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[kap91]

In my opinion, Alice should be trackless and elaborate while not necessarily long. Pinocchio would be long, but not too technically complicated. Peter Pan would be short and would feature an updated ride system, while the overall ride would have more dazzling effects. Batb, would have a simple ride system, but amazing effects. Mr. Toad would be a coaster akin to mine train. Tangled, Mermaid, Snow White, and whatever else could be the short and simple dark rides. Robin Hood, Cinderella, sword in the stone, and more could be the flat rides. Dumbo would be the transportation/people mover attraction. Finally, if we still wanted more flat rides, we could do something with Fantasia, or maybe mermaid could instead have an Under the Sea style flat ride.

Thoroughly agree on Alice. Elaborate trackless, motion base, ride with lots of special effects.

Neutral on Pinocchio and Pan and probably mermaid.

I'm not sure I see a coaster for Toad - unless maybe it's like an indoor wild mouse type of thing? That could work. There's a patent out there for like an intersecting turntable dark ride that would work well too. The villains mountain strikes me as the more traditional coaster.

I think @Imagineerland has a complete plan for a tangled attraction that's fairly compact. Though I think it was a trackless ride as well.

Not digging the dumbo peoplemover idea based on words alone, but it might be just cause I'm picturing a train of current dumbo ride vehicles hanging from a suessland-esque monorail beam.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Thoroughly agree on Alice. Elaborate trackless, motion base, ride with lots of special effects.

Neutral on Pinocchio and Pan and probably mermaid.

I'm not sure I see a coaster for Toad - unless maybe it's like an indoor wild mouse type of thing? That could work. There's a patent out there for like an intersecting turntable dark ride that would work well too. The villains mountain strikes me as the more traditional coaster.

I think @Imagineerland has a complete plan for a tangled attraction that's fairly compact. Though I think it was a trackless ride as well.

Not digging the dumbo peoplemover idea based on words alone, but it might be just cause I'm picturing a train of current dumbo ride vehicles hanging from a suessland-esque monorail beam.

Don't think hanging, think underneath or to the side like current dumbo (although that might not work out as good as I thought). I really like the idea, but it's difficult to pull off like you said.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The reason I'm so adamant on the classics having big rides is because we've already seen them as small rides before, and quite frankly, they deserve way more. I don't want to create any clones here, everything here should be a bed of new ideas!

 

[MCParradox]

What if we instead used a Dumbo themed regular mini-monorail? A small beam like Disneyland's, if not smaller, that can easily weave around, under, over and through things, with single Dumbo cars moving around fairly regularly, each holding 4 people or so. If we put the car on top of the beam, in a lot of places the beam can be low to thee ground, or even sunk down, making it a lot less intrusive.

 

[Brer Oswald]

What if we instead used a Dumbo themed regular mini-monorail? A small beam like Disneyland's, if not smaller, that can easily weave around, under, over and through things, with single Dumbo cars moving around fairly regularly, each holding 4 people or so. If we put the car on top of the beam, in a lot of places the beam can be low to thee ground, or even sunk down, making it a lot less intrusive.

I know this makes things more complicated, but to add to that, why don't we let guests change the height of their dumbo? To compensate for this, the roofs it would pass under would have to be high, but I think it could work.

 

[kap91]

What if we instead used a Dumbo themed regular mini-monorail? A small beam like Disneyland's, if not smaller, that can easily weave around, under, over and through things, with single Dumbo cars moving around fairly regularly, each holding 4 people or so. If we put the car on top of the beam, in a lot of places the beam can be low to thee ground, or even sunk down, making it a lot less intrusive.

Aesthetically I don't think it fits, especially if the rest of the land is trending towards the modern ultra realism/fully rendered look, and the capacity would be a major problem with individual cars.

There might be something there, just needs a lot of development to make it feasible, fitting, and attractive. I will say a Casey Jr train would easily bypass all these problems. I'd actually lean towards making the peoplemover an original contraption not based on any IP, instead a mythology of Fantasyland itself (certainly could serve to bind it all together)- but that would require we have a firmer idea on the land as a whole.

 

[FigmentPigments]

Aesthetically I don't think it fits, especially if the rest of the land is trending towards the modern ultra realism/fully rendered look, and the capacity would be a major problem with individual cars.

There might be something there, just needs a lot of development to make it feasible, fitting, and attractive. I will say a Casey Jr train would easily bypass all these problems. I'd actually lean towards making the peoplemover an original contraption not based on any IP, instead a mythology of Fantasyland itself (certainly could serve to bind it all together)- but that would require we have a firmer idea on the land as a whole.

I really like the idea of a suspended people mover, but I'd be okay with a ground based peoplemover that is not based off an IP.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The idea of the land is classic fairytale/animated Disney movies.

 

[kap91]

I really like the idea of a suspended people mover, but I'd be okay with a ground based peoplemover that is not based off an IP.

Suspended or just above ground in general I think is a great idea and practical. The only problem is the track. If it's a train, self explained, and many aesthetics to theme it as. If it's supposed to be a flying machine, much harder to explain or decorate. If it's an original idea - (spitballing, Fantasyland transportation service built to connect all the realms by the inventors (Gepetto, Maurice, original character) and magicians (Merlin?, -just realized most witches are evil in Disney lore, some original character) of the land then it really can look like anything. A wooden clockwork aesthetic could be interesting

 

[Brer Oswald]

Maybe it has to be suspended, but I don't think suspended dumbo cars break from the flow of Dumbo the flying elephant, especially compared to what we've had in the parks since the beginning.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The reason I think Dumbo works is because he and Tinker Bell have always been the unofficial mascots of Fantasyland, so that would tie everything together.

 

[FigmentPigments]

The idea of the land is classic fairytale/animated Disney movies.

I know, but I thought if there was such a dislike of the an aerial peoplemover, that maybe we could have the people mover be something that blends in with the whole of Fantasyland, that was all. An IP based ground PM just seems like it would create a disconnect with certain parts of the land. Again, just my opinion.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I know, but I thought if there was such a dislike of the an aerial peoplemover, that maybe we could have the people mover be something that blends in with the whole of Fantasyland, that was all. An IP based ground PM just seems like it would create a disconnect with certain parts of the land. Again, just my opinion.

I agree. For me personally, aerial is the only way.

 

[kap91]

I know, but I thought if there was such a dislike of the an aerial peoplemover, that maybe we could have the people mover be something that blends in with the whole of Fantasyland, that was all. An IP based ground PM just seems like it would create a disconnect with certain parts of the land. Again, just my opinion.

I don't think there's opposition to the idea of an overhead peoplemover in general - just what it would be themed to and what it would look like. Personally I'm trying to avoid the atrociousness of something like these but with a dumbo vehicle.

 

[FigmentPigments]

I'm not very strong with engineering so please feel free to shoot it down, but is there anyway to combine

with this??

 

[Brer Oswald]

I'm not very strong with engineering so please feel free to shoot it down, but is there anyway to combine

with this??

That's what I was thinking. A Dumbo skyway!

 

[kap91]

I'm not very strong with engineering so please feel free to shoot it down, but is there anyway to combine

with this??

Probably, but skyways can most only go in straight lines. At least while on the rope. Theoretically they also work on track in the stations though so that track might be able to be extended to other areas - generally any transition between the two requires a big gantry for the pulley. It would be difficult to weave among the attractions. Also a ride vehicle like that still doesn't address capacity concerns. Unless you have a lot of vehicles that can board very quickly.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Probably, but skyways can most only go in straight lines. At least while on the rope. Theoretically they also work on track in the stations though so that track might be able to be extended to other areas - generally any transition between the two requires a big gantry for the pulley. It would be difficult to weave among the attractions. Also a ride vehicle like that still doesn't address capacity concerns. Unless you have a lot of vehicles that can board very quickly.

Couldn't we use track like Peter Pan's Flight?

 

[kap91]

Couldn't we use track like Peter Pan's Flight?

If you want the aesthetics of McBean's steel tracks everywhere.

 

[FigmentPigments]

Probably, but skyways can most only go in straight lines. At least while on the rope. Theoretically they also work on track in the stations though so that track might be able to be extended to other areas - generally any transition between the two requires a big gantry for the pulley. It would be difficult to weave among the attractions. Also a ride vehicle like that still doesn't address capacity concerns. Unless you have a lot of vehicles that can board very quickly.

I looked up the old Skyway and it had 42 cars that could fit 4 people and went 4mph.

I also found a proposed gondola track for Branson that looked like it could be go around obstacles.

Does this address any of your concerns?