Sirwalterraleigh
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First you have to understand what Disney actually did in the recession of 2008 in Orlando.
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Chapek's comments - he doesn't want anyone on this board at WDW any more
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el_super
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Isn't their discounting strategy usually just tacking on free days to a booking? That would make a lot of sense, because they could continue to increase pricing while simultaneously offering a time sensitive discount. That would work well with a general reduction in AP benefits and numbers.
AEfx
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That's just it - there was absolutely nothing wrong conceptually with GMR, it could have easily had portions updated every few years, and remained the flagship, only-one-in-the-world attraction it was.
I have a feeling that it came down to the fact that there were non-Disney IPs in there, and someone decided that was no longer desirable - which, was short-sighted as heck, especially now that Disney owns Fox and between that, what Disney already had, and other acquisitions pretty much gives them free reign to half the movies Hollywood ever made.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think it was non Disney IP AND hydraulic fluid and gears for AAs that did it.
The “replacement” came out of nowhere…but they B!tched about maintaining the ride since pretty much the day the park opened.
Coulda found another way
Europe is a big problem. Energy costs in the UK, Germany, etc are through the roof. This is going to be a difficult winter for them. This will 100% spill over to park attendance
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graphite1326
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So why not just get rid of annual passes? But they still sell them. So he will make money off people who buy annual passes but don't want them there.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No…that’s universal
Disney has done the “buy X, get Y” in the past as well..but it’s usually a base percentage discount somewhere in the line.
You are more Disneyland focused…so I get the concentration on APs…
But what Iger did in Florida was offer temporary coupons and gags while increasing base prices for the post period. And it worked like a charm…aggregate prices have tripled or more on the outside.
So basically your prediction has already come true…in 2015-present.
I always like to post this commercial from 2008 as reference…look at prices after the crash…and today…
That’s not “inflationary”
He got them.
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John park hopper
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European countries will be subsidizing those that can't pay their energy bills. So where does that money come from --those that work and they will have less to spend on vacations ----Disney parks
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Who says they aren’t going too?
They could can Florida’s today and it wouldn’t be a blip.
The problem is California. Not so easy
Spookie2018
Member
Magic Bands don't really cost that much
Genie + - Are you still crying over $15 per day? And if you're local (caring about Tables in Wonderland suggests that you are), you should know that FP+ was awful
Smaller food portions - Beside reading a comment about this, where have you really seen it?
Increased Ticket Prices - Name a time when ticket prices didn't increase. This is not exclusive to the last few years
Higher Crowds - This is Disney's fault?
Waking up before 7AM every day - Don't do it. You'll miss the first Genie + reservation of the day. It's not the end of the world
Having To Be On The Phone Constantly - This one is laughable. People's heads are buried in their phone 24/7, whether it's a Disney app or not.
No Dining Plan - Everyone complained that the Dining Plan dumbed down menus. Now that it's gone, everyone wants it back. It wasn't really a good value. It just had you eating more food.
We will agree to disagree......Are you Chapek? Sounds like it
Chi84
Premium Member
Some people miss the things that were cut more than others. The question is whether those cuts affect you to the point that you'll no longer visit.
FP+ and Tables in Wonderland were both great and I miss them quite a bit. We're not local, but we are DVC and generally visit twice a year. That doesn't mean everyone will miss them. We are happy with a few rides a day as long as they are at convenient times, so FP+ worked great for us. Tables gave us 20% off some pretty expensive bottles of wine.
We noticed smaller food portions at Tangierine Cafe and Flame Tree (pre-COVID) and Satuli (during COVID), but not really anywhere else. The only reason we noticed is that the portions used to be so large that my husband and I split one entree for lunch.
You can still get Genie+ if you don't wake up at 7am, but it's likely you will miss the most popular ride - the one you want. $15 a day isn't bad except we're now paying for a much inferior product. We hate park reservations; they limit flexibility.
We didn't use Magical Express, but we greatly miss the resort airline check-in. I'm sure others don't care at all about this. People are different. And I do feel terrible for families with kids who were able to rely on ME. We don't buy the dining plan, so that doesn't affect us. But we are paying more for food because of the absence of Tables in Wonderland.
Not all people's heads are buried in phones all day, so that just doesn't apply to everyone. Ticket prices do increase everywhere, so that's not so much a factor.
On balance, WDW is moving away from the all-inclusive feel that made it so much fun for us. We've already decided to take the family elsewhere for next year's vacation and are adopting a wait-and-see attitude after that. People absolutely do consider value when planning vacations and they do vote with their wallets. They just may not be voting the way others think they should. It happens.
FP+ and Tables in Wonderland were both great and I miss them quite a bit. We're not local, but we are DVC and generally visit twice a year. That doesn't mean everyone will miss them. We are happy with a few rides a day as long as they are at convenient times, so FP+ worked great for us. Tables gave us 20% off some pretty expensive bottles of wine.
We noticed smaller food portions at Tangierine Cafe and Flame Tree (pre-COVID) and Satuli (during COVID), but not really anywhere else. The only reason we noticed is that the portions used to be so large that my husband and I split one entree for lunch.
You can still get Genie+ if you don't wake up at 7am, but it's likely you will miss the most popular ride - the one you want. $15 a day isn't bad except we're now paying for a much inferior product. We hate park reservations; they limit flexibility.
We didn't use Magical Express, but we greatly miss the resort airline check-in. I'm sure others don't care at all about this. People are different. And I do feel terrible for families with kids who were able to rely on ME. We don't buy the dining plan, so that doesn't affect us. But we are paying more for food because of the absence of Tables in Wonderland.
Not all people's heads are buried in phones all day, so that just doesn't apply to everyone. Ticket prices do increase everywhere, so that's not so much a factor.
On balance, WDW is moving away from the all-inclusive feel that made it so much fun for us. We've already decided to take the family elsewhere for next year's vacation and are adopting a wait-and-see attitude after that. People absolutely do consider value when planning vacations and they do vote with their wallets. They just may not be voting the way others think they should. It happens.
John park hopper
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Gotta be on Bob's payroll
Andrew25
Well-Known Member
I (and I think most people) have no problem with Disney charging a premium for an express/Fastpass system... if it wasn't taking so much capacity away from regular guests.
Perfectly fine with Universal (and every other theme park) charging $150+ a day for Express when significant capacity isn't being taken away from regular standby lines... but the lightning lane to standby ratios are absolutely horrendous.
Perfectly fine with Universal (and every other theme park) charging $150+ a day for Express when significant capacity isn't being taken away from regular standby lines... but the lightning lane to standby ratios are absolutely horrendous.
Chi84
Premium Member
There aren't enough rides at any of the WDW parks that would justify charging $150 a day. Many of the guests at Universal who are using Express Pass are not paying $150 a day.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
That doesn't matter!
Minnesota disney fan
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LOL. I don't know if you are a grandparent, but "older" citizens who are grandparents spend A lot of money. Also, most older people have a lot of disposable money to spend, much more than they did while working. It's a fallacy to think that older people don't spend a lot of money. LOL, I wish that were true - I could have saved a bundle
Chi84
Premium Member
I laughed out loud when I saw the "stingy old people" comment. We also pay for the WDW family vacations.LOL. I don't know if you are a grandparent, but "older" citizens who are grandparents spend A lot of money. Also, most older people have a lot of disposable money to spend, much more than they did while working. It's a fallacy to think that older people don't spend a lot of money. LOL, I wish that were true - I could have saved a bundle
Andrew25
Well-Known Member
There are more than enough people willing to purchase a premium $150+ option. It would obviously be dynamic per each park, but its definitely workable.
GSP Guy
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Yep! My daughter was looking at when to take my grandson for his first visit and was a bit taken aback by the pricing! Of course I told her to hang onto their money.....Paw Paw's got this!LOL. I don't know if you are a grandparent, but "older" citizens who are grandparents spend A lot of money. Also, most older people have a lot of disposable money to spend, much more than they did while working. It's a fallacy to think that older people don't spend a lot of money. LOL, I wish that were true - I could have saved a bundle