Concepts for DCA coming to WDW?

[TP2000]

If they want to bring more stuff from California to WDW bring Grizzly Peak. Or Indiana Jones Adventure. But not this boring rubbish.

I think you are a little confused about what may or may not migrate out to Florida from California. The existing rides in Paradise Pier that have been there since 2001 and that will be rethemed and renamed are not on the list of things for potential WDW expansion.

The stuff possibly coming to WDW next decade are being pulled from the five brand new and never seen before attractions opening in DCA in 2010-2012. They are;

Red Car Trolleys B Ticket
Tow Mater's Junkyard Jamboree C Ticket
Luigi's Flyin' Tires C Ticket
Radiator Springs Racers E Ticket
The Little Mermaid Ariel's Adventure E Ticket

Now the two C Tickets are "carnival" type rides, but boy do they look fun and very well themed!

And in the context of the larger Cars Land expansion for DCA, they will fit in beautifully. If they migrate to Florida, I'm sure WDI will create an equally stunning environment for these smaller C Ticket rides.

The Red Cars would look and feel fantastic in DHS going up and down Hollywood and Sunset Boulevards in that park, just like they will in DCA.

 

[jt04]

The parachute ride WILL NOT be built.

Never say never. All ideas that get that far end up somewhere sooner or later. Probably sooner in this case.

 

[DisneyExplorer]

I honestly don't see how much of a difference this whole $1.1 billion bailout for DCA is going to make. The new Little Mermaid attraction and Cars Land will obviously help because they're new, exciting additions to the attraction roster; however, most of the other changes are thematical and changes in scenery. Take Goofy's Sky School for example. It is the same ride just with a change of scenery. That isn't going to make me want to ride it more or less than before. The front entrance is a different story. It isn't an attraction and is strictly meant to provide a better atmosphere. After all, the theming you see when you enter a park is what puts you in that magical Disney mood. It needs to be impressive. I think DCA's best bet is not to patch up their existing problems with attractions not drawing in big crowds. If Mullhallow Madness is not giving Disney the results it wants, they need to scrap it and put in a new attraction, not give it a new theme.

 

[jt04]

I honestly don't see how much of a difference this whole $1.1 billion bailout for DCA is going to make. The new Little Mermaid attraction and Cars Land will obviously help because they're new, exciting additions to the attraction roster; however, most of the other changes are thematical and changes in scenery. Take Goofy's Sky School for example. It is the same ride just with a change of scenery. That isn't going to make me want to ride it more or less than before. The front entrance is a different story. It isn't an attraction and is strictly meant to provide a better atmosphere. After all, the theming you see when you enter a park is what puts you in that magical Disney mood. It needs to be impressive. I think DCA's best bet is not to patch up their existing problems with attractions not drawing in big crowds. If Mullhallow Madness is not giving Disney the results it wants, they need to scrap it and put in a new attraction, not give it a new theme.

From what I understand the front entrance change will also be a relocation in that it will allow expansion of DCA's "Main Street". One of the problems this park will always have is space so this will help. Carsland is not just 1 attraction. There will be the new e-ticket but also a d-ticket and c-ticket ride. From what I've seen of the concept art there will also be numerous stores and eateries that will use Route 66 as a backstory. Brilliant! The new LM ride will set the standard for dark rides in that it will be state of the art and won't disappoint IMO. The more I look at the concepts, back stories and theming, the more I like it. I think they have got this right with the budget and space available. And don't forget, there is another expansion phase that is still locked away but will probably happen someday. Some of the theming is transitional and temporary between Phase 1 and 2.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I honestly don't see how much of a difference this whole $1.1 billion bailout for DCA is going to make. The new Little Mermaid attraction and Cars Land will obviously help because they're new, exciting additions to the attraction roster; however, most of the other changes are thematical and changes in scenery. Take Goofy's Sky School for example. It is the same ride just with a change of scenery. That isn't going to make me want to ride it more or less than before. The front entrance is a different story. It isn't an attraction and is strictly meant to provide a better atmosphere. After all, the theming you see when you enter a park is what puts you in that magical Disney mood. It needs to be impressive. I think DCA's best bet is not to patch up their existing problems with attractions not drawing in big crowds. If Mullholland Madness is not giving Disney the results it wants, they need to scrap it and put in a new attraction, not give it a new theme.

Bingo. There are certain attractions that don't fit or work...and instead of Disney chalking up their losses and scrapping it with something new...they just put a different story on it. That's fine if they are retheming the entire area and it's an attraction that works...but why spend money on something that is failing if you're not changing the experience?

I love the Carsland idea but wish they would've named it "Route 66" or "Radiator Springs" but I love the idea, look, feel, and attractions that are going into it.

 

[jt04]

Bingo. There are certain attractions that don't fit or work...and instead of Disney chalking up their losses and scrapping it with something new...they just put a different story on it. That's fine if they are retheming the entire area and it's an attraction that works...but why spend money on something that is failing if you're not changing the experience?

I love the Carsland idea but wish they would've named it "Route 66" or "Radiator Springs" but I love the idea, look, feel, and attractions that are going into it.

I am pretty sure "Mullholland" is one of the rides that was to go but they ran out of money and so it is getting a retheme. It will go away if "Phase 2" happens after 2012.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

I am pretty sure "Mullholland" is one of the rides that was to go but they ran out of money and so it is getting a retheme. It will go away if "Phase 2" happens after 2012.

I understand that money is a factor in everything and I can't falter the Imagineers for that. I like the theme of Mulholland Madness because it clearly fits in with California...the ride just wasn't executed well.

 

[MichWolv]

I love the Carsland idea but wish they would've named it "Route 66" or "Radiator Springs" but I love the idea, look, feel, and attractions that are going into it.

Hear hear. I'm still hoping they call the land Route 66, which would fit it well with the "old-time California" theme of the park, since that's how many people traveled to California back then. "Carsland" just sounds...lame to me.

I understand that money is a factor in everything and I can't falter the Imagineers for that. I like the theme of Mulholland Madness because it clearly fits in with California...the ride just wasn't executed well.

The old time small little coaster ride is fun, and fits the theming allright. But I'd have expected Disney to do something interesting to plus it. For one, they could've figured out a way to improve the capcacity (which the accomplished at DAK but just having two of them :brick. And some effects would've been nice as well.

 

[itasman]

The old time small little coaster ride is fun, and fits the theming allright. But I'd have expected Disney to do something interesting to plus it. For one, they could've figured out a way to improve the capcacity (which the accomplished at DAK but just having two of them :brick. And some effects would've been nice as well.

$1.1 billion is great, but can only go so far. Let's just hope the Phase 1 attractions help increase attendance sufficiently so that another big package can be made available to help improve the Hollywood and Grizzly Peak sections, plus the northwest corner of Paradise Pier.

 

[jt04]

$1.1 billion is great, but can only go so far. Let's just hope the Phase 1 attractions help increase attendance sufficiently so that another big package can be made available to help improve the Hollywood and Grizzly Peak sections, plus the northwest corner of Paradise Pier.

I am very confident it will. A few more first rate attractions and DCA might start out drawing DL. (No, I am not joking)

 

[DisneyExplorer]

I love the Carsland idea but wish they would've named it "Route 66" or "Radiator Springs" but I love the idea, look, feel, and attractions that are going into it.

Radiator Springs would be a great name for the area. Cars Land makes it sound quite babyish and on the cheasier side. Sure, the attractions might be great, but a name like Cars Land doesn't help its case. Take Mickey's Toontown Fair for example. People hear that name and automatically assume the area is for little kids. Just plain Toontown would suit much better. People might take Cars Land the same way, thinking it is geared for younger children, but that is misleading. It has an E-ticket taking Test Track to the next level. There's nothing kiddie about that. It's amazing what a name can do.

And jt04, I absolutely agree with you on the fact that Cars Land, LM, and the new entrance are great changes/additions to the park. They will help give it the success it needs. I wasn't aware of the Phase 1 and Phase 2 deal, so the clears things up a bit, but it still doesn't give Disney the excuse to spend money unnecessarily. Retheming a failing attraction is just a waste of money, especially if it is going to be receiving major changes in Phase 2. Retheming isn't going to change anyones' opinions on the attraction, so waste the money when it could be better spent elsewhere. Temporary fixes never work. You can look at any company, and this is is almost always true. I hope you guys see where I'm coming from.

Man, it would have been so helpful if Disney had just created the park correctly in the first place.

 

[TP2000]

I am very confident it will. A few more first rate attractions and DCA might start out drawing DL. (No, I am not joking)

Really?! I don't think that will ever happen.

Disneyland has 14+ Million visitors per year, and DCA struggles to get past 6+Million per year. And that's with DCA sitting merely a few steps away from the Disneyland entrance. DCA would have to more than double its annual attendance to get past Disneyland levels, and as great as the additions and new rides are that are coming in 2010-12, I don't think DCA can overtake Disneyland.

Look at Epcot, a fabulous second gate with more than a full day of wonderful attractions. And yet it never gets close to Magic Kingdom attendance numbers even after 25 years.

 

[itasman]

I am very confident it will. A few more first rate attractions and DCA might start out drawing DL. (No, I am not joking)

I am sure phase-1 will be a success too (I expect, once Little Mermaid and CarsLand are complete, that attendance will increase to the 9 million range), but DCA will never outdraw DL. DCA has several inherent flaws...such as an ill defined theme, awkward layout, plus the fact that an area like Paradise Pier (no matter how much WDI prettifies it) will still be representative of exactly the kind of amusement park that DL succeeds in differentiating itself from. Nonetheless, in the decade after 2012, if Disney finishes retheming of the remaining areas, and adds about two worthwhile E-tickets, then DCA should settle into an annual attendance of around 12 million or so, quite respectable for a second gate. By that time, who knows, conditions might even be right for a third gate on the west coast.