Kevin_W
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Not at all - I'm sorry that tone isn't easy to convey in text on the internet. I genuinely appreciated your post.
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Not at all - I'm sorry that tone isn't easy to convey in text on the internet. I genuinely appreciated your post.
Fair and valid point, but is social justice the only thing worth it enough to "take risks"?
Small business owners have been arrested for taking a risk to save their way of life i.e putting food on the table, paying their bills, keeping their home, etc. and were harshly criticized by many of the same people excusing the riots and protests (which have destroyed many small businesses) as "worth it".
DisneyDebRob
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Haven’t seen one article, one post or one comment saying the riots were ok or excusable.Source?
Tom P.
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Up until the protests began, it was taboo to suggest that there just might be things important enough to take the risk of COVID-19 transmission over. You were pretty much shouted down as not caring about people's lives if you said so. From people attending church services that are deeply important to them to small businesses that provide family livelihoods even being allowed to be open, we've been told that we just couldn't take the risk. And if you look at my posting history, I think you'll see that I was one supporting those efforts to restrict activities to slow the spread.
But now, with the current social unrest, suddenly the attitude of our leaders has shifted. Suddenly, there are things that are so important, we can't speak out against them, even if they can potentially cause a surge in infections. That is the issue that is being addressed here.
Please note that I am not suggesting people shouldn't be permitted to take the risk to protest peacefully. I am suggesting that there should be consistency, though, and that people should be free to judge for themselves other activities they also think are important enough to take that risk over.
disney4life2008
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So the hotels are opening. It's one thing they forgot to get rid of, parking fees. There is absolutely no purpose in staying at Disney with no parks.
DisneyCane
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Before somebody brings up the "spike" in Florida's cases yesterday (and Friday), look at the number of tests. Yesterday there were over 57,000 test results (Friday was over 41,000), which is the highest I've ever seen in a day by a lot. I think the highest I've ever seen before was under 42,000. The new case positive rate was 2.6%.
These "spikes" in cases are probably a good thing because it seems that more mild and, especially asymptomatic cases are being discovered. This means that more people who are infected will know they are infected and quarantine. Also, contact tracing allows people in contact with them to get tested.
These "spikes" in cases are probably a good thing because it seems that more mild and, especially asymptomatic cases are being discovered. This means that more people who are infected will know they are infected and quarantine. Also, contact tracing allows people in contact with them to get tested.
Incomudro
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This is because science often get corrupted by politics.
Tom P.
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Disagree. I could easily make an entire vacation at Walt Disney World without ever setting foot in one of the theme parks. There is so much there beyond just the parks.
disney4life2008
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I'm sorry I just don't see it. There are way too many limitations and restrictions. Even in Orlando, I'm good.
There was a big increase in tests in mid to late May and the percent positive went down. And when testing went down, the rate positive started to climb. So, therefore, there is an inverse relationship between the two...
Except... before that big spike in tests in mid May, there was no clear correlation between tests and rate positive. And for the past few days, testing went back up and rate positive didn't go down, but continued to climb.
And... correlation isn't causation.
I've posted before that rate positive is unreliable unless there is systematic randomized testing, so, I'm not going to die on the hill that rate positive is increasing.
But, when you take into account the increasing number of absolute positives and the failure of the death rate to go down significantly... I don't think any case can be made that things are getting better in Florida.
danlb_2000
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I think the problem with that whole statement boils down to just a few works "we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission" which is the one being echoed a lot on social media. It makes is sound like they are saying these gatherings are not risky for the transmission of COVID-19. They should have simply said, "we do not condemn these gatherings, but emphasize that they are risky for COVID-19 transmission"
danlb_2000
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Any thoughts on the choice of Topolino's as the only place to have character dining?
danlb_2000
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What site was this from?
I wouldn't call it character dining just yet. There's a weasel word in there that may mean they just wave at a distance, and I wouldn't call that character dining.
Daily Testing Trends in Florida - Johns Hopkins
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Florida Coronavirus Map and Case Count
See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths, hospitalizations and vaccinations in Florida.
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"Character Waving".I wouldn't call it character dining just yet. There's a weasel word in there that may mean they just wave at a distance, and I wouldn't call that character dining.
SoFloMagic
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Agreed.
Not sure if anyone already posted it, but here's the full letter. The context helps to understand what they were trying to say.
Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don’t shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News
(CNN) — A group of health and medical colleagues has penned an open letter to express their concern that protests around the United States could<a class="excerpt-read-more"...
www.google.com
drew81
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I wouldn't call it character dining just yet. There's a weasel word in there that may mean they just wave at a distance, and I wouldn't call that character dining.
This.
Incomudro
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It's about what the media focuses on, and what they don't.
The media made a decision to largely gloss over the extent of the damage.
They do very few stories of the people affected, their businesses lost... The years of hard work, time effort.
There are human interest stories there, and they are almost exclusively ignored.
All while saying protests were "mostly peaceful."
I saw a youtube video posted by a guy who drove through the blocks that have the high end stores in Manhattan.
He drove block after block, over 4 minutes of driving - showing stores boarded up for entire blocks.
I had NO idea it was that extensive.
That is a story that any honest to goodness news agency would and should show.
But they don't.
Incomudro
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Agreed.
Not sure if anyone already posted it, but here's the full letter. The context helps to understand what they were trying to say.
Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don’t shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News
(CNN) — A group of health and medical colleagues has penned an open letter to express their concern that protests around the United States could<a class="excerpt-read-more"...
Wow.
I'm stunned.
If that doesn't fly in the face of everything we were preached, lectured, and warned about, I don't know what does.
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