Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

Media outlets reporting 3200 for yesterday but the PDF shows this
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It is curious why the numbers are not matching up with the press releases the DOH is sending out, vs the data they are putting on the dashboard. Here is the some of the other data.

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I don't get either why the media, worldometers.info, etc. are reporting lower numbers than the state numbers. Worldometers.info arrives at the same total so it doesn't make sense to be off on a daily basis. First I thought maybe they used a different day rollover time (EDT vs. GMT or something) but the numbers should average to be the same if that was the case. At least the conspiracy theorists saying the state is hiding data can calm down since the state is reporting higher numbers.

I think what local officials in Orlando are concerned the most about is multigenerational housing where young people are coming and going around older/at risk family members. Hopefully they take this as a wake up call to stop pack themselves so much in bars and other areas. The mask mandate should have a measure of helpful effect as well in Orange county, the central FL economy needs to be able to continue to at this point as it is struggling hard right now.

Masks won't help in bars because most of the reason to be in a bar is to drink. I hope that the young people who live in multigenerational homes or regularly come into contact with older people are avoiding non-social distanced situations.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Totally agree, if they do pack in bars at least don't go visit grandma

How about just not pack in bars?

 

[DisneyCane]

Exactly the kind of thing I was afraid of:

Whether or not this is true, if Disney wants to enforce the mask rule beyond just "friendly reminders," they need dedicated people that wear face shields and other PPE.

 

[disneygeek90]

Masks won't help in bars because most of the reason to be in a bar is to drink. I hope that the young people who live in multigenerational homes or regularly come into contact with older people are avoiding non-social distanced situations.

One of the violations for the Knight's Pub: "Patrons were again being served alcoholic beverages while not being seated for service and appropriate social distancing measures were not being enforced."

They shouldn't be operating like they had been pre-covid. They need to be sitting at a table instead of, what I assume, standing around and crowding at the bar.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Well you have three options. Ignore it. Reply to it. Or report it if it is political, trolling, or a personal attack.

Been doing a little of all 3.

 

[legwand77]

How about just not pack in bars?

Sure, but the reality is if not bars it will be somewhere else.

*not saying they should pack into bars

 

[Jrb1979]

To solve th bar and restaurant issue they should have done what is done where I live. Restaurants and bars are open but only patios. The virus spreads much easier indoors regardless of staying 6 ft apart. It would do a lot to cut down on the rising numbers.

 

[mickeymiss]

Disney needs to hire specific people to enforce the mask rules. CM’s shouldn’t have to be the ones dealing with that. Nobody deserves to be dealing with nasty people but certain jobs are equipped for rule enforcement. I also think bars need to figure out some better strategies since social distancing is not practical in that setting. It’s summer. Maybe they can serve outside if they can? I don’t know anymore.

 

[Rider]

Europe looks likely to be banning Americans from travel. I think it is likely if that decision is confirmed the US will continue to ban visitors from Europe.

E.U. May Bar American Travelers as It Reopens Borders, Citing Failures on Virus (Published 2020)

European Union officials are racing to agree on who can visit the bloc as of July 1 based on how countries of origin are faring with new coronavirus cases. Americans, so far, are excluded, according to draft lists seen by The New York Times.

www.nytimes.com

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Europe looks likely to be banning Americans from travel. I think it is likely if that decision is confirmed the US will continue to ban visitors from Europe.

E.U. May Bar American Travelers as It Reopens Borders, Citing Failures on Virus (Published 2020)

European Union officials are racing to agree on who can visit the bloc as of July 1 based on how countries of origin are faring with new coronavirus cases. Americans, so far, are excluded, according to draft lists seen by The New York Times.

www.nytimes.com

I would ban us too

 

[legwand77]

Disney needs to hire specific people to enforce the mask rules. CM’s shouldn’t have to be the ones dealing with that. Nobody deserves to be dealing with nasty people but certain jobs are equipped for rule enforcement. I also think bars need to figure out some better strategies since social distancing is not practical in that setting. It’s summer. Maybe they can serve outside if they can? I don’t know anymore.

Enforcing the mask rules would be very problematic for Disney, both from a brand and liability standpoint. I imagine that will manage ok albeit not to everyone's standards, there will be bad things that happen like that incident. Bad things happened to CM's at Disney before Covid, CM's getting assaulted etc. Some reported some not. I would not be surprised if Disney tells the CM's to ease up on policing the masks.

 

[DisneyCane]

To solve th bar and restaurant issue they should have done what is done where I live. Restaurants and bars are open but only patios. The virus spreads much easier indoors regardless of staying 6 ft apart. It would do a lot to cut down on the rising numbers.

The temperature, humidity and frequent thunderstorms make patio only not very desirable in Florida this time of year. Also, what about restaurants that don't have patios in strip centers? Are they only allowed 1 or two tables on the sidewalk?

Also, the restaurants in Florida have had dine in at 50% capacity with 6 foot spacing since 5/18 or earlier (depending on county). The spike started somewhere around 6/10. There is not a three week lag from infection to cases. The average incubation period is around 5 days.

The recent differences that can line up with the spike are the protests and from a policy standpoint bars open and increased gathering size to 50.

 

[legwand77]

The temperature, humidity and frequent thunderstorms make patio only not very desirable in Florida this time of year. Also, what about restaurants that don't have patios in strip centers? Are they only allowed 1 or two tables on the sidewalk?

Also, the restaurants in Florida have had dine in at 50% capacity with 6 foot spacing since 5/18 or earlier (depending on county). The spike started somewhere around 6/10. There is not a three week lag from infection to cases. The average incubation period is around 5 days.

The recent differences that can line up with the spike are the protests and from a policy standpoint bars open and increased gathering size to 50.

To solve th bar and restaurant issue they should have done what is done where I live. Restaurants and bars are open but only patios. The virus spreads much easier indoors regardless of staying 6 ft apart. It would do a lot to cut down on the rising numbers.

The outdoor only model is not sustainable for restaurants, the 50% capacity is not much better, they can't operate for long like that either.

 

[networkpro]

Wouldn’t you say, though, that when it’s used as a pejorative, it doesn’t apply to “the media” of one’s own ideals?

Nope, I am referring to only the industry known as "The Media". There are plenty of the afflicted on street corners screaming their opinions to the wind.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Enforcing the mask rules would be very problematic for Disney, both from a brand and liability standpoint. I imagine that will manage ok albeit not to everyone's standards, there will be bad things that happen like that incident. Bad things happened to CM's at Disney before Covid, CM's getting assaulted etc. Some reported some not. I would not be surprised if Disney tells the CM's to ease up on policing the masks.

Why would it be a liability problem for them? They've made it perfectly clear that anyone visiting their property must wear a mask. If someone has a health issue that could be complicated by wearing a mask then they should stay home. It's not Disney's responsibility to know the medical history of everyone setting foot on their property and they would easily win a court case if someone tried to sue them because they passed out or something while wearing a mask.

 

[DisneyCane]

The outdoor only model is not sustainable for restaurants, the 50% capacity is not much better, they can't operate for long like that either.

Very true. As I posted somewhere, I was doing some work for an Italian Restaurant/Pizzaria and he told me that with all the stuff they've had to do for COVID, his YTD costs are 130% of last year and his dining room can only be at 40% due to the layout to keep the 6 foot spacing. Higher expenses and lower revenue potential are not a good combination for a business.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Another poster explained it already, TLDR version is a large majority of deaths are nursing home and in LTC facilities.

Source that that is a recent fact?

Cause only 5% of the elderly are in nursing homes.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Heppenheimer]

Why would it be a liability problem for them? They've made it perfectly clear that anyone visiting their property must wear a mask. If someone has a health issue that could be complicated by wearing a mask then they should stay home. It's not Disney's responsibility to know the medical history of everyone setting foot on their property and they would easily win a court case if someone tried to sue them because they passed out or something while wearing a mask.

Allow me to weigh in with my medical opinion, since that's what I'm trained and licensed to do for a living. Despite what some people might claim, there is almost no medical condition I can think of that would be a contra-indication to wearing a mask. Maybe if a person had a legitimate but extremely rare allergy to one of the components, but these masks are manufactured to minimize that possibility. Or maybe an open facial wound or infection would also be a legitimate reason why someone couldn't wear a mask.

Some people may have their anxiety provoked by wearing a mask, but that is not a reasonable exception to make for a voluntary activity like visiting Disney World in the time of a pandemic.

COPD is NOT a contra-indication, despite what I have seen claimed. Medical masks do not measurably restrict airflow, although they can subjectively increase the work of breathing. A person with COPD may also re-inhale a little more carbon dioxide while wearing a mask, but because they have a baseline higher risk of infection, a mask does much more good than harm.

 

[DisneyCane]

Allow me to weigh in with my medical opinion, since that's what I'm trained and licensed to do for a living. Despite what some people might claim, there is almost no medical condition I can think of that would be a contra-indication to wearing a mask. Maybe if a person had a legitimate but extremely rare allergy to one of the components, but these masks are manufactured to minimize that possibility.

Some people may have their anxiety provoked by wearing a mask, but that is not a reasonable exception to make for a voluntary activity like visiting Disney World in the time of a pandemic.

COPD is NOT a contra-indication, despite what I have seen claimed. Medical masks do not measurably restrict airflow, although they can subjectively increase the work of breathing. A person with COPD may also re-inhale a little more carbon dioxide while wearing a mask, but because they have a baseline higher risk of infection, a mask does much more good than harm.

I have heard the opposite from other physicians (you didn't specifically say if you were a physician) regarding people with certain pulmonary diseases. Also, for the wearer, a cloth or surgical mask is going very little to protect them so the risk to them is possibly higher of having complications of their disease vs. the low amount of protection offered to them by wearing a mask.

I agree with the voluntary aspect of going to WDW. If you don't want to wear a mask at WDW for whatever reason then don't go there while the policy exists.