Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

How many states are open in the same capacity as Florida? It can’t just be Florida that opened bars. It seems strange that the media picked on Florida so much back when they didn’t really have a problem like this but now they are the only ones with a problem on this scale? I guess California is rising but there’s an interesting silence about California for SOME media outlets. California has been locked down more than most states. Why do we think protests wouldn’t be a likely link to cases there? Why are people so quick to blame beaches over crowds of over a thousand in the street? California had and continues to have some of the biggest protest turn outs in the country. I don’t live in Florida so I haven’t heard much about what they think caused the spike in Florida. If they were doing okay a few weeks ago, who had the disease and was suddenly able to get it moving around that quickly? Mask compliance in Florida has always been lower. It was really just the bars contributing to this?

There are 7 states with daily new case counts over 1000: Texas, Florida, California, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina. A few more states are in the 900+ case range: Ohio, Alabama and Tennessee.

California may be a "protest" state, as well as the Atlanta area (Georgia). The rest are states that have reopened. California's cases are highest within the Hispanic / Latino demographic, not African-Americans or White who are the demos most likely to have been protesting. So while protesting might have an effect on CA's numbers, it is also plausible that their spikes are due to family gatherings without social distancing / mask usage.

 

[esskay]

10 hours of that isn’t what it looks like anymore though. More like this:
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Super poor comparison there.

Universal is dead because WDW hasn't reopened yet. Once everythings open again it'll be significantly busier than that.

 

[GoofGoof]

He meant that if people would just follow the guidelines we shouldn't need to go into lock down again. It's like when I tell the kids I shouldn't need to ground you again all you need to do is be home at the agreed to time and take out the flingin flangin garbage on Tuesday nite.

This exactly.

Some of the same people screaming the loudest that we can’t lock down again are the same people who oppose masks and don’t see a problem with packed bars and other obvious issues. We don’t need a full lock down again (that would be truly tragic for the economy), but we also cannot pretend the virus is no big deal and just go back to full life without Covid. It’s pretty easy to get something like 90% of the way back to normal with some easy to implement changes And a little bit of discipline. Nobody prefers to wear a mask or physical distance, but it’s a means to an end. Most of the economy can be open, most of the workers can return to their jobs. Instead you have people who want to argue political talking points and refuse to make any changes because they don’t feel like it.

 

[lilypgirl]

Fauci said we shouldn’t need to lock down again. I wonder what he meant by that. He’s the scientist we are meant to listen to. I think we have reached the point of needing to balance the risk with common sense precautions. Open safely. I don’t know what most of us are wanting to see happen. Do y’all support lockdowns again? If we do that again, everyone has to abide by it. There can be no exceptions. We also need to understand that it will harm us all in other ways to shutter our businesses once again and further feed the mental distress of citizens. Elderly people are our most precious priority but many of them don’t want to be isolated like this. It’s very sad.

I am sure the wdwmagic scientist will begin their campaign to discredit him now. For me I didn’t really trust him at the beginning and still don’t. Everyone has an agenda and all most everyone can be bought for the right price. This ridiculous notion that we most trust everything all the time is dangerous. Questioning those in the know doesn’t mean we think this virus is a hoax or a scam and yet another ridiculous idea being pushed by several posters on here.

 

[disneygeek90]

Super poor comparison there.

Universal is dead because WDW hasn't reopened yet. Once everythings open again it'll be significantly busier than that.

That is quite literally the only comparison we can make at the moment. Looking at the parks from February doesn’t matter anymore. If capacity is held to their limit then it should feel relatively similar even if WDW brings in more people.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I am sure the wdwmagic scientist will begin their campaign to discredit him now. For me I didn’t really trust him at the beginning and still don’t. Everyone has an agenda and all most everyone can be bought for the right price. This ridiculous notion that we most trust everything all the time is dangerous. Questioning those in the know doesn’t mean we think this virus is a hoax or a scam and yet another ridiculous idea being pushed by several posters on here.

And that agenda is...?

 

[MrHappy]

If you think the media is biased, stop consuming it and go stare at the data. There’s a number of sites you can visit.

 

[Andrew C]

To state the man doesn't understand what closing a business does to an economy is to say the man is stupid.

It is despicable. Truly.

Why they dislike someone who is working to help us all is beyond me........

He himself stated his job was not to provide economic advise but to provide the best advise as it relates to his area of expertise. He admitted he has essentially one consideration while the decision makers have to base choices off multiple components. I don’t doubt his good intentions and I think he has done the best he could have considering what we are dealing with. I fully supported the early mitigation efforts and I fully support his calls to keep up with social distancing practices. But it is important to note that every expert has limitations based on their expertise. Not a knock on him but the reality.

 

[lilypgirl]

And that agenda is...?

You obviously missed the EVERYONE part

 

[lewisc]

Super poor comparison there.

Universal is dead because WDW hasn't reopened yet. Once everythings open again it'll be significantly busier than that.

Or Universal is dead because guests are concerned, if true suggests Disney will have fewer guests then posters on Disney fan sites expect

 

[Horizons '83]

I'm guessing the ship has sailed on trying to keep this thread about Covid as it pertains to Disney?

 

[GoofGoof]

How many states are open in the same capacity as Florida? It can’t just be Florida that opened bars. It seems strange that the media picked on Florida so much back when they didn’t really have a problem like this but now they are the only ones with a problem on this scale? I guess California is rising but there’s an interesting silence about California for SOME media outlets. California has been locked down more than most states. Why do we think protests wouldn’t be a likely link to cases there? Why are people so quick to blame beaches over crowds of over a thousand in the street? California had and continues to have some of the biggest protest turn outs in the country. I don’t live in Florida so I haven’t heard much about what they think caused the spike in Florida. If they were doing okay a few weeks ago, who had the disease and was suddenly able to get it moving around that quickly? Mask compliance in Florida has always been lower. It was really just the bars contributing to this?

I don’t know about every single state but FL and TX in particular opened bars with little or no social distancing occurring. I know that because of a personal connection to those states. I know from people on the ground that the scene at some places in the Houston area was similar to parts of FL with bars packed, no masks and no attempt at physical distancing. In PA where I live they opened bars with capacity limits that includes a requirement to seat groups 6 feet apart (including the bar itself) and tables spaced 6 feet apart with no standing room only sections like a packed dance floor. You wear a mask into the bar or restaurant and only remove it when seated. Workers all wear masks. Cases are not skyrocketing like FL and TX. So while other states opened bars too at least some of them are following more strict requirements. It’s not business as usual, but you can get a few drinks and a meal at least. Probably not the greatest party scene ever, but better than going back to lock downs.

On the CA issue, they have a very large population. So while cases are rising, on a per capita basis it’s not as bad as just looking at the raw numbers. When NY/NJ/CT issued their travel ban which is based on the number of cases per 100K people there were 8 or 9 states included in that ban, but CA was not on the list because their cases per 100K were below the threshold. CA also did not have a statewide mask policy. They do now, but only after the recent spike in cases. It’s pretty consistent that the states that re-opened with mask rules and real social distancing that is actually being followed the new cases are steady or declining. In most of the states with a spike in cases there are no or limited mask requirements or social distancing.

The protests may be adding to spikes in cases, but it doesn’t seem like it is across the board. Many of the states with large protests in the NE and even Minn are either steady or declining so it can’t be protests alone. It may be partially due to the fact that in those NE states more people wore masks to protests due to the overall More frequent use of masks. People are so used to wearing them in normal life now maybe they were more likely to wear them at the protests too. Obviously not everyone but maybe it was more consistent.

 

[Miss Bella]

To those of you that think we should all stay isolated in our homes have a plan to keep the economy from collapsing. The walking dead was a great show back in the day, but I have no desire to live like that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You obviously missed the EVERYONE part

No, but if his agenda is so problematic and a reason to not be trusted then it should be something that is easily and accurately described.

 

[mwf5555]

If (and at this point I think it’s a pretty big “if”) WDW’s opening gets pushed, it would have to be the company’s call. Orange County has already said they are staying out of it, and there is no way DeSantis would ever try to stop them.

While they have already proven that they are willing to sort of do their own thing, I don’t see a world where WDW doesn’t reopen while Universal and SeaWorld continue to operate. There is already an “acceptable standard” for operating parks in Orlando, and that doesn’t seem to be going away.

That said, the point at which this really becomes irreversible is next week when parks CM’s start getting called back to work in order to gear up for operations.

Standard? with Covid? nothing is irreversible...

 

[Andrew C]

I don’t know about every single state but FL and TX in particular opened bars with little or no social distancing occurring.

Well. It wasn’t supposed to be a free for all. They were supposed to follow the capacity and social distancing guidelines of the state. Some didn’t. And some were closed by the state because of that.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well. It wasn’t supposed to be a free for all. They were supposed to follow the capacity and social distancing guidelines of the state. Some didn’t. And some were closed by the state because of that.

For sure. You can only blame the government leaders to an extent. People need to take responsibility for their actions. It seems like at least in TX the mayors and even the governor are coming out strongly opposed to the rule breakers. Not so much in some other states.

 

[DisneyCane]

This exactly.

Some of the same people screaming the loudest that we can’t lock down again are the same people who oppose masks and don’t see a problem with packed bars and other obvious issues. We don’t need a full lock down again (that would be truly tragic for the economy), but we also cannot pretend the virus is no big deal and just go back to full life without Covid. It’s pretty easy to get something like 90% of the way back to normal with some easy to implement changes And a little bit of discipline. Nobody prefers to wear a mask or physical distance, but it’s a means to an end. Most of the economy can be open, most of the workers can return to their jobs. Instead you have people who want to argue political talking points and refuse to make any changes because they don’t feel like it.

I personally believe that "Phase 1" should have been what was done from the beginning and it would have led to better long term compliance with guidelines. Doing the lockdowns (aka "safer at home orders") created a level of animosity towards the guidelines. The vast majority would have found social distancing, sanitation and mask requirements to be reasonable back in March. They would have seen that life could have been somewhat normal while taking actions to slow the spread.

The shutdown strategy caused a backlash against the guidelines. As places reopen, there are people that just want to "act out," hence the mask battles, etc. Unfortunately, the ship has sailed and we are where we are. Now some people need to be convinced to follow the guidelines. There is no way to legally enforce guidelines in private homes so the population needs to want to comply.

 

[3BratsToDisney]

I don't understand the need for the passive/aggressive/condescending tones and insults to anyone who disagrees with what your saying on here. Are we in high school?

But aside from that, I really do hope people start to pay attention. I'll say it again - self accountability. Protect yourself, your loved ones, do the right thing wear the darn mask, wash your hands, social distance and all the other guidelines set out there. But most of all take care of your personal health! Take this pandemic and turn it into a positive for yourself...start to exercise, try to eat healthier - it's not easy but small steps will be in your favor. I really do not understand why those in charge are not promoting this along with the safey measures. This should be drilled into people's heads. Healthy people have better odds.

As far as closing down again...I don't know if we can even go back to that. It would be very difficult to convince people to lockdown if you still have thousands running rampant on the streets doing whatever they feel like. It seems we are approaching a crossroad.

 

[kong1802]

He himself stated his job was not to provide economic advise but to provide the best advise as it relates to his area of expertise. He admitted he has essentially one consideration while the decision makers have to base choices off multiple components. I don’t doubt his good intentions and I think he has done the best he could have considering what we are dealing with. I fully supported the early mitigation efforts and I fully support his calls to keep up with social distancing practices. But it is important to note that every expert has limitations based on their expertise. Not a knock on him but the reality.

That's 100% true.

But saying he isn't an economist is different than stating he doesn't understand the relationship between a business being open and the effects that would have on an economy....