News Chapek FIRED, Iger New CEO

Bender123

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Your source on that and the data the source uses to make that claim?
Well...Even Bob says its not making money, but he sure as heckfire hopes it does next year. Lost 1.1 Billion, flat US subscriber numbers and insanely expensive shows. The only way this gets better is to either increase revenue or decrease costs in some way. Good shows would generate new subs, so it looks like thats off the table with Bob going the cost cutting route.

If there was ever a back door admission to the programming not working, its that the goal wasnt primarily on subscriber growth.


 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
Well...Even Bob says its not making money, but he sure as heckfire hopes it does next year.

Not the same as "not looking good." There's a very good chance it'll be profitable in 2024.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Well...Even Bob says its not making money, but he sure as heckfire hopes it does next year.

Everyone in the world knows that D+ has not been making a profit. When introduced, Disney said it won't be profitable its first five years. And it hasn't.

So why, all of a sudden, its lack of profit is a sign of failure?
 

Bender123

Well-Known Member
Everyone in the world knows that D+ has not been making a profit. When introduced, Disney said it won't be profitable its first five years. And it hasn't.

So why, all of a sudden, its lack of profit is a sign of failure?
At some point you need other areas to pick up the slack to carry a loss leader...If Marvel, Lucasfilms or the Parks were going full speed, a loss in a growth division wouldnt be as impactful. The problem now is they dont have that $1 Billion BO from two movies, surefire growth flowing into the subscriber base of D+ and theme park growth that all covers that growing pains.

Right when you would want Disney to be investing into streaming, their strategy has been a financial withdrawal and reduction in investment. Can you really call a service "profitable and successful" with stagnant growth and profitrability coming almost exclusively through cost cutting?
 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
At some point you need other areas to pick up the slack to carry a loss leader...If Marvel, Lucasfilms or the Parks were going full speed, a loss in a growth division wouldnt be as impactful. The problem now is they dont have that $1 Billion BO from two movies, surefire growth flowing into the subscriber base of D+ and theme park growth that all covers that growing pains.

Right when you would want Disney to be investing into streaming, their strategy has been a financial withdrawal and reduction in investment. Can you really call a service "profitable and successful" with stagnant growth and profitrability coming almost exclusively through cost cutting?
Except they ARE going full speed. But fanboys, alt-right bloviators and gullible useful idiots claim otherwise. The reality is the reality. Cope.

Oh, you won't? You refuse to see the truth?

 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Marvel is on an incredible hot streak that continues unabated, but people have been wanting them to fall flat on their face forever. It's the tall poppy syndrome. Cut 'em down to size. So they spread disinformation, and make it harden into reality.

Not disinformation when Disney has been overspending and not getting the ROI for it.
SheHulk?
Ms Marvel?
Moonknight?
What If?

Even WandaVision and Loki before those were on shakey ground. Then nearly all the marvel movies post-pandemic have been avg to down..
QuantumMania?
Thor:L*T
DrStrange

And the main character they have setup for the next phase is having all kinds of image problems... causing more problems with the MCU.

Pixar only 'underperformed" because Chapek and Daniel moved several incredibly strong films to streaming, whereas the success of those movies at the box office, which was very certain, would've boosted Lightyear and Elemental further
Yet, those products haven't found a second push in their post-release lifetimes either have they?

Solo did what it did because of Alan Horn scheduling it when it was. Not the fault of the film, not the fault of Kathleen Kennedy. The vast majority of Star Wars fans I know love and accept everything about it and know that the Disney era completely aligns with what Lucas accomplished.

Yet here we are are 5 years later.. and where does Solo rank in fan hearts and in Disney's pocketbooks?

You can't blame scheduling when the film is rejected by people who can basically watch it for free.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Premium Member
Everyone in the world knows that D+ has not been making a profit. When introduced, Disney said it won't be profitable its first five years. And it hasn't.

So why, all of a sudden, its lack of profit is a sign of failure?
Because there is the inescapable realization that nothing is going to change. On its current trajectory, D+ is a dying platform. The fundamentals of D+ were built on the MCU and Star Wars. Every successive iteration of these franchises on D+ has cost more, been viewed less, and not grown the subscriber base.

The meme becomes a reality.

This Is Fine GIF
 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
Not disinformation when Disney has been overspending and not getting the ROI for it.
SheHulk?
Ms Marvel?
Moonknight?
What If?

Even WandaVision and Loki before those were on shakey ground. Then nearly all the marvel movies post-pandemic have been avg to down..
QuantumMania?
Thor:L*T
DrStrange

And the main character they have setup for the next phase is having all kinds of image problems... causing more problems with the MCU.


Yet, those products haven't found a second push in their post-release lifetimes either have they?



Yet here we are are 5 years later.. and where does Solo rank in fan hearts and in Disney's pocketbooks?

You can't blame scheduling when the film is rejected by people who can basically watch it for free.
So I guess you're the same type of person who says "Netflix never should've made originals, they never could make money?"

There's been a hefty return on investment on these shows. Everyone I know talks about them and the movies all the time. These movies, these shows WORK. Plus, Jonathan Majors' trial is about to begin. And if he wins exoneration, that will all come out in the wash.

These products you talk about HAVE found new life, thank you very much. Again, they've all been well received and warmly accepted. I know because I get out and talk to people, and they all say it.

Solo has not been rejected. The Last Jedi has not been rejected. Rise of Skywalker has not been rejected. The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, all the material to come, it has not been rejected. Again, I know people, on the ground, in person, who accept all of this, accept it all as part of the same world that George Lucas made, and that it all fits perfectly. If you bothered to get out of your silo, you'd know this.

But you never will. Freedom is slavery, after all. So you do you, buddy.
 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
Because there is the inescapable realization that nothing is going to change. On its current trajectory, D+ is a dying platform. The fundamentals of D+ were built on the MCU and Star Wars. Every successive iteration of these franchises on D+ has cost more, been viewed less, and not grown the subscriber base.

The meme becomes a reality.

This Is Fine GIF
You know, the longer people like you keep asserting your prechewed narratives, the more hollow it is.

Take it from some people who know truth, especially in the face of continual media smears:
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Because there is the inescapable realization that nothing is going to change. On its current trajectory, D+ is a dying platform. The fundamentals of D+ were built on the MCU and Star Wars. Every successive iteration of these franchises on D+ has cost more, been viewed less, and not grown the subscriber base.

The meme becomes a reality.

This Is Fine GIF
And yet, Netflix is making a profit. When Disney+ is charging nearly as much as Netflix, it, too, will make a profit. Its losses in the last 2 quarters have declined quarter over quarter.

The shows you deride as not living up to some standard, i.e., your taste, keep hitting Nielsen's top ten.

We'll see what the next quarterly reports bring, but the last two quarters are in the right direction, and if continuing, will lead D+ to profitability.
 

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