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beertiki
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Here in Key West -
Opened bars and restaurants. We went to a few. No masks, not much social distancing. Then we allowed tourists back to the Keys. Lots of people came from Miami. Bars were very crowded. We decided not to go to bars and restaurants. Lots of photos of very crowded bars. 3 bars now with Covid positive employees, shutting down. The Keys had more positive cases in 3 weeks, than the past 3 months. Lots of incidents with people refusing to wear masks, and being aggressive.
If Disney opens next month, they can expect much of what has happened here. There will be multiple positive cases at several locations with cast members. There is a large segment of the population that does not want to wear a mask, and a small percentage of them will get very vocal and abusive to any cast member who tells them they need one.
We are going to stock up on food and beer again. Back to more strict social distancing for us.
Opened bars and restaurants. We went to a few. No masks, not much social distancing. Then we allowed tourists back to the Keys. Lots of people came from Miami. Bars were very crowded. We decided not to go to bars and restaurants. Lots of photos of very crowded bars. 3 bars now with Covid positive employees, shutting down. The Keys had more positive cases in 3 weeks, than the past 3 months. Lots of incidents with people refusing to wear masks, and being aggressive.
If Disney opens next month, they can expect much of what has happened here. There will be multiple positive cases at several locations with cast members. There is a large segment of the population that does not want to wear a mask, and a small percentage of them will get very vocal and abusive to any cast member who tells them they need one.
We are going to stock up on food and beer again. Back to more strict social distancing for us.
Horizons '83
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Has anyone here had the sad realization that maybe you were never really social to begin with? I miss Disney and concerts but really, I guess I am not really otherwise 
mickeymiss
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Bingo. We should have gone with the cautious opening strategy in March or at least April. Shutting down had an immediate detrimental effect. Walmart being open all along was a perfect example of how arbitrary a lot of it all was.
Walmart is a large store that technically sells essentials but is almost always a supplementary grocery store. I’ve never seen a Walmart where there isn’t also a grocery store. Did Walmart have to be open? Walmart was always busy too. Always. They did require masks and compliance varied. That massive store remaining open proved rather quickly that any retail store could be safely open. Many small stores in my area crumbled while big box stores thrived. Small businesses could have done the same mask rules and survived.
I wish more people would just follow the rules for now and make this easier but we’ve seen that there’s no perfect strategy. There never was. We were repeatedly told that covid would be waiting for us whenever we opened. That seems to be true. The key is that most of us can be spared by using precautions and that we strive to make sure hospitals maintain their resources.
I think the median age dropping in Florida indicates that at risk people are protecting themselves and hopefully very very few serious cases result from younger people catching it.
Heppenheimer
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Fairly or unfairly, this is how Floridians look to the world right now:
www.bbc.com
Its going to be an uphill battle to regain the world's trust enough to visit your state in the near future.
'They want to throw God's wonderful breathing system out'
Before a vote on wearing of masks in public, Palm Beach commissioners were harangued by residents.
www.bbc.com
Its going to be an uphill battle to regain the world's trust enough to visit your state in the near future.
mickeymiss
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How so? Disney is doing things so differently than the bars you describe. Employees will have only brief socially distanced encounters with people which is low risk begin with on top of the extra precautions. Employees must answer health questions and submit to temperature screenings every day. We have seen no evidence directly linking cases to Universal or even DS for that matter. There was an unconfirmed rumor about one DS restaurant that fizzled out. My strong feeling based on observation is that even an asymptomatic person is highly unlikely to spread it with a mask on and in an environment where people aren’t closely gathering. I think it bodes well for places like Disney if the protests aren’t leading to surges. That is the perfect example to use that both outdoor exposure and masks work.
Kingoglow
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Two things I will add.
1) Your paycheck is not worth one single human life. We need to go back to essential personnel only or at least back to Phase 1 of the reopening.
2) The world's addiction to alcohol will be our downfall. It is evident that there is a problem when people's first thought is to rush out to bars.
1) Your paycheck is not worth one single human life. We need to go back to essential personnel only or at least back to Phase 1 of the reopening.
2) The world's addiction to alcohol will be our downfall. It is evident that there is a problem when people's first thought is to rush out to bars.
halltd
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I always wonder how Florida can be the center of taking humans into space and also people like that. Sigh.Fairly or unfairly, this is how Floridians look to the world right now:
'They want to throw God's wonderful breathing system out'
Before a vote on wearing of masks in public, Palm Beach commissioners were harangued by residents.
Its going to be an uphill battle to regain the world's trust enough to visit your state in the near future.
Heppenheimer
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We in the health profession haven't stopped promoting healthy lifestyles, but people are no more likely to follow that advice now than they were before. In fact, a not insignificant number of my patients report back-sliding on their diet and activity level because of the virus.
But the immediate, pressing goal now is slowing the spread of the virus. Healthy living is something that should be there all the time, but this alone is not enough right now.
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GoofGoof
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People need to grow up. I’m sorry, but they need to strap on their big boy pants. Toddler acts out when they don’t get what they want. This isn’t directed at you, just the people you are talking about in the second paragraph.
We can agree to disagree on the phase 1 thing. I have serious doubts that the people who are refusing to follow rules now would all be willing to if they didn’t have stay at home orders. If anything they would be less likely to comply. Right now there’s at least the thought in the back of people’s minds that we could return to stay at home. That should be incentive enough to want to at least do the bare minimum to avoid that.
mickeymiss
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What if a lack of paycheck leads to starvation and serious mental illness? There are multiple life threatening issues at play. Making a choice for yourself to go out or not carries a risk but it always has. People transmit serious infections that kill people all the time. Is that a reason to shut down? I have OCD and voluntarily stay home a lot during flu season. I don’t catch the flu. I don’t feel like making people live in despair or financial ruin is the answer. High risk people can and should stay home if they want to. Businesses can and should do EVERYTHING in their power to promote safety. I’m tired of asking essential workers to bear the brunt of this. My dad worked at a printing company that was considered essential and would have had to work making college pamphlets. It’s completely arbitrary. He has multiple conditions and is thankfully retired. To say only they have to fight this fight while we rely on them is making me sad. I feel like everyone can do this in a safe way. I know nobody agrees but it’s how I feel.
GoofGoof
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Is anyone really saying they want to continue stay at home orders indefinitely?
mickeymiss
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Some want to go back to that long term. It’s not an option.
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GoofGoof
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I agree with the bold part 100%. I also agree it’s possible for most of the economy to be open and people to get back to work in a safe manner. Win/win. I do think there’s a small portion of the economy that probably can’t be open at this time.
One other thing to point out, banks are flush with cash and so is the stock market whIle the travel industry, restaurants and entertainment companies are still suffering massive losses. You know what that points to?
The wealthiest amongst us are listening to the experts, due to the fact that they are more educated (and thus understand the science better) and because they can afford to stay at home. If you won’t trust scientists look to the rich and celebrities, they are for the most part staying home.
Perhaps we should focus our efforts on supporting people who can’t afford to stay at home and focus our efforts on beating this virus.
The wealthiest amongst us are listening to the experts, due to the fact that they are more educated (and thus understand the science better) and because they can afford to stay at home. If you won’t trust scientists look to the rich and celebrities, they are for the most part staying home.
Perhaps we should focus our efforts on supporting people who can’t afford to stay at home and focus our efforts on beating this virus.
GoofGoof
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It is not an option. It doesn’t have to be black and white. There’s a ton of grey area between long term stay at home and full open of everything with limited or no restrictions.
DisneyDebRob
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Was just getting ready to reply to the same post and saw yours.
I haven’t seen one post, unless i missed it, that people are saying go back to lockdowns. Seems most on here are in 2 camps. Open most things up and have masks and social distancing in place, or the other side, states that are increasing, let’s pull back a little to a prior phase, use masks and social distancing until we can get it under control. Of course there are a few, very few that take the extremes on both sides.. shut everything down or open everything up. But they are very few.
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