Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

[RobWDW1971]

Such a simple answer. Thank you.

Here the rest of the country has been thinking it was something else. How nice it is to find out that it has had nothing to do with a chunk of the population taking early retirement packages. Or federal and state benefits and loans paid out. Or extended unemployment and deferred rent and student loan payments. Or even fears of catching a virus that has killed millions.

It turns out that the current labor shortage is all because people have had enough of working at inhumane sweatshops like Disney World and found their money elsewh... Actually, where did they find the money that is replacing their jobs? And they're paying their bills and saving for retirement, how...?

<<<crash>>>

Exactly. People act like millions of workers suddenly rose up and quit their jobs as part of some moral protest and then just magically went without a paycheck for months.

 

[seabreezept813]

Lol actually I think it's the other way around. Most older folks know exactly how large companies work. It's the youngins who show up and think they are "owed" something simply because they breathe.
This entire thread is about the youngins crying because they did not get a Christmas gift from the boss

I’m a teacher and we didn’t even get a Happy New Year email.. I think the government should ban tiktok, that would be the greatest gift for teachers

 

[Goofyernmost]

Er, no. How did you get that, "I support less than acceptable performance as something commendable and worthy of high maintenance," from my repeated comments saying rewards should be reserved for superstars and people who perform well and not for everyone?

Without going into the years of work I put into my assistant's case, he had been basically written off as an employee when I was hired as an exec. I was told in the interview that I should probably fire him and hire someone else. I chose to give him a chance and in short order he showed moments of real initiative, which I fostered. I saw that he had potential and only needed guidance. When he stepped up and went above and beyond, I rewarded him. That encouraged him and by the time I left the company (to move up to a higher exec role), he was a treasured member of the staff and ready to move up himself.

This whole discussion started with people complaining that Disney didn't give out holiday bonuses to all employees. Holiday bonuses are no longer common with most corporations preferring spot and merit-based bonuses instead. Rewards tied to performance have been proven more effective than blanket gifts.

I apologize, I did indeed read that wrong. What you did was try to downshift him and I saw it completely different when I read about you sending him home to adjust his attitude. Not those exact words but that is how I read it. Again sorry, you were making some very positive moves to stop him from burning out. However, most of the type A's that I ever met were exactly what you described him as. He probably wasn't likely to a burnout, but he might have thought he was a threat to you because of his ambition and you were trying to hold him back. Maybe not, but possible.

You guys can quibble about whether or not mediocrity should be awarded while there are millions of hard working Americans slaving away at crappy jobs with low pay and it's their fault to expect anything different, apparently. Musn't hurt the feel feels of shareholder boomers of a different era!

Kind of Ironic when the guy in your avatar had an Uncle and a Father, and probably himself who practiced those exact moves. Walt himself was a low paying task master with something akin to a cult following. The real error in your thinking is that really erroneous thought that raising wages actually accomplishes anything when it comes to tier standings of all employee situations. There will always be the lowest paid set and if raises are brought about across the board to pay for those higher low end jobs inflations will eat it all up instantly and even with a bigger looking number it will not really change anything over time. There indeed will always be some people worth more than others and will be paid more. That discrepancy will never change in a capitalistic economic setup. Right now it is the way at the top executives that have grown exponentially in the salary department. On that end I agree. No one is worth what those clowns are drawing down. The trickle down systems dries up at the top and goes no further than the level just below.

 

[eliza61nyc]

I’m a teacher and we didn’t even get a Happy New Year email.. I think the government should ban tiktok, that would be the greatest gift for teachers

I really don't get the tiktok craze

 

[eliza61nyc]

I'd love to know what the benefits of defending huge corporations treating people like garbage are...the only ones benefitting are the corporations. Apparently attempting to reduce poverty is a bad thing.

I absolutely have no issues trying to reduce poverty. Now imo the better way to do that is to move people out of low wage jobs through skill training and education, not by artificially inflating salaries to unsustainable levels.
Now I did some quick, very quick math, I NEVER LIVED IN ORLANDO so this is just info from a quick Google search. Average price of a 1 bedroom apt in Orlando seems to be ~1200 bucks a month ( again I just googled average price,) so if we follow the money gurus and say your rent should be no more than 30% of you monthly salary then the person would need to bring home 4000 a month x12. 48000 or around 22 bucks an hour.
And your saying every position in every job should pay that minimum??
And that is not even figuring out how to pat for everything else

 

[JoeCamel]

I absolutely have no issues trying to reduce poverty. Now imo the better way to do that is to move people out of low wage jobs through skill training and education, not by artificially inflating salaries to unsustainable levels.
Now I did some quick, very quick math, I NEVER LIVED IN ORLANDO so this is just info from a quick Google search. Average price of a 1 bedroom apt in Orlando seems to be ~1200 bucks a month , so if we follow the money gurus and say your rent should be no more than 30% of you monthly salary then the person would need to bring home 4000 a month x12. 48000 or around 22 bucks an hour.
And your saying every position in every job should pay that minimum??
And that is not even figuring out how to pat for everything else

Your base rates are out of date

 

[eliza61nyc]

Your base rates are out of date

Is it more?? Like I said I just googled. It said between 1200-1400 a month in 2020

 

[JoeCamel]

Is it more?? Like I said I just googled. It said between 1200-1400 a month in 2020

Seems if you want to be in a safe or decent area it is more like 2K now

 

[jlhwdw]

At minimum, $15,500-$16,000 for a decent and safe one bedroom. But our wages are....

 

[ImperfectPixie]

At minimum, $15,500-$16,000 for a decent and safe one bedroom. But our wages are....

A studio apartment in MA is currently about $1000-ish per month. MA is more expensive to live in than FL.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Seems if you want to be in a safe or decent area it is more like 2K now

Ouch, so that 60 grand a year isn't as insane as some made it out.
I won't talk about NYC because it's an alien universe lol no one knows how it works

 

[Quinnmac000]

And people forget there are additionally necessities today that were not there as a requirement compared to the early 200s.

Cell Phone+Internet are too added expenses that are practically requirements for employees these days.

 

[JoeCamel]

And people forget there are additionally necessities today that were not there as a requirement compared to the early 200s.

Cell Phone+Internet are too added expenses that are practically requirements for employees these days.

And theme park customers
Think they give a bonus next year? I don't
Traditions you know?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Are Christmas bonuses is an American thing? Here in the UK its not something I’ve heard of. American shows and movies always show bonuses and big parties at Christmas

One of the quirks I found out when I moved to The Netherlands is that we get a "holiday allowance" on top of our salary that gets paid out around May or June and then a "13th month" which is basically a Christmas bonus on top of the annual salary in December. They each come in at around 8% of your annual salary.

Not sure how voluntary these bonuses are, but I am happy to get them!

 

[donaldtoo]

One of the quirks I found out when I moved to The Netherlands is that we get a "holiday allowance" on top of our salary that gets paid out around May or June and then a "13th month" which is basically a Christmas bonus on top of the annual salary in December. They each come in at around 8% of your annual salary.

Not sure how voluntary these bonuses are, but I am happy to get them!

I have worked for an architectural firm here in Texas for a combined almost 28 years (was laid off during the recession in ‘09, but, was rehired in ‘13).
During all those years, I never went without a Christmas bonus, and 2020 was the only year we went without a Christmas party (Covid). My Christmas bonus was substantially larger in 2020, and I figured it was because they didn’t spend the money for a Christmas party. But, this year we had both a fancy Christmas party at a downtown hotel, and my Christmas bonus was the same as last year.
And, on top of that, I also received an 8% pay raise this year.
They definitely don’t have to do any of that, but, we also do work our butts off for them, so they choose to reward us well. Good move.
Along with such things as occasional office-provided lunches, office events, etc., it makes for much productivity, and a pretty darn good work environment.

 

[Lilofan]

At minimum, $15,500-$16,000 for a decent and safe one bedroom. But our wages are....

But you're talking washer dryer inside apt, central AC , clubhouse, tennis courts, swimming pools, gated , tennis courts right? In a few northern states that might get you a 1 bedroom in an old building, common laundry in the basement, wall AC in the living room, smaller square footage etc,

 

[PixarPerfect]

I apologize, I did indeed read that wrong. What you did was try to downshift him and I saw it completely different when I read about you sending him home to adjust his attitude. Not those exact words but that is how I read it. Again sorry, you were making some very positive moves to stop him from burning out. However, most of the type A's that I ever met were exactly what you described him as. He probably wasn't likely to a burnout, but he might have thought he was a threat to you because of his ambition and you were trying to hold him back. Maybe not, but possible.

No worries - it's far too easy to rapid-read intent on these message boards. Thank you for your apology.

As for a threat? Not even a little bit, lol. I routinely gave him credit for his work with leadership and promoted him from an assistant to a higher title (with raise) on my team. No, instead I sent him home for reasons like he'd worked to 10PM each night early that week or had an especially grueling project list. He was mentally and/or physically tired and it was more important for him to take a break and come back fresh than for me to have an assistant that day.

 

[PixarPerfect]

When I was in my early 20s (almost 30 years ago), rent was in the $1,000-1,400 per month range in a sketchier neighborhood with no amenities. I couldn't afford it on my low-level salaries, which is why I had to have roommates. I did that until I was married, and then we because a 2-income family.

Yes, housing is expensive and pay has not kept up. It is a huge issue. But for our discussion here we should keep in mind that people in lower-level jobs have always struggled to cover a home's cost on their own. That's not a new problem.

 

[larryz]

Disney isn’t choosing to go with lower staff. They have jobs posted. They’re offering $3,000 hiring bonuses for line cooks. Even a dishwasher can get $1,000.

But then you're still a line cook or a dishwasher, making what Disney pays line cooks and dishwashers.

You know, there are places experimenting with guaranteed minimum incomes. Guess who pays for that. Hint: taxpayers.

 

[Quinnmac000]

When I was in my early 20s (almost 30 years ago), rent was in the $1,000-1,400 per month range in a sketchier neighborhood with no amenities. I couldn't afford it on my low-level salaries, which is why I had to have roommates. I did that until I was married, and then we because a 2-income family.

Yes, housing is expensive and pay has not kept up. It is a huge issue. But for our discussion here we should keep in mind that people in lower-level jobs have always struggled to cover a home's cost on their own. That's not a new problem.

People are too crazy these days. I get the roommates things but generally speaking times have changed in which you could generally give people a benefit of a doubt.