Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Jrb1979

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The outdoor only model is not sustainable for restaurants, the 50% capacity is not much better, they can't operate for long like that either.
It would only be temporary til cases start going down. IMO what should be done is if cases start rising like they are, you pull back a bit. When they start dropping you start opening again. Instead it feels like many just want to go full steam ahead. What happened to doing it safely?
 

legwand77

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Source that that is a recent fact?

Cause only 5% of the elderly are in nursing homes.
Yes, and around half of all Covid deaths to date are in nursing homes and LTC facilitities. One source is today's press conference from Desnatis. He led the press conference with that stat.

Here is a graphic too from cdc/state info as of June 19th.
 

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MisterPenguin

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Yes, and around half of all Covid deaths to date are in nursing homes and LTC facilitities. One source is today's press conference from Desnatis. He led the press conference with that stat.

So, it's people in nursing homes that are running out to get all that surge in testing done?
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Walmart near Universal and IDrive has closed for enhanced cleaning.


Maybe had some cases. Good practice to close for a day to deep clean and then reopen.
 

Heppenheimer

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I have heard the opposite from other physicians (you didn't specifically say if you were a physician) regarding people with certain pulmonary diseases. Also, for the wearer, a cloth or surgical mask is going very little to protect them so the risk to them is possibly higher of having complications of their disease vs. the low amount of protection offered to them by wearing a mask.

I agree with the voluntary aspect of going to WDW. If you don't want to wear a mask at WDW for whatever reason then don't go there while the policy exists.
The implication of the mask is that someone with COPD is more likely to be a carrier and spreader.

We discussed the issue of COPD , restrictive pulmonary disease, and masks at our monthly hospital meeting (which has been over video lately). Our pulmonologist weighed in, and there is very little reason to make exceptions in these cases. We could not find any studies or case reports indicating a negative pulmonary outcome from wearing a mask. Only letters to the editors of various journals mentioning a theoretical risk. Actual hard evidence of harm seems to be non-existant.

The downsides all seem to be behavioral, such as giving people a false sense of security and ignoring other important measures, or causing them to rub their eyes more often.
 
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DisneyCane

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So, it's people in nursing homes that are running out to get all that surge in testing done?

No. Well, sort of since they are testing them more frequently and testing all staff at least every two weeks. The point is that the DEATHS are over half from nursing home residents while the recent spike in CASES is over half people under 34, who, by and large, don't die from it.
 

legwand77

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So, it's people in nursing homes that are running out to get all that surge in testing done?

Well yes, obviously not going out, but every resident and staff of LTC and nursing homes have been tested or offered tests and going forward will test or be offered a test every two weeks. they have not contributed to the positive testing rates, that is shown by the average age drop.

ETA: oops I see disneycane already addressed it
 

lazyboy97o

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The implication of the mask is that someone with COPD is more likely to be a carrier.

We discussed the issue of COPD , restrictive pulmonary disease, and masks at our monthly hospital meeting (which has been over video lately). Our pulmonologist weighed in, and there is very little reason to make exceptions in these cases. We could not find any studies or case reports indicating a negative pulmonary outcome from wearing a mask. Only letters to the editors of various journals mentioning a theoretical risk. Actual hard evidence of harm seems to be non-existant.
It seems to me that we would at least have some good anecdotal evidence if this were a problem. I was recently in the hospital with someone and all patients were wearing masks. It seems like somebody would notice that blood oxygen levels are lower than they should be if these masks were causing problems or even dangerous as some are trying to claim. At least since 2008 every healthcare facility I have been to has required masks for persons with cold or flu-like symptoms so it seems like that past experience would also have some influence if there were legitimate concerns.
 

legwand77

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Maybe had some cases. Good practice to close for a day to deep clean and then reopen.

Cleaning is good but as asymptomatic cases become more prevalent, shutting down and cleaning will not be done as much, cost will be way too high to operate. Store and restaurants will close and some permanently.

on the opinion side it is crazy business are doing this or having to do this when it was never done if an employee or customer came it flu or pneumonia, even if they were symptomatic, fever etc. When for a large majority of customers Covid is less dangerous .
 
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legwand77

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I gather from you and the ones that share your thinking is that we should keep full steam ahead and let what happens happens? IMO the next phase of opening shouldn't happen til numbers go down.
As I have said before, no not full steam ahead at all. Move forward using the science and data that we are learning, and not make decisions on emotions and panic. We are generally moving that way, perhaps a bit slower than could be, but understandable the entire was freaked out for the past few months, it will take a while but we will get there.
 

GoofGoof

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Wow 10% positive rate for that day and a few others? That’s shocking to me. One stat I took solace in was that it was around 5...That’s a scary trend I hope does not continue.
Percent positive average over the past 7 days is over 10%. Not a good trend. A day or two can be volatility in reporting and testing but when the weekly averages start moving like that it is more likely the start of a trend. Remember that back in the beginning of May the gateway to start moving into phase 1 of re-opening was getting percent positive under 10% for a 14 day period. Not saying it’s time to talk about a full pull back, but people need to start taking the situation a little more serious.
 

GoofGoof

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Whether or not this is true, if Disney wants to enforce the mask rule beyond just "friendly reminders," they need dedicated people that wear face shields and other PPE.
At this point what are we really doing here? If they need a specially equipped enforcement brigade I think it’s time to reconsider the whole opening. If people can’t get it together and just follow some simple rules than shut it down. Sad, but do people really want to see security forces roaming the parks for enforcement? At what point is the magic just dead?
 

tallica

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Don't you realize as long as hospitals are not getting overwhelmed it does not matter how many new cases there are. The purpose of the shutdown to was flatten the curve in order to reduce the burden on the healthcare system. We did that, as long as there is not huge surge of severe icu covid cases, new covid positive numbers don't matter. Actually increased numbers of mild infections might be a good thing in reaching herd immunity. That is with the assumption that death rates stay flat.
 

legwand77

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At this point what are we really doing here? If they need a specially equipped enforcement brigade I think it’s time to reconsider the whole opening. If people can’t get it together and just follow some simple rules than shut it down. Sad, but do people really want to see security forces roaming the parks for enforcement? At what point is the magic just dead?
That is exactly why they will not enforce it very much, maybe less now and in any real sense in my opinion don't need to enforce it that much, especially with all the other things they are doing.
 

GoofGoof

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Don't you realize as long as hospitals are not getting overwhelmed it does not matter how many new cases there are. The purpose of the shutdown to was flatten the curve in order to reduce the burden on the healthcare system. We did that, as long as there is not huge surge of severe icu covid cases, new covid positive numbers don't matter. Actually increased numbers of mild infections might be a good thing in reaching herd immunity. That is with the assumption that death rates stay flat.
The only issue with this thinking is both hospitalization and death rate are lagging statistics. Look back in March in the hardest hit areas, the peak daily case and daily death days happened weeks after full stay at home orders were in place. I hope this isn’t the case, but a spike in cases today can end up with a surge in hospitalizations and even deaths a few weeks from now. Again, hopefully not the case, but it’s a worry for sure. On herd immunity, it’s going to be while without a vaccine.
 

ppete1975

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At this point what are we really doing here? If they need a specially equipped enforcement brigade I think it’s time to reconsider the whole opening. If people can’t get it together and just follow some simple rules than shut it down. Sad, but do people really want to see security forces roaming the parks for enforcement? At what point is the magic just dead?
people need to grow up and be adults... i dont want to wear a mask waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. The solution is have your normal security and cast members enforce the policy, and if people just wont do it, escort them out. If everyone is wearing them, people will wear them. Once people see that person over there not wearing them they will stop and you have a domino effect. Remember we thought smoking was going to be an issue and it really wasnt.
Everyone keeps saying shut it down till it gets better.... youre assuming it will. There might not be a vaccine coming, we might be about to restart the whole thing if not worse. Do you really think your local bar, restaurant or theme park can survive that. Its time for people to act as adults social distance, wear masks wash your hands... its not hard... but anywhere i go.. i see none of it.
btw goofgoof, this was not directed at you but fit some of the things that i wanted to reply to. I think youre swell. :)
 

gmajew

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The only issue with this thinking is both hospitalization and death rate are lagging statistics. Look back in March in the hardest hit areas, the peak daily case and daily death days happened weeks after full stay at home orders were in place. I hope this isn’t the case, but a spike in cases today can end up with a surge in hospitalizations and even deaths a few weeks from now. Again, hopefully not the case, but it’s a worry for sure. On herd immunity, it’s going to be while without a vaccine.


That is the way the math has proven to work before and why the media is jumping on it right now. The fact that the median age of those being affected is under 40 should mean way way less deaths and ICU visits. If the facts we have been told are accurate. Unfortunately though everything we are being told is speculation at this point as we just dont know.

Just like the media flipping about Trumps rally but yet did not care about the marches the week before... They did care about the Ozark pool party... Which was outside and shows the spread happens even that way... So all of these things will affect the numbers going up! Opening up is going to increase the numbers.... That is the only fact that is true....

The good news in my eyes is what I said the average age of those getting it now are under 40m which means those that need to are takin git serious and not going back out yet.

So maybe maybe we get lucky and numbers dont increase
 
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