Construction between Contemporary and TTC

[danlb_2000]

Interesting suggestion. Do you propose something spanning the river anchored on both shores or something simply floating on the river (i.e. really big houseboat) or something suspended / overhanging the river from one of the shores?

Something that spans the river, not that I think there is any chance of that happening. Of course they could build a hotel that looks like this

 

[MisterPenguin]

A draw bridge tall enough for the smaller transport ferries and recreational vehicles to go through without opening.

This way, they'd only have to stop foot traffic on special occasions, and it won't have to be so high that it fails ADA compliance in its slope.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

That is an interesting thought. I have been keeping an eye out for the 2030 plan. The only mention of it I have found is in meeting minutes from November 2018 which said they would be working on the update to the plan in 2019.

In my mind, I was I thinking the data should have been well underway already, but with the way things have gone the last year or so who knows. Combine that with a government project, we may just be getting started.

 

[pdude81]

How about just build the hotel over the river!

 

[Soluna16]

If Disney earmarked the TTC site as a potential build site, could this just be a routine check on the ground? If so, how often would that kind of geological work need to be done until they feel it can be built upon feasibly? I assumed that kind of thing would be one-and-done, a black and white yes or no determined decades ago.

It's a one and done kind of thing, it doesn't change

 

[cmb5002]

As of now it does not look like the ground was a major factor in the collapse of Champlain Towers South. The current focus appears to be in water damage to the lower levels.


The problem with this story is that you don’t just start driving piles and see what happens. The foundation is designed based on a geotechnical analysis. You wouldn’t be ready to build without knowing the site. Friction piles don’t require hitting something below and is what was used on portions of the Skyway with some of the piles being 100’ deep. Bob Holland also claims to have worked on the site much more recently than the early 80s.

Yep that's why you require dynamic pile testing and restrikes.

 

[tl77]

Maybe we are reading to much into this. Those markers were installed in line with an existing path into that area. Maybe this is just a precaution in case a vehicle needs to access that area, maybe even prompted by the recent accident near MK where a truck hit the beam. Not sure about the need for the fencing, but when you do construction you often put up silt fencing to project from soil run-off, but that is not what was installed there.

Yeah I was referencing that accident at MK ...because it was a large vehicle on a regular road, a fairly busy road too.

You wouldn't really need to add those type markers if you only had Jeeps and Pick-up trucks or other "Standard Off-Road Vehicles" on a dirt road, the dirt road has been there a while and Jeeps and Pick Trucks top out around 8 feet. I don't know what would head down a dirt road that was larger than pick up truck other than some kind of construction vehicles.

But it could just be that they are being "overly cautious" though

 

[tl77]

Just for reference... this Caterpillar 772G Dump Truck has a max height of 12.8 feet, which is well below both the monorail beam and the 15 foot black and yellow marker that was just in stalled. A dump truck like this might be used to add "filler" to the "less than suitable land" for building

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

They build those guards to protect an object at a set height, in this case the monorail track, not to try and guess the biggest vehicle that may go through. It’s one height not project specific. I think we may be overthinking this one.

 

[tl77]

They build those guards to protect an object at a set height, in this case the monorail track, not to try and guess the biggest vehicle that may go through. It’s one height not project specific. I think we may be overthinking this one.

...but what are they protecting the monorail beam from? what could possibly danger a 17 foot high monorail beam on a dirt road?

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

...but what are they protecting the monorail beam from? what could possibly danger a 17 foot high monorail beam on a dirt road?

It’s a good question, I don’t know, and interested to find out too. Just pointing out that there was no real decision in the height leaning towards a project, it just is what it is. I work in a FAM type organization and “what could happen” type questions can and have quickly given me an answer I never saw coming. I’m sure Disney doesn’t want to find out either….again lol.

 

[tl77]

The way they are racing to add Disney characters to the Poly, Contemporary, Grand Floridian, and Wilderness Lodge ...I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a new hotel of Disney characters/Fantasyland theme, on that 50 year old hotel site, during the 50th anniversary. It'd be a reason to return after the 50th, just the timing/P.R. of it... The MK resorts are nice but kinda old... the Rivera and Grand Destino are beautiful and modern... and there are some really great themed rooms at Tokyo Disneyland, I think it'd be nice if they built a a deluxe hotel with a Disney theme to it

If it is the beginnings of a construction project, what "might it be?" Do they really need another Disney Springs type Shopping area? Is it a large enough piece of land to be a mythical 5th gate, or 3rd water park?

A New Hotel/DVC seems most likely to me, they're getting ready to convert one of the Grand Floridian buildings into a DVC. Plus they've been removing the "Disney type themed decor" at all the other DVC on property... so building a new hotel where "you have to pay extra for something that used to be free" kind of fits the new M.O. at Disney Parks and Resorts

 

[castlecake2.0]

I drove by today and doesn’t look like anything much going on there other than that orange fence.

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s a good question, I don’t know, and interested to find out too. Just pointing out that there was no real decision in the height leaning towards a project, it just is what it is. I work in a FAM type organization and “what could happen” type questions can and have quickly given me an answer I never saw coming. I’m sure Disney doesn’t want to find out either….again lol.

... and the accident by MK is a perfect example of this. Who thought a vacuum truck with it's boom up would try to drive under the beam.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

... and the accident by MK is a perfect example of this. Who thought a vacuum truck with it's boom up would try to drive under the beam.

And that was minor, for both parties. If anyone has googled the 11’8 bridge, there’s a similar setup with a guard and flashing lights, but with regular crashes. Granted its underhight and in the middle of a town.

 

[lightguy]

...but what are they protecting the monorail beam from? what could possibly danger a 17 foot high monorail beam on a dirt road?

A drill rig to do geotechnical cores would normally transport with it's drill boom folded down, but with the boom up it would probably be that high, and they don't fold them when driving around the site to a new location. That would be my guess.

 

[Soluna16]

A drill rig to do geotechnical cores would normally transport with it's drill boom folded down, but with the boom up it would probably be that high, and they don't fold them when driving around the site to a new location. That would be my guess.

Drill rig trucks are ALWAYS folded down when driving. I literally deal with them weekly.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

It would be out of the park so opens up a Marvel possibility if they want to go that route.

I know I’ll be in the minority here but personally I’d rather see a themed entertainment district along with a connector to WL. Would make the entire area walkable and give additional options to the monorail resort guests.

 

[Bocabear]

They just sunk millions into Disney Springs...There would be no need for a standalone entertainment district on the Seven Seas Lagoon.
If they do build something I hope it is not a huge tower...I hope for lover construction under 7 stories, and something Architecturally unique and very themed. None of the new builds and planned builds lately have felt on-brand. Riviera, Reflections, Swan Reserve, Gran Destino Tower.. They feel more like B Brand Casino hotels than Premium Priced Disney Resorts. If they add another Monorail Resort it should be beautiful, unique and completely themed...and not the current Marriott style hotel buildings they have been doing.

 

[GimpYancIent]

They just sunk millions into Disney Springs...There would be no need for a standalone entertainment district on the Seven Seas Lagoon.
If they do build something I hope it is not a huge tower...I hope for lover construction under 7 stories, and something Architecturally unique and very themed. None of the new builds and planned builds lately have felt on-brand. Riviera, Reflections, Swan Reserve, Gran Destino Tower.. They feel more like B Brand Casino hotels than Premium Priced Disney Resorts. If they add another Monorail Resort it should be beautiful, unique and completely themed...and not the current Marriott style hotel buildings they have been doing.

The description of a trend to build "B" rated Casino Hotel style so called resorts is true. A lack of architectural imagination and creativity combined with corporate greed. Kind of like building the same cookie cutter buildings with a slightly different overlay (skin). More is expected from Disney but the lure of building a "B" rate, declaring it a Deluxe then throwing in a DVC designation on it in order to glean inflated fees for a lesser product is just too enticing.