virus Won (Published 2021)

Invisible outbreaks sprang up everywhere. The United States ignored the warning signs. We reconstructed how the epidemic spun out of control.

www.nytimes.com

What are your objections to Disney’s opening plan? Is there something you feel they are missing? I actually agree that some places are going to have to rethink their plans where the level of prolonged close contact is high but Disney has a near flawless arrangement. Largely outside, naturally minimal close contact with people, significant capacity limits, masks, temp checks, designated spots to stand, etc.

 

[Jrb1979]

One thing with Fauci is that he doesn’t understand the ramifications of opening and closing and opening and closing businesses. Plus I believe he said we shouldn’t need to lock down again before or shortly after the protests took hold. Now it’s gonna look awfully inconsistent to tell a shopping mall to close while throngs of people fill the streets a few blocks away.

I was all in for the stay home orders in a March. Flatten that curve. It just has become clear to me that we crossed over the threshold of being able to do that again. Our country is so divided and morale is so low. Even the people we want to protect the most are wanting be with loved ones.

NO ONE IS SAYING TO LOCKDOWN AGAIN. HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID.

What most want is that when cases surge like is happening in Florida and Texas is instead of full steam ahead you pull back a bit. Instead of rushing to stage 3 you either stay at stage 2 or may have to drop somethings to phase 1. Maybe drop bar and restaurant capacity, make masks mandatory. I don't see the issue with doing that.

 

[GoofGoof]

California's seeing a similar spike, with more strict closures than Florida, at this point, added 7,149 new cases (Florida 5028) and they were closed and had stricter rules than Florida. At this point having things open with strict requirements is probably better than trying to close (and many just ignoring it without ANY precautions).

CA population is nearly double FL so while the spike is still substantial it’s less per capita than FL. CA also did not have a mask rule statewide until last week.

 

[disneygeek90]

California's seeing a similar spike, with more strict closures than Florida, at this point, added 7,149 new cases (Florida 5028) and they were closed and had stricter rules than Florida. At this point having things open with strict requirements is probably better than trying to close (and many just ignoring it without ANY precautions).

California also has nearly doubled the population of Florida.

 

[kong1802]

NO ONE IS SAYING TO LOCKDOWN AGAIN. HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID.

What most want is that when cases surge like is happening in Florida and Texas is instead of full steam ahead you pull back a bit. Instead of rushing to stage 3 you either stay at stage 2 or may have to drop somethings to phase 1. Maybe drop bar and restaurant capacity, make masks mandatory. I don't see the issue with doing that.

What is the aversion to making masks mandatory?

Spikes are happening, would there be a pushback?

No one wants a lockdown again. Well maybe some do, but the majority do not. Please make people wear a mask. I don't see the issue with that.