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News Chapek FIRED, Iger New CEO
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Chip Chipperson
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No, no, no - he only looks like an exposed appendage.
brb1006
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For those curious, the movie drops around 8 or 9pm EST (similar to other Apple+ and Amazon shows and movies).Looking at the reviews for the new Skydance Animation film Luck. Yikes...It's clear that the studio desperately wants to recapture the magic of classic Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios, almost in an attempt to spite Disney for forcing Lasseter out of the company.
I am reminded somewhat of the early days of DreamWorks when the studio was making films that were Disney movies in all but branding. You know, before they made Shrek. Prince of Egypt was actually a solid movie, though. The reviews for Luck on the other hand...indicate otherwise.
I don't believe in punishing the many talented directors and animators at Skydance Animation because of John Lasseter's actions, but this is a concerning precedent for the studio's future prospects. Whatever you think of Shrek and its impact on animated films afterward, at least it gave DreamWorks an identity that was distinct from being just Disney-lite or copying Pixar.
I just don't know what Skydance's identity is. How do they distinguish themselves from being just an imitation brand Pixar?
Let's just hope that Chapek gives the folks at Pixar the creative room to refind their footing as a studio. They've made some good efforts so far with director-driven ideas like Turning Red, Soul, and Luca. Lightyear was a bit of a misstep, but they can always try again next time with Elemental.
Luck
From Apple Original Films and Skydance Animation comes the story of Sam Greenfield, the unluckiest person in the world! Suddenly finding herself in the never-before-seen Land of Luck, she must unite with the magical creatures there to turn her luck around.www.rottentomatoes.com
brb1006
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Should we tell him about John K? Because I heard a lot (and when I say "A lot" I'm meaning it) of horror stories going on behind the production of Ren and Stimpy involving John K and the team behind the show before getting fired. Then there's his official blog.
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brb1006
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I remember seeing Skydance Animation's first animated project called "Blush" a month or two ago after getting Apple+. If I remember correctly, it was an allegory on coping with the loss of a wife who died of breast cancer. Wanted to bring this up since one of the two rocket ships from that short will be the official logo for Skydance Animation. Similar to The Lamps from Luxo. Jr at Pixar.Looking at the reviews for the new Skydance Animation film Luck. Yikes...It's clear that the studio desperately wants to recapture the magic of classic Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios, almost in an attempt to spite Disney for forcing Lasseter out of the company.
I am reminded somewhat of the early days of DreamWorks when the studio was making films that were Disney movies in all but branding. You know, before they made Shrek. Prince of Egypt was actually a solid movie, though. The reviews for Luck on the other hand...indicate otherwise.
I don't believe in punishing the many talented directors and animators at Skydance Animation because of John Lasseter's actions, but this is a concerning precedent for the studio's future prospects. Whatever you think of Shrek and its impact on animated films afterward, at least it gave DreamWorks an identity that was distinct from being just Disney-lite or copying Pixar.
I just don't know what Skydance's identity is. How do they distinguish themselves from being just an imitation brand Pixar?
Let's just hope that Chapek gives the folks at Pixar the creative room to refind their footing as a studio. They've made some good efforts so far with director-driven ideas like Turning Red, Soul, and Luca. Lightyear was a bit of a misstep, but they can always try again next time with Elemental.
Luck
From Apple Original Films and Skydance Animation comes the story of Sam Greenfield, the unluckiest person in the world! Suddenly finding herself in the never-before-seen Land of Luck, she must unite with the magical creatures there to turn her luck around.
I'm not making an angst, I'm just being honest!
Ugh! John K is even worse. He's a bad cartoonist, his cartoon Ren and Stimpy is gross and atrocious, and yes I've heard about John K. I think both K and Lasseter should get along.
Sir_Cliff
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I haven't really been following them too closely, but at least the initial vibe is very is very similar to when Katzenberg went off to DreamWorks and tried to recreate his success at Disney by making similar types of films. As you say, I think they'll need to find something more compelling than being 'the new Pixar' as 'the old Pixar' seems to be doing fine as it is in filling the Pixar niche.
Even as someone who uses a lot of Apple products and hearing good things about stuff like Ted Lasso, I've always found Apple TV one of the less compelling streaming services. Thinking about it, this may suggest Disney made the right move in investing big and early on new content for Disney+ as it has come right out of the gate with a lot to offer. I think it will be hard for AppleTV to ever overcome the sense that it has a relatively slim library in a crowded marketplace and seems more like a boutique offering compared to the almost essential services such as Netflix and Disney+.
lazyboy97o
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Apple as of now has said they want to be a more boutique offering and made a deliberate decision to not go on a Netflix-style production spree. I can't imagine many people have dedicated Apple TV+ plus subscriptions, with it being something a lot of people get for free or bundled with Apple One.
If Apple was looking for content and studios, it'd be in the current hunt for Starz/Liongate, which is actively trying to find someone to buy them out... And Apple ain't one of the suitors.
brb1006
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Even Ralph Bakshi (John K's mentor) knew that his ego would get the best of him. Once saying that "He got lucky" when Ren and Stimpy became a success compared to John's other attempts at animation... which barely went anywhere.
brb1006
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Knowing John K's hatred for Disney, Pixar, and preference of old school animation (especially from The Fleischers) over CGI. I don't see that ever happening. Heck, Ralph Bakshi used to be John K's mentor who wasn't fond of Disney.I'm not making an angst, I'm just being honest!
Ugh! John K is even worse. He's a bad cartoonist, his cartoon Ren and Stimpy is gross and atrocious, and yes I've heard about John K. I think both K and Lasseter should get along.
lazyboy97o
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People have been saying this for years and it still hasn’t happened. The opportunities have been there and they have done nothing. The closest is Iger’s fantasy that he was going to merge Disney with Apple.
WizardofDestiny123
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I think Bakshi was also critical of John K's ineptitude at keeping to deadlines while on Ren and Stimpy, as well as on Mighty Mouse.
Apple seems content to mostly arrange 2 to 5 year deals with independent studios for them to create content, the most notable being A24. They don't seem to be in an Iger mood and start buying those studios outright.
Apple seems to realize that maybe a deep library would help, but hasn't done much to make that happen. See...
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Apple seems to realize that maybe a deep library would help, but hasn't done much to make that happen. See...
Apple TV+ - Wikipedia
Apple TV+ - Wikipedia
WizardofDestiny123
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It also doesn't hurt that they're one of the biggest companies in the world.Apple seems content to mostly arrange 2 to 5 year deals with independent studios for them to create content, the most notable being A24. They don't seem to be in an Iger mood and start buying those studios outright.
Apple seems to realize that maybe a deep library would help, but hasn't done much to make that happen. See...
Apple TV+ - Wikipedia
Apple TV+ - Wikipedia
It's still a source of concern when a part of the company is losing money consistently for a decade. Shareholders and board members start asking questions.
When I say John K. and John Lasseter should get along, I meant that in sarcasm. Of course John K. hates Disney. What else is new?
I've speculated before that there some version of reality that we might have branched off from, or may still yet exist where Apple and the Walt Disney Company are the same entity.
JoeCamel
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Decisions, decisions, consequences, consequences....
Sir_Cliff
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It is curious to me why they'd want a streaming service at this boutique level that doesn't seem to have much potential to generate profits beyond the fact everyone's doing it right now.