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spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
The Disneyland Paris 25th Anniversary Grand Celebration actually had songs that expressed the general story and feeling of each land extremely well.

There's a lot of inspiration we could take theme and story wise in the songs. My personal favorite is the Fantasyland number. It catches those feelings of what makes a well done Fantasyland so perfectly.

Nice find! Yeah it really does!
 

D Hulk

Well-Known Member
Been thinking about some kind of overarching story or theme for our Critter Country, for our Splash Mountain, and what sense (if any) it makes to do an Australian Splash...

As has been said, Splash is steeped in Americana, in the tales of Uncle Remus. Outside of the US parks (and Tokyo, where Americana is still a peculiar draw), there is less appeal for something like this. What we would need is the Australian equivalent of Uncle Remus.

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Australian Legendary Tales by K. Parker might be that! This is a collection of 31 tales from Aboriginal folklore, as retold by a Victorian era Australian lady. (So fair warning, there seems to be the same racial controversy here as with Song of the South, though it's likely Parker was quite progressive for her time.).

These are like myths involving sentient animals, which do indeed sound similar to Brer Rabbit. I've yet to find a synopsis for specific tales, to see if anything would specifically fit the Splash type narrative, but something like this just might do for Australian park guests what Critter Country MK does for the US South. Thoughts?
 

MonorailRed

Applebees
Been thinking about some kind of overarching story or theme for our Critter Country, for our Splash Mountain, and what sense (if any) it makes to do an Australian Splash...

As has been said, Splash is steeped in Americana, in the tales of Uncle Remus. Outside of the US parks (and Tokyo, where Americana is still a peculiar draw), there is less appeal for something like this. What we would need is the Australian equivalent of Uncle Remus.

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Australian Legendary Tales by K. Parker might be that! This is a collection of 31 tales from Aboriginal folklore, as retold by a Victorian era Australian lady. (So fair warning, there seems to be the same racial controversy here as with Song of the South, though it's likely Parker was quite progressive for her time.).

These are like myths involving sentient animals, which do indeed sound similar to Brer Rabbit. I've yet to find a synopsis for specific tales, to see if anything would specifically fit the Splash type narrative, but something like this just might do for Australian park guests what Critter Country MK does for the US South. Thoughts?

If we find a story I say we go for it! :D
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
Just some more thoughts

@D Hindley that's a really inventive idea. My hesitation for it would be that the music is a vital part to Splash Mountain which we would lose with this concept which if it's similar enough to Splash we might as well have Splash haha. But we should still keep it on the table I think.

The real question is - what is the focus of the land?

Do we want it to be Australian "Disney-centric" -- meaning Rescuers Down Under, Australian Splash Mountain
Do we want it to be Australian culturally centric -- original ideas, Australian Folklore
Australian Wildlife Focused -- Finding Nemo, outdoors themes.
Animal Conservation -- more akin to Kilamonjaro Safari of the Outback.
Or do we want a traditional Americana Critter Country -- which opens the door up to a regular Splash Mountain, Country Bears, etc.

This will shape the direction we would go in
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
Just some more thoughts

@D Hindley that's a really inventive idea. My hesitation for it would be that the music is a vital part to Splash Mountain which we would lose with this concept which if it's similar enough to Splash we might as well have Splash haha. But we should still keep it on the table I think.

The real question is - what is the focus of the land?

Do we want it to be Australian "Disney-centric" -- meaning Rescuers Down Under, Australian Splash Mountain
Do we want it to be Australian culturally centric -- original ideas, Australian Folklore
Australian Wildlife Focused -- Finding Nemo, outdoors themes.
Animal Conservation -- more akin to Kilamonjaro Safari of the Outback.
Or do we want a traditional Americana Critter Country -- which opens the door up to a regular Splash Mountain, Country Bears, etc.

This will shape the direction we would go in
I'll also add these ideas don't mesh well together except maybe Wildlife/Animal Conservation -- so when deciding I wouldn't bank on the old "bit of both" answers that combine these ideas together:p
 

kmbmw777

Well-Known Member
@mickeyfan5534 @Brer Oswald @kmbmw777

Anything you would add/change to the cumulative draft and the map?

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/club-32-sydney-disneyland-cumulative-draft.926539/
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Fantasia Gardens - Fantasia themed version of Main Street U.S.A.
Pacific Wharf - 1905 San Francisco
Frontierland - Americana West based on National Parks and the frontier
Critter Country - Australian based Critters from the Outback
Adventureland - Fantasy version of adventure, tropics, pirates, and more
Fantasyland - The land of enchantment and storytelling
Villains Land - possibly renamed, home of all Disney Villains
Tomorrowland - based on Tomorrowland 2055.
Looks perfect!
 

Brer Oswald

Well-Known Member
It really depends on how passionate we are about it.

Like we've had Splash on the docket for a few months now, but if we are going in the Splash Mountain direction -- what are the details?

This is all we have so far...

I drew up a rough sketch of the area.


And a concept art piece
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I know Red met Joe Rohde -- and asked him if he had tips on how to approach imagineering projects. (So technically Joe Rohde's philosophies are now involved in this project:joyfull:)

He had mentioned that -- the story comes first. What is the story of Critter Country? What are we trying to tell?

If we just go by attractions because we think they are cool, then the story will suffer and be disjointed. Thinking on it...changing Splash to Australian is like changing Tower of Terror to Guardians of the Galaxy. That's not saying it can't be done and be good (because I'm open to the idea) but it has to fit the overall story. Otherwise we are just shoehorning it in so that we have Splash Mountain.

So -- I guess this opens up the thought process....

What does an Australian Splash Mountain do for the story of Critter Country? And in the same breath -- what would Finding Nemo do for it.

Brer- nobody should be leaving just because of one idea. Nothing is finalized yet.
That's why I suggested moving Splash to the second park, or just doing a traditional Critter Country.
 
Just some more thoughts

@D Hindley that's a really inventive idea. My hesitation for it would be that the music is a vital part to Splash Mountain which we would lose with this concept which if it's similar enough to Splash we might as well have Splash haha. But we should still keep it on the table I think.

The real question is - what is the focus of the land?

Do we want it to be Australian "Disney-centric" -- meaning Rescuers Down Under, Australian Splash Mountain
Do we want it to be Australian culturally centric -- original ideas, Australian Folklore
Australian Wildlife Focused -- Finding Nemo, outdoors themes.
Animal Conservation -- more akin to Kilamonjaro Safari of the Outback.
Or do we want a traditional Americana Critter Country -- which opens the door up to a regular Splash Mountain, Country Bears, etc.

This will shape the direction we would go in
We could have some of these themes at one park, and have the others at another park.
 

FigmentPigments

Well-Known Member
Been thinking about some kind of overarching story or theme for our Critter Country, for our Splash Mountain, and what sense (if any) it makes to do an Australian Splash...

As has been said, Splash is steeped in Americana, in the tales of Uncle Remus. Outside of the US parks (and Tokyo, where Americana is still a peculiar draw), there is less appeal for something like this. What we would need is the Australian equivalent of Uncle Remus.

View attachment 204121

Australian Legendary Tales by K. Parker might be that! This is a collection of 31 tales from Aboriginal folklore, as retold by a Victorian era Australian lady. (So fair warning, there seems to be the same racial controversy here as with Song of the South, though it's likely Parker was quite progressive for her time.).

These are like myths involving sentient animals, which do indeed sound similar to Brer Rabbit. I've yet to find a synopsis for specific tales, to see if anything would specifically fit the Splash type narrative, but something like this just might do for Australian park guests what Critter Country MK does for the US South. Thoughts?
Figment agrees with this. Theres one story she remembers about a frog that sucked up all the water and the animals had to make him laugh to let out all of the water.
 

Brer Oswald

Well-Known Member
I'm just going to throw what Space said back out there again. Half of Splash's charm comes from its music. You can't do that with on original IP, at least not to the same effect (the days of pirates and Mansion are long over). The other half comes from the characterization of past Disney animators, and just how impeccably entertaining it is.
 

MonorailRed

Applebees
That's why I suggested moving Splash to the second park, or just doing a traditional Critter Country.

I'm just going to throw what Space said back out there again. Half of Splash's charm comes from its music. You can't do that with on original IP, at least not to the same effect (the days of pirates and Mansion are long over). The other half comes from the characterization of past Disney animators, and just how impeccably entertaining it is.

Because of this, I really think the best route is to have Splash Mountain to the second park, while making sure an Australian Critter Country focusing on it's animals, including one's Disney has created, is in the first park.

I have an idea for the layout, I'll post in later today
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
I have to go back to studying for my final on Friday -- but here are my final thoughts.

After all of this -- if it had to pick an option, I'd go with @MonorailRed 's Finding Nemo idea. As much as I think it's inventive to try a new version of Splash -- Finding Nemo takes place in Sydney and would be completely different. From what I see it's not a finding nemo version of Splash...but a different kind of flume dark ride. Also the focus on the Great Barrier Reef would transition from the National Parks of Frontierland and into Paradise Falls of Up in Adventureland.

Plus it would be something never before done.

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Other than that -- I'd play it safe with a traditional Critter Country. That would afford a regular Splash Mountain, and a ton of other Americana options of Disney that are limited in an Australian version.

It's been done before, but maybe it's worth a shot if we can't come to a consensus.
 

CraniumCommand89

Well-Known Member
Been thinking about some kind of overarching story or theme for our Critter Country, for our Splash Mountain, and what sense (if any) it makes to do an Australian Splash...

As has been said, Splash is steeped in Americana, in the tales of Uncle Remus. Outside of the US parks (and Tokyo, where Americana is still a peculiar draw), there is less appeal for something like this. What we would need is the Australian equivalent of Uncle Remus.

View attachment 204121

Australian Legendary Tales by K. Parker might be that! This is a collection of 31 tales from Aboriginal folklore, as retold by a Victorian era Australian lady. (So fair warning, there seems to be the same racial controversy here as with Song of the South, though it's likely Parker was quite progressive for her time.).

These are like myths involving sentient animals, which do indeed sound similar to Brer Rabbit. I've yet to find a synopsis for specific tales, to see if anything would specifically fit the Splash type narrative, but something like this just might do for Australian park guests what Critter Country MK does for the US South. Thoughts?
Slightly unsure about the feasibility of this attraction. In this day and age I find it hard to imagine Disney green-lighting an attraction with even a hint of past racial controversy.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Original Poster
I'm just going to throw what Space said back out there again. Half of Splash's charm comes from its music. You can't do that with on original IP, at least not to the same effect (the days of pirates and Mansion are long over). The other half comes from the characterization of past Disney animators, and just how impeccably entertaining it is.
The music is what makes Splash a timeless classic for me -- it's so steeped in Disney culture now:bookworm:
 

StevenU

Well-Known Member
Just some more thoughts

@D Hindley that's a really inventive idea. My hesitation for it would be that the music is a vital part to Splash Mountain which we would lose with this concept which if it's similar enough to Splash we might as well have Splash haha. But we should still keep it on the table I think.

The real question is - what is the focus of the land?

Do we want it to be Australian "Disney-centric" -- meaning Rescuers Down Under, Australian Splash Mountain
Do we want it to be Australian culturally centric -- original ideas, Australian Folklore
Australian Wildlife Focused -- Finding Nemo, outdoors themes.
Animal Conservation -- more akin to Kilamonjaro Safari of the Outback.
Or do we want a traditional Americana Critter Country -- which opens the door up to a regular Splash Mountain, Country Bears, etc.

This will shape the direction we would go in
My vote would be traditional Critter Country. We might be over-thinking it.
 

mickeyfan5534

Well-Known Member
On the Parade Route:
I don't like the idea of the parade route going down Main Street. It creates a really bad roadblock and I think it would kind of ruin the tranquil build up of Fantasia Gardens with a parade going down it. Instead, I think the parade route should sort of bisect the park. Villainsland, over the bridge, around the hub (the long way), into Critter Country, ending near the Frontierland Railroad Station. Thoughts?

Spitballing on the Events
Forgive the ramble

January (start week after New Years): Mickey's Disneyland Celebration
Hub show. Basically a much, much, much smaller scale version of the Disneyland Paris 25th Anniversary Grand Celebration. Something that good needs to be shown somewhat regularly. Add in the new lands and it's the perfect length.

February: Valentines. I have this one pretty much down.
Princess Dreams: Hub show. An elaborate celebration of Disney Princesses. Every Princess in represented.
Rose Princess Gardens: Princesses take over some of the pathways in Fantasia Gardens for meets. The Princess Chateau can also go down for refurb during this month because of them.
Bouquet of Love Cavalcade: Princesses on floats covered in flowers. Grouped by era maybe?

Music Event(Fall: March/April/May)
Two themes I can see this going:
Battle of the Bands: Donald and Goofy vs. Minnie and Daisy with Mickey as host and Chip and Dale judging. Not my favorite idea but it could work especially with good costumes and genre twists on Disney songs.
Musical Notes: My personal favorite. Music notes escape Fantasia Castle and the park turns into a musical wonderland. Cast break into song at a moment's notice and continue on like nothing happened. Castle show could be Mickey getting the notes back into the castle where they belong. Parade could be a wild music note chase. A show in the hub could be something along the lines of this:
Spitballing a couple names, 'Symphonyland' or 'Musicland'.
There's also the choice of combining them and using Battle of the Bands for the hub show.

June/July/August: Winter
I already discussed A Stitch Event:
Hong Kong did a... unique Stitch event a while back.

There's something in there for a somewhat interesting hub show similar to MiSiCi
Maybe something along the lines of the old Midsummer's Night Panic at Tokyo Disneyland for a stage show.

Maybe some Moana in the entertainment. A fun parade would cinch the event into a whole.

Frozen Winter Fun
Frozen based event. Anna and Elsa take over the park. Maybe a parade? Tokyo did a decent job with one but Frozen is seriously one of Disney's most overrated films and really doesn't deserve the popularity it got. Not my favorite idea here

Disney A La Carte
Food! Food and wine transplanted into the Disneyland setting and kept very, very, very classy. The Aussie's love their booze and they really love cuisine but they know their limits so I could see it working. Lumiere or Remy could host. Something along the lines of the recently departed A Table is Waiting at DisneySea would be an obvious choice for a castle show.

Walt Disney's Celebration of Stories
Daytime castle show taking the place of the regular show for the season with a longer runtime and more characters. Nighttime show in addition to Fairytale in the Stars. Hub show that doubles as a greeting show. Mini-parade/cavalcade?

Halloween: September/October
Villains based event.
Day and night parades.
Day and nighttime stage shows.
Greeting show in the hub.
Villains taking over Fantasia Gardens paths.
Decorations everywhere
More intense overlay on Bald Mountain?

Christmas: November/December
Mickey and Friends hosted (Mickey's Magical Christmas) or Belle hosted (Belle's Enchanted Christmas)
Day and night parades
Day and nighttime stage shows
Castle and tree lighting show
Mickey and Friends greeting show in the hub
Princess based greeting show in the hub
Decorations everywhere

New Years
Special Countdown Parade/Show on New Years Eve
New Years greeting cavalcade
 

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