Mansion Butler
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Constant Fast Pass
- Thread starter Chef Mickey
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I would ask you to define "legitimate," but since none of us here are qualified to make that assertion on an internet forum (and I refuse to engage in the pathetic "Make them show a note or ID card") I guess you'll just have to grin and bear it with the rest of us.....
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
Legitimate as in, any issue that person may have that literally does impair them from actually being in long lines.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
My thoughts precisely....
Monty
Brilliant...and Canadian
- In the Parks
- No
Maybe a different approach is in order...
The United States Congress, in their infinite wisdom, drafted and passed the Americans with Disabilities Act, which forbids Disney from requiring "proof" of disability. I suspect they determined that it was less onerous to have unscrupulous people occasionally abuse the Act than to force "legitimately" disabled people to jump through potentially embarrassing and certainly demeaning hoops to satisfy a few ignorant people who don't think it's fair.
The United States Congress, in their infinite wisdom, drafted and passed the Americans with Disabilities Act, which forbids Disney from requiring "proof" of disability. I suspect they determined that it was less onerous to have unscrupulous people occasionally abuse the Act than to force "legitimately" disabled people to jump through potentially embarrassing and certainly demeaning hoops to satisfy a few ignorant people who don't think it's fair.
TiggersPooh
Active Member
That drives me INSANE! Bringing grandma in a wheelchair with a GAC then asking where they can leave her.
I tend to look at the names on the card and if its written out for a woman and its all men entering I call them out and refuse entry.
SweetMagic
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loveofamouse
Well-Known Member
Yet, according to your company's policy, you can not and I would surely have no problem calling management if you did. If the company's policy says family can use it, you can do nothing more than ask them to show the family member to prove it wasn't stole or "acquired."
And while I would LOVE for misusers to be caught, I know that legally, there's not alot that can be done.
Also, not just ANYONE can walk in and get one. First off, I have to take my son in with me to get one. That at least stops people from completely lying unless they are a good liar.
Also, many people don't even know they exist. I, personally, didn't know about them until CM friends with Autistic kids told me about it and we've been ALOT.
loveofamouse
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And, yes, it is demeaning. It is one of the reasons that, despite being military and their promotion, we aren't going back to sea world for quite some time. Those @$$es in their GS made me bring him into a crowded office the size of my closet. Then they made me remove him from his wheelchair and stand him up in this crowded room to get his height cause my word wasn't good enough. They asked me specifically for his diagnosis in front of all of these people less than an arm's length away. THEN when we got to a ride, they made me stand him up again infront of an entire crowd despite me telling the workers he CAN'T stand up straight, especially not on his own. Of course, they deemed him less than 0.5in too short despite being barefoot(we just left the water play area) and obviously crouching down and refused to let him ride. I was trying to hold him up in an awkward position under a frame with two side poles.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
But I'm not talking about showing proof of the disability to obtain the pass. I'm talking about, when entering attractions, having some sort of proof that the person the card is intended for is actually with the party and thus the card is being used as intended.
Take handicapped parking tags. Individuals are fined or ticketed if they are caught using somebody else's pass to park in a handicapped parking spot. Likewise, if a card is intended for dad, and teen daughter takes the car out, but parks in a handicapped spot because there is a handicapped tag on that vehicle, that is also improper use of the card. How is this any different?
You seem to think that only extreme cases like autism warrant these passes. Nope. Literally anyone can walk in to guest relations, claim an ailment, and receive a pass. And for the record, I have seen people with the cards turned away by CMs for not having the intended user of the card present. Granted, the party would have to admit that the card user is not present, but that indicates to me that Disney's policy is that, yes, the intended user of the card must be present for access through the alternate line.
loveofamouse
Well-Known Member
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!
Disney ALLOWS family to use the GAC without the person listed riding!!!
Geez! That has been repeated a good 5 times AT LEAST.
Your HC permit analogy doesn't apply. The law DOESN'T allow family to use it. Disney ALLOWS family to use it.
APPLES <--> ORANGES
And all that indicates is that that CM wasn't fully aware of the policy....like THAT would be a first. How often do we cross CMs that are WRONG?!?!?! How about you look up the policy for yourself instead of arguing with the disabled community about it.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
...any CMs care to chime in?
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
You really need to pick a new cause to fight for, as you are losing your battle.
Not to mention looking a little foolish to boot.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
Until someone gets an official response from Disney on their policy on whether or not the person the card is intended for has to be present for the card to be used, then no, I haven't lost anything.
Also, it should be noticed that a parent with an autistic child is a more extreme case and exceptions to the rule were probably made for them.
Also, it should be noticed that a parent with an autistic child is a more extreme case and exceptions to the rule were probably made for them.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
If you think that you will get an "Official Response" on this website then you really are misguided.
Monty
Brilliant...and Canadian
- In the Parks
- No
OK, so now we'll educate you a little more...
I have an Accessible Parking Permit [what you call a handicapped parking tag]. The rules state that any vehicle that parks in a designated space has to be either picking up or dropping off the individual named on the permit. What that means is I can drive my vehicle to the mall, park in the designated space and go in. I can then give the keys to someone else to borrow my vehicle and go somewhere else without me and return later to the designated spots and return my keys to me so I can later drive home.
When the other person goes to my vehicle and drives away and when they return the vehicle they are doing so perfectly legally within the rules for my permit.
You clearly don't know the rules you're quoting so readily.
loveofamouse
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If you want to say the rule should clearly state that only caregivers can use the GAC without the person, then state that but don't try and stand that it CANT be used without the person listed. It can.
Honestly, i can't see the need for someone other than caregivers, rather it be a child or certain challenged adult, that would need to quickly do a ride to avoid long seperation. If you've got gma refusing to ride, that shouldn't, alone, allow the rest of the family a fastpass. On that same note, the avg. gma wouldn't have one.
Maybe a seperate stamp that says "Caregiver Fastpass" that would only be given to actual CARE givers.
Honestly, i can't see the need for someone other than caregivers, rather it be a child or certain challenged adult, that would need to quickly do a ride to avoid long seperation. If you've got gma refusing to ride, that shouldn't, alone, allow the rest of the family a fastpass. On that same note, the avg. gma wouldn't have one.
Maybe a seperate stamp that says "Caregiver Fastpass" that would only be given to actual CARE givers.
loveofamouse
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Exactly. Some teen using Gma's pass is illegal. It is also illegal for the USER to park in an HC spot and NOT get in or out of the car. If Paralyzed Paul parked in an HC spot but only his wife ran in while he sat and waited, he could be fined $250-500. He could also lose his parking decal. If the friend that took your car used the decal while he had the car, he could be fined. The user must be getting in or out of the vehicle that trip. My son had to get a state ID and the decal has his state ID number on it. I can't use it unless he is going in with me or Im picking him up.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
But if that person leaves with your car, comes back, and parks in a disabled parking spot to pick up YOU, then the pass is still benefiting YOU, and is being used as intended. Because its assumed that YOU are unable to walk greater distances to further parking spaces.
Totally separate from "teen daughter using dad's car to park in handicap spot at mall" scenario. And the entire point I've been making in this thread is that this sort of abuse IS COMMON and a PROBLEM with the cards that Disney issues.