Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

[John park hopper]

YEs, you hit the nail on the head with good employees being treated as disposable.
For instance, after I retired from our hospital, a new company took over.
The first thing they did was get rid of the experienced RN's. Not kidding. If you worked there for 15 years for example and made the top wages, you were the first to go. They hired new RN's right out of college to replace experienced nurses. They just had to have their Bachelor's degree to get hired. You can guess how the level of care went down for that hospital's reputation.
Who would you rather have care for your loved ones who need hospitalization, a brand new grad or an RN with 15 years experience?
Right. But that corporation wanted to cut costs no matter what. Very sad, and I am glad I retired before that.

Oh so true my wife began working at a hospital here in SC 6 months before it opened writing procedures etc. She worked there 30 years and at 25 years she was recognized and warded the outstanding nurse of the year. The hospital expanded into a new facility and my wife trained new (just out of school)nurses. As an ICU/ER nurse she was at the top of her pay grade sure enough one day they came into her office and said pack your things up "reducing staff position eliminated" and let her go. She got a severance package but it didn't compensate for the years of dedicated service and the countless holidays she had to work. Age and pay grade corporate bottom line.

 

[PixarPerfect]

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that they don't expect full-time workers to work for next to nothing because they know they depend on those workers for their business to function.

Also...way to put words into people's mouths. No one here is arguing for $60,000/year minimum wage.

Yes, but mom and pops aren't known for staying in business. The majority of them fail or are bought out. What is it, 3 of 5 businesses fail? Some survive, sure, but of those, a percentage "grow up" to become the evil corporations who follow normal corporate practices despised here. The majority are ones that barely hang and don't exactly meet our modern high standards of customer experience (fresh and well decorated buildings, great prices, new stock).

I believe the 60K number has been thrown about earlier on. Even if it hasn't been, there are calculators out there that suggest "living wage" rates by state. A quick Google search found this one, which suggests a living wage in California is $57,000: https://research.zippia.com/living-wage.html I rounded up.

 

[eliza61nyc]

And why do people need to find clothing so cheap? Because the cost of living has outpaced wages by miles.

No one is advocating for the ridiculousness that you claim they are. People are merely expecting for employees to be treated better and paid a wage in which 40 hours of work is enough to pay for one person to live a humble, but acceptable, lifestyle.

That you think someone making your food or making sure you can shop isn't worth a living wage speaks volumes.

Translation: I want the money, I just want it on my terms because the company owes me what I feel I'm worth for no other reason than I show up.

Lol I admit, I'm more of a "realist" throughout life , it wasn't that difficult for me to count and even at an early age I figured out no company owed me anything except what I agreed to and I definitely did not blame a company for my station in life and if I did I sure as heck didn't stay for decades and then blame them
I'm good with that.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Oh so true my wife began working at a hospital here in SC 6 months before it opened writing procedures etc. She worked there 30 years and at 25 years she was recognized and warded the outstanding nurse of the year. The hospital expanded into a new facility and my wife trained new (just out of school)nurses. As an ICU/ER nurse she was at the top of her pay grade sure enough one day they came into her office and said pack your things up "reducing staff position eliminated" and let her go. She got a severance package but it didn't compensate for the years of dedicated service and the countless holidays she had to work. Age and pay grade corporate bottom line.

That is so sad, and there's nothing you can do about it. You are just a bottom line number to them, not an experienced, highly skilled RN.
I wonder who the management likes to take care of them if they are in the hospital? I worked ICU too before I retired. Believe me, they earn their money! I think it's rotten what happened to your wife. I hope she found another good hospital to work for? I also worked homecare and hospice. We had an excellent RN who worked hospice. She was admired and looked up to as the best there was. Then the bean counters bought the hospital, and they tried to fire her. She had the highest seniority and pay scale and was union. She fought them for a while, but in the end she quit. They tried all types of dirty tricks to get her fired per union rules. It took the life out of her, and I don't think she ever worked again. It's a shame. Don't they realize RN's are highly trained and skilled and with experience, they have seen it all? Sorry for the rant, but it still irritates me.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

I don't give a darn if your 15 or 55 flipping burgers is a low wage unskilled job.

Tell that to the best burger chain around, In-N-Out Burger

 

[ImperfectPixie]

according to folks here you would have to pay the guy with a family a lot more because the company makes a lot of money and he deserves more because he has a bigger family and needs to live like he wants too

No one has even come close to saying that.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

My wife was 53 and I told her we can make it on my salary so she have up nursing much to her dismay. I will be having surgery in 2 weeks and she will be staying in my room. I trust her medical knowledge and experience 100% .

I hope all goes well with your surgery. At least you will have excellent care, and she will demand it of others.

 

[RobWDW1971]

Yes, but mom and pops aren't known for staying in business. The majority of them fail or are bought out. What is it, 3 of 5 businesses fail? Some survive, sure, but of those, a percentage "grow up" to become the evil corporations who follow normal corporate practices despised here. The majority are ones that barely hang and don't exactly meet our modern high standards of customer experience (fresh and well decorated buildings, great prices, new stock).

I believe the 60K number has been thrown about earlier on. Even if it hasn't been, there are calculators out there that suggest "living wage" rates by state. A quick Google search found this one, which suggests a living wage in California is $57,000: https://research.zippia.com/living-wage.html I rounded up.

OK, good, now we have an actual number to discuss.

So, to clarify, is it your position that a person who walks in off the street, with no experience, who sells churros out of a cart at Disneyland should make $57,000 (not including benefits, perks, etc.)? That's about $27.50/hour using rough math.

Also, does an 18 year old recently graduated from high school living with his parents make the same as a head of a household with five kids?

Or does everybody who does that job make $57,000/year regardless of their personal "living wage" needs?

Also, does a person stocking shelves in the local mom and pop grocery store also get paid $57,000?

Again, just clarifying your position.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Nobody has said anything close to that. It’s weird how you have to keep going to things not being said.

Oh please that's exactly what is implied. No matter what the position or skill level, every one who works for Disney is entitled to a great wage not based on skill or qualifications but sorely because Disney or insert any major company is big and owes something to their employees.
You can wrap in up in a fancy bow, it's the same crap

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh please that's exactly what is implied. No matter what the position or skill level, every one who works for Disney is entitled to a great wage not based on skill or qualifications but sorely because Disney or insert any major company is big and owes something to their employees.
You can wrap in up in a fancy bow, it's the same crap

Nope. But I’m sure you love the idea that venues at Disney are still closed instead of Disney doing more to retain staff.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Nope. But I’m sure you love the idea that venues at Disney are still closed instead of Disney doing more to retain staff.

And covid had nothing to do with that?
The last time we were there was last September and covid still had a number of things shut down.

 

[PixarPerfect]

OK, good, now we have an actual number to discuss.

So, to clarify, is it your position that a person who walks in off the street, with no experience, who sells churros out of a cart at Disneyland should make $57,000 (not including benefits, perks, etc.)? That's about $27.50/hour using rough math.

Also, does an 18 year old recently graduated from high school living with his parents make the same as a head of a household with five kids?

Or does everybody who does that job make $57,000/year regardless of their personal "living wage" needs?

Also, does a person stocking shelves in the local mom and pop grocery store also get paid $57,000?

Again, just clarifying your position.

My position? No, but I'd bet I'd be considered an evil corporate type around here. The numbers I shared were in response to other posters who suggest everyone deserves a living wage. Living wage varies by state, and in CA it's just under $60k. My position is that companies cannot afford to do this and make a profit, which is their very reason for existence.

My position is that people can and should earn their way up to better wages, regardless of education or status. I don't believe burger flipping is a profession that should be held long-term. It's an entry-level job that doesn't require a significant amount of skill. Hence the lower pay. I don't believe anyone who doesn't want to put in the extra effort to move beyond burger flipping can be upset that they are making entry level wages, no matter what is said here.

Having said that, my position is that the superstar employees at all levels deserve reward. People just punching a clock and doing the job should receive what they were promised at hiring - the wage and benefits offered and accepted.

 

[RobWDW1971]

My position? No, but I'd bet I'd be considered an evil corporate type around here. The numbers I shared were in response to other posters who suggest everyone deserves a living wage. Living wage varies by state, and in CA it's just under $60k. My position is that companies cannot afford to do this and make a profit, which is their very reason for existence.

My position is that people can and should earn their way up to better wages, regardless of education or status. I don't believe burger flipping is a profession that should be held long-term. It's an entry-level job that doesn't require a significant amount of skill. Hence the lower pay. I don't believe anyone who doesn't want to put in the extra effort to move beyond burger flipping can be upset that they are making entry level wages, no matter what is said here.

Having said that, my position is that the superstar employees at all levels deserve reward. People just punching a clock and doing the job should receive what they were promised at hiring - the wage and benefits offered and accepted.

Thanks for the thoughtful and clear response. I had my PixarPerfects and ImperfectPixies mixed up in the conversation (say that three times fast).

@ImperfectPixie, can you clarify your position per the previous post's questions? You are saying you are being misrepresented so I am trying to honestly understand your position. Thanks in advance.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And covid had nothing to do with that?
The last time we were there was last September and covid still had a number of things shut down.

No, there are no capacity limits. They don’t have enough staff and a number of venues are closed because they don’t have the staff to open. They’re offering hiring bonuses to try and get people.

 

[PixarPerfect]

No, there are no capacity limits. They don’t have enough staff and a number of venues are closed because they don’t have the staff to open. They’re offering hiring bonuses to try and get people.

It's not a problem unique to Disney. It's wide-spread issue permeating the entire country that was brought about by the pandemic. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/25/economy/labor-shortage-early-retirement-charts/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/12/29/job-market-2021/

 

[RobWDW1971]

No, there are no capacity limits. They don’t have enough staff and a number of venues are closed because they don’t have the staff to open. They’re offering hiring bonuses to try and get people.

Then you should be thrilled that the market forces are working. There is currently a shortage of labor and therefore Disney (and other service employers) have to pay higher wages and offer hiring bonuses to get workers. That is a wonderful upside for the employees of supply/demand labor economics. What is the complaint?

For their side, Disney has decided that it is better to keep a part-time, flexible workforce that can be reduced as needed and then pay the price to hire people back when needed. That is a business decision based on the availability of skills in the marketplace, the uniqueness of the skills required to do the roles (not very for most frontline hospitality jobs), and the calculated tradeoff of hiring/training costs vs. paying higher wages or paying staff when not needed.

Sounds like the system is functioning as one would expect.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's not a problem unique to Disney. It's wide-spread issue permeating the entire country that was brought about by the pandemic. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/25/economy/labor-shortage-early-retirement-charts/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/12/29/job-market-2021/

Yeah, because people realized they didn’t have to put up with low pay and being treated like crap. And instead of saying companies and customers should treat these employees better they’re denigrated. This whole thread was about how Christmas bonuses would be a way for Disney to differentiate and build loyalty and people are going on about how awful and ridiculous it is to suggest doing anything of the sort.

 

[PixarPerfect]

Yeah, because people realized they didn’t have to put up with low pay and being treated like crap. And instead of saying companies and customers should treat these employees better they’re denigrated. This whole thread was about how Christmas bonuses would be a way for Disney to differentiate and build loyalty and people are going on about how awful and ridiculous it is to suggest doing anything of the sort.

Such a simple answer. Thank you.

Here the rest of the country has been thinking it was something else. How nice it is to find out that it has had nothing to do with a chunk of the population taking early retirement packages. Or federal and state benefits and loans paid out. Or extended unemployment and deferred rent and student loan payments. Or even fears of catching a virus that has killed millions.

It turns out that the current labor shortage is all because people have had enough of working at inhumane sweatshops like Disney World and found their money elsewh... Actually, where did they find the money that is replacing their jobs? And they're paying their bills and saving for retirement, how...?

<<<crash>>>

 

[PixarPerfect]

Then you should be thrilled that the market forces are working. There is currently a shortage of labor and therefore Disney (and other service employers) have to pay higher wages and offer hiring bonuses to get workers. That is a wonderful upside for the employees of supply/demand labor economics. What is the complaint?

For their side, Disney has decided that it is better to keep a part-time, flexible workforce that can be reduced as needed and then pay the price to hire people back when needed. That is a business decision based on the availability of skills in the marketplace, the uniqueness of the skills required to do the roles (not very for most frontline hospitality jobs), and the calculated tradeoff of hiring/training costs vs. paying higher wages or paying staff when not needed.

Sounds like the system is functioning as one would expect.

People forget the cost of onboarding new employees, especially full-time employees. It's a major expense that, given the in-person nature of the work and recent shut-downs, isn't all that appealing on a grand scale during a pandemic that's still raging on.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Such a simple answer. Thank you.

Here the rest of the country has been thinking it was something else. How nice it is to find out that it has had nothing to do with a chunk of the population taking early retirement packages. Or federal and state benefits and loans paid out. Or extended unemployment and deferred rent and student loan payments. Or even fears of catching a virus that has killed millions.

It turns out that the current labor shortage is all because people have had enough of working at inhumane sweatshops like Disney World and found their money elsewh... Actually, where did they find the money that is replacing their jobs? And they're paying their bills and saving for retirement, how...?

<<<crash>>>

While some people working at Walt Disney World were retired, they were not the bulk. Front line employees don’t get retirement offers, they were just furloughed and laid off. Florida ended additional benefits ages ago, but go ahead and continue to blame something that doesn’t exist.

People forget the cost of onboarding new employees, especially full-time employees. It's a major expense that, given the in-person nature of the work and recent shut-downs, isn't all that appealing on a grand scale during a pandemic that's still raging on.

Disney isn’t choosing to go with lower staff. They have jobs posted. They’re offering $3,000 hiring bonuses for line cooks. Even a dishwasher can get $1,000.