Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

[ImperfectPixie]

And yet, these retail companies and Amazon themselves are the biggest earners in all time even during a pandemic.

Reminds me of how Elon Musk is b**g and crying about his 11 billion in taxes, when he has an effective rate of 14%, lower than almost every single person out there (maybe Trump)
11 billions he could get back in 3 days of a single PRIME day sales event... with the largest fortune known to man at 280 billion.
All while forcing his warehouse workers to die of severe weather because they had no permit to seek shelter during work hours. Or the infamous scandals of forcing them to pee in bottles to meet the deadline.

Many companies sure as hell can afford bigger salaries. They just choose not to because of Wall Street, Greed and because they can get away with it thanks to corporatism propaganda in politics.

Its like "Remember kids, when your poverty level employee who is about to get bankrupted and thrown in the streets asks for a raise, call him a socialism scum!"

Isn't it lovely how so many Americans were conned into believing that corporations have no choice but to treat people like garbage? It's freaking criminal.

 

[larryz]

Reminds me of how Elon Musk is b**g and crying about his 11 billion in taxes, when he has an effective rate of 14%, lower than almost every single person out there (maybe Trump)

Not lower than mine. And I don't jump thru tax loopholes to do it.

 

[larryz]

Isn't it lovely how so many Americans were conned into believing that corporations have no choice but to treat people like garbage? It's freaking criminal.

... we are talking about Christmas bonuses here, something both good and evil corporations have provided their employees in the present (see what I did there?) and past.

 

[larryz]

This, different era, things change.

The infamous meme about becomes relevant again.
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Please take your anti-Boomer tirade off to the Social Ills and Diseases forum... we are talking about Christmas bonuses here, something both good and evil Boomers have provided their employees in the present (see what I did there?) and past.

 

[Cesar R M]

Not lower than mine. And I don't jump thru tax loopholes to do it.

Well, I did not mention the land he gets for free for setting his warehouses around states... or the multi year contracts where he is tax free as long he creates some jobs.

Please take your anti-Boomer tirade off to the Social Ills and Diseases forum... we are talking about Christmas bonuses here, something both good and evil Boomers have provided their employees in the present (see what I did there?) and past.

Using that excuse, you and your group should take your pro corporate propaganda full of narcissism and elitism out of this talk as well

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Please take your anti-corporate tirade off to the Social Ills and Diseases forum... we are talking about Christmas bonuses here, something both good and evil corporations have provided their employees in the present (see what I did there?) and past.

If you read the whole thread, you'll see that there is a lack of Christmas or end-of-year bonuses for many...which is why the conversation shifted.

 

[Ayla]

And yet, these retail companies and Amazon themselves are the biggest earners in all time even during a pandemic.

Reminds me of how Elon Musk is b**g and crying about his 11 billion in taxes, when he has an effective rate of 14%, lower than almost every single person out there (maybe Trump)
11 billions he could get back in 3 days of a single PRIME day sales event... with the largest fortune known to man at 280 billion.
All while forcing his warehouse workers to die of severe weather because they had no permit to seek shelter during work hours. Or the infamous scandals of forcing them to pee in bottles to meet the deadline.

Many companies sure as hell can afford bigger salaries. They just choose not to because of Wall Street, Greed and because they can get away with it thanks to corporatism propaganda in politics.

Its like "Remember kids, when your poverty level employee who is about to get bankrupted and thrown in the streets asks for a raise, call him a socialism scum!"



Noone is saying that everysingle person should have a bonus.
Everyone is saying that they could get incentives after a job well done, doing their best to push thru pandemic and negative working conditions or for having been loyal for the company after X years.

"Corporations are set up to reward by merit, not existence. I agree with that."
Except that is rarely served now... as mentioned before.. Corporate now takes all your efforts, your ideas, etc.. calls you a good job and the bonuses these create are moved to the top for executive bonuses. You will be darn lucky to get a raise. At most? a fruit basked or a one time bonus.

Infact, I've noticed more and more that you grow more with connections and friends than actual hard labour if you're on the bottom ladder.
Once you're in the executive level or managerial, seems to get much easier.


Kinda like the hilarity of "work hard, bill gates made his fortune from nothing". Except he got her mother in IBM's board and convinced them to invest.
Or the large loans from family members, inheritances other large starters did use for their business(yes, its not a guarantee of success.. but sure as hell gives you a huge headstart to your competitors)

You're mixing up different people. Elon Musk is the trust fund baby complaining about the taxes he should (and hasn't) paid.

Jeff Bezos is the Amazon guy, who also doesn't pay taxes on his billions.

 

[larryz]

Using that excuse, you and your group should take your pro corporate propaganda full of narcissism and elitism out of this talk as well

There's nothing narcissistic or elitist about discussing whether or not you got a Christmas bonus. So I'm staying. And I'm hardly a free-market capitalist who blindly supports what Wall Street has done to the American corporation.

But I am confused, based on your complaints, as to why you are here. Walt Disney was a capitalist, and the company that bears his name and runs the parks is one of those corporations you don't seem to like.

So why don't you vote with your wallet -- and your keyboard -- and quit spending your money and time supporting them?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There's nothing narcissistic or elitist about discussing whether or not you got a Christmas bonus. So I'm staying. And I'm hardly a free-market capitalist who blindly supports what Wall Street has done to the American corporation.

But I am confused, based on your complaints, as to why you are here. Walt Disney was a capitalist, and the company that bears his name and runs the parks is one of those corporations you don't seem to like.

So why don't you vote with your wallet -- and your keyboard -- and quit spending your money and time supporting them?

The Disney Company lost it's way in the last 5-10 years...they used to care about guest experience. I really believe the beginning of the fall was when they discontinued the DVD replacement program.

 

[larryz]

The Disney Company lost it's way in the last 5-10 years...they used to care about guest experience. I really believe the beginning of the fall was when they discontinued the DVD replacement program.

I'm sure that was a big disappointment to many.

Some would say Disney's downfall was when ABC took them over disguised as a Disney buyout. Much like what happened to Boeing when they "bought" McDonnell-Douglas.

But I don't know if either of those events resulted in Christmas bonuses being paid to either workforces. (See what I did there?)

 

[eliza61nyc]

You're failing to take into account that the jobs teenagers did back in the 70s and 80s are now often being taken by adults - because there aren't enough "real jobs" (because there are 103,000,000 more people now), and that entry level positions are asking for ridiculous levels of credentials, and that the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation but cost of living has gone through the roof (gee, I can't imagine who influences cost of living and wages...here's a hint: generally the same group of people), or that Walmart and Amazon and other huge companies have put tons of mom and pop shops out of business (you know...businesses that actually gave a crap about the communities in which they were located), that corporations cannot be trusted to treat people fairly (don't forget...sweat-shops and child labor were things until we outlawed them - don't fool yourself into thinking corporations wouldn't still use those practices if they could), or that unions were painted as bad on purpose to serve the wants of specific people, etc. etc.

These corporations are posting BILLIONS in profits every year, and the same people who make the most money from those profits are the same people who have the most influence over the cost of living...they're having their cake and eating it, too, and it's not right on many, many levels and is unsustainable.

You're failing to take into account that the jobs teenagers did back in the 70s and 80s are now often being taken by adults - because there aren't enough "real jobs" (because there are 103,000,000 more people now), and that entry level positions are asking for ridiculous levels of credentials, and that the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation but cost of living has gone through the roof (gee, I can't imagine who influences cost of living and wages...here's a hint: generally the same group of people), or that Walmart and Amazon and other huge companies have put tons of mom and pop shops out of business (you know...businesses that actually gave a crap about the communities in which they were located), that corporations cannot be trusted to treat people fairly (don't forget...sweat-shops and child labor were things until we outlawed them - don't fool yourself into thinking corporations wouldn't still use those practices if they could), or that unions were painted as bad on purpose to serve the wants of specific people, etc. etc.

These corporations are posting BILLIONS in profits every year, and the same people who make the most money from those profits are the same people who have the most influence over the cost of living...they're having their cake and eating it, too, and it's not right on many, many levels and is unsustainable.

But that doesn't make the job worth more. I don't give a darn if your 15 or 55 flipping burgers is a low wage unskilled job. What some how it's magically harder because an adult does it? That's ridiculous.
No I totally admit minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, heck salaries have not kept up in many cases but again minimum wage was not meant for a person to stay at for 50 years. There's a reason it's called minimum and entry level.

Now I honestly can't say who influences the cost of living, don't know enough to argue that.

Walmart didn't put mom and pop out of business John q public did. We wanted that tee shirt for 3 bucks. Talk about wanting their cake and eat it too. yes we want to make 45/ hr in a low skilled job and we want all our good for cheap and we want to not have to do what it takes to move up.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

But that doesn't make the job worth more. I don't give a darn if your 15 or 55 flipping burgers is a low wage unskilled job. What some how it's magically harder because an adult does it? That's ridiculous.
No I totally admit minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, heck salaries have not kept up in many cases but again minimum wage was not meant for a person to stay at for 50 years. There's a reason it's called minimum and entry level.

Now I honestly can't say who influences the cost of living, don't know enough to argue that.

Walmart didn't put mom and pop out of business John q public did. We wanted that tee shirt for 3 bucks. Talk about wanting their cake and eat it too. yes we want to make 45/ hr in a low skilled job and we want all our good for cheap and we want to not have to do what it takes to move up.

And why do people need to find clothing so cheap? Because the cost of living has outpaced wages by miles.

No one is advocating for the ridiculousness that you claim they are. People are merely expecting for employees to be treated better and paid a wage in which 40 hours of work is enough to pay for one person to live a humble, but acceptable, lifestyle.

That you think someone making your food or making sure you can shop isn't worth a living wage speaks volumes.

 

[John park hopper]

After WW II the US was the major manufacturer of goods sold all around the world. Europe was in ruins as was Asia and US workers could demand higher pay and benefits. Under the Marshal plan we got these countries back on their feet and their economies growing thus competing against us. In an effort to continue to supply the US market with cheap goods we off shored way too much of our manufacturing i.e. textiles, electronics, steel, auto industry, pharmaceuticals --the list is endless. Blue collar jobs which allowed a kid out if high school to earn decent wage and raise a family were gone. At the same time we have added over 100 million people most unskilled competing for jobs once done by teenagers. Blame it on global corporations who really don't care about the worker they move to China and when workers there demand better pay they move to Vietnam so on and so on. Companies could pay the floor sweeper 45/hr but then the skilled staff will demand more-- it's a never ending cycle and who ultimately pays the consumer. Bottom line there will always be crap low paying jobs just my 2 cents

 

[RobWDW1971]

And why do people need to find clothing so cheap? Because the cost of living has outpaced wages by miles.

No one is advocating for the ridiculousness that you claim they are. People are merely expecting for employees to be treated better and paid a wage in which 40 hours of work is enough to pay for one person to live a humble, but acceptable, lifestyle.

That you think someone making your food or making sure you can shop isn't worth a living wage speaks volumes.

Putting well-intended emotion aside, how exactly would that work in the real world?

In Orlando (or Anaheim) what exactly should a person working the grill in a theme park fast food location make per hour?

Do the following people all make exactly the same or do you adjust their pay based on their personal life choices even though they are providing the exact same service/output for the employer?

- A teenager living with his parents just working for gas and date money
- A single mom with two kids
- A head of household with a spouse and three kids to support

What, specifically, does each of these people working at the grill get paid per hour?

Also, if the restaurant only needs them 30 hours/week, what then?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Putting well-intended emotion aside, how exactly would that work in the real world?

In Orlando (or Anaheim) what exactly should a person working the grill in a theme park fast food location make per hour?

Do the following people all make exactly the same or do you adjust their pay based on their personal life choices even though they are providing the exact same service/output for the employer?

- A teenager living with his parents just working for gas and date money
- A single mom with two kids
- A head of household with a spouse and three kids to support

What, specifically, does each of these people working at the grill get paid per hour?

Also, if the restaurant only needs them 30 hours/week, what then?

What do mom & pop owned restaurants do?

Part of the problem is that in many cases people accept a full-time position, but aren't given full-time hours as a means for companies to avoid giving benefits.

 

[PixarPerfect]

Are you saying mom and pop-owned restaurants pay people different wages to do the same job? That they're showing deliberate bias against other workers and rewarding another based on personal feelings toward an individual's lifestyle? HR would have a field day with that one.

Someone making upwards of $60,000 a year would require $28+ per hour at 40 hours per week. Add to that the benefits the company pays, PTO, onboarding costs, management, etc. and that individual will probably end up costing the company well over $100,000 per year (at least $48/hour). To cover that, they would have to raise the costs of the burgers to unbelievable rates, just to turn a profit. Make no mistake, companies deserve to make a profit - they're the ones who take all the risk and manage all of the daily costs and headaches to bring those burgers to the world. The real question is, how much would the rest of us have to earn to afford a $35-45 counter service burger?

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

No. Someone who is bad at their job or who obviously only does the bare minimum to skate by (these people are easy to spot - like the kid at Dollar Tree who couldn't figure out how to wrap a mug in newspaper, or my SIL who couldn't figure out why the bank she was fired from was so upset that her drawer was constantly short) should be fired. The problem is that GOOD employees are being treated as if they're disposable.

YEs, you hit the nail on the head with good employees being treated as disposable.
For instance, after I retired from our hospital, a new company took over.
The first thing they did was get rid of the experienced RN's. Not kidding. If you worked there for 15 years for example and made the top wages, you were the first to go. They hired new RN's right out of college to replace experienced nurses. They just had to have their Bachelor's degree to get hired. You can guess how the level of care went down for that hospital's reputation.
Who would you rather have care for your loved ones who need hospitalization, a brand new grad or an RN with 15 years experience?
Right. But that corporation wanted to cut costs no matter what. Very sad, and I am glad I retired before that.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Are you saying mom and pop-owned restaurants pay people different wages to do the same job? That they're showing deliberate bias against other workers and rewarding another based on personal feelings toward an individual's lifestyle? HR would have a field day with that one.

Someone making upwards of $60,000 a year would require $28+ per hour at 40 hours per week. Add to that the benefits the company pays, PTO, onboarding costs, management, etc. and that individual will probably end up costing the company well over $100,000 per year (at least $48/hour). To cover that, they would have to raise the costs of the burgers to unbelievable rates, just to turn a profit. Make no mistake, companies deserve to make a profit - they're the ones who take all the risk and manage all of the daily costs and headaches to bring those burgers to the world. The real question is, how much would the rest of us have to earn to afford a $35-45 counter service burger?

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that they don't expect full-time workers to work for next to nothing because they know they depend on those workers for their business to function.

Also...way to put words into people's mouths. No one here is arguing for $60,000/year minimum wage.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Are you saying mom and pop-owned restaurants pay people different wages to do the same job? That they're showing deliberate bias against other workers and rewarding another based on personal feelings toward an individual's lifestyle? HR would have a field day with that one.

Someone making upwards of $60,000 a year would require $28+ per hour at 40 hours per week. Add to that the benefits the company pays, PTO, onboarding costs, management, etc. and that individual will probably end up costing the company well over $100,000 per year (at least $48/hour). To cover that, they would have to raise the costs of the burgers to unbelievable rates, just to turn a profit. Make no mistake, companies deserve to make a profit - they're the ones who take all the risk and manage all of the daily costs and headaches to bring those burgers to the world. The real question is, how much would the rest of us have to earn to afford a $35-45 counter service burger?

How is a Double Double so cheap?

 

[Lilofan]

Are you saying mom and pop-owned restaurants pay people different wages to do the same job? That they're showing deliberate bias against other workers and rewarding another based on personal feelings toward an individual's lifestyle? HR would have a field day with that one.

Someone making upwards of $60,000 a year would require $28+ per hour at 40 hours per week. Add to that the benefits the company pays, PTO, onboarding costs, management, etc. and that individual will probably end up costing the company well over $100,000 per year (at least $48/hour). To cover that, they would have to raise the costs of the burgers to unbelievable rates, just to turn a profit. Make no mistake, companies deserve to make a profit - they're the ones who take all the risk and manage all of the daily costs and headaches to bring those burgers to the world. The real question is, how much would the rest of us have to earn to afford a $35-45 counter service burger?

There is a panini sandwich at DCA that costs $100 that is supposed to feed a whole family.