Chapek and D'Amaro continue the tradition of no bonus or Christmas gift for Disney's Cast Members

[matt9112]

Its a form of employment here in the UK where people don’t know if or how many hours they will work. Often they have to guarantee to be available to work so can’t take other jobs but have no guarantee they will work. Since 2008 it has become a much bigger way of employing people

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That sounds like rubbish. I would throw that right over the fence at 10 downing.

 

[Robbiem]

That sounds like rubbish. I would throw that right over the fence at 10 downing.

It is terrible. No retainer and no guarantee of work but you can’t take your labour elsewhere. There have been lots of arguments about if people should be entitled to benefits like sick pay, pensions or being able to unionise as a lot of employers say these people are self employed and so entitled to nothing other than their base rate

Unfortunately too many people have no other choice, when its that or no job and you have family to support you will take anything and employers use that here to drive down their costs. Its been a big issue with covid as people are scared to say they are sick as they won’t get paid so carry on working when they should be isolating

 

[JoeCamel]

It is terrible. No retainer and no guarantee of work but you can’t take your labour elsewhere. There have been lots of arguments about if people should be entitled to benefits like sick pay, pensions or being able to unionise as a lot of employers say these people are self employed and so entitled to nothing other than their base rate

Unfortunately too many people have no other choice, when its that or no job and you have family to support you will take anything and employers use that here to drive down their costs. Its been a big issue with covid as people are scared to say they are sick as they won’t get paid so carry on working when they should be isolating

Are you seeing the same position available as we see now hiring signs everywhere? Shops closing for lack of staff?

 

[lazyboy97o]

It is terrible. No retainer and no guarantee of work but you can’t take your labour elsewhere. There have been lots of arguments about if people should be entitled to benefits like sick pay, pensions or being able to unionise as a lot of employers say these people are self employed and so entitled to nothing other than their base rate

Unfortunately too many people have no other choice, when its that or no job and you have family to support you will take anything and employers use that here to drive down their costs. Its been a big issue with covid as people are scared to say they are sick as they won’t get paid so carry on working when they should be isolating

In the US most hourly jobs would be described as “zero hour” including those at places like restaurants, hotels and entertainment venues. Large companies and those with unions might have guaranteed minimum hours but they too will work to keep people under the threshold required to offer health health insurance (30 hours / week or 130 hours / month). Rules restrict such employees from being classified as independent contractors, but plenty of employers at least try to misclassify employees.

 

[Cesar R M]

Are you seeing the same position available as we see now hiring signs everywhere? Shops closing for lack of staff?

This is something very funny that became a meme on many work related groups.
And goes like this:

Employees have tried:

1. Calling workers Heroes.
2. Calling them Essential workers.
3. Calling them lazy when they quit.
4. Guilt trip them about lost business.
5. Attempt to strong arm governments to allow immigrants.
6. Strong arm governments to remove unemployment benefits.
7. Attempt to bust unions.
8. Use PR Tactics to put them in bad light or call them un-american or socialists.
9. Post single hit bonuses for new hires.

All these.. except what the workers need.. a salary increase XD

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[Minnesota disney fan]

Lol back in the day "department " stores were where EVERYONE and their cousin did their shopping. We're talking before on line and before malls. Macy's at the time was synonymous with Christmas. So think MK on Christmas all stuffed into a department store. We had a huge "Santa land" where kids came to see Santa and parents brought toys. Our job was to try and keep order, get the kids in line to see the big guy and keep the department neat. Tall about on your feet for hours, screaming kids and parents coupled with a few thousand tourist trying to shop thanks to the Christmas window displays.

I still have PTSD from it

LOL, thanks eliza! It made me think of the movie,, Miracle on 34th Street (the old one with Natalie Wood). I can just see you rushing around trying to herd cats, er, kids. It must have been very Chaotic. But you must have had some fun???
It's too bad those big department store days are gone.
I used to go downtown to Lazarus (our Macy's) and spend the day shopping and eating at their restaurants. It's a time gone by, but I remember it fondly. However, I was never a Christmas Elf at Macys

 

[Robbiem]

Are you seeing the same position available as we see now hiring signs everywhere? Shops closing for lack of staff?

Zero hours haven’t gone away. The UK job situation is in flux at the moment covid and brexit have changed things and its too soon to see how they will settle but employers are in a strong position compared to their staff. There is a lot of management by fear with people afraid to speak up and accepting bad situations because they are worried. I’m lucky to be a fairly good place but I know lots of people who aren’t. This has been growing for a while but the pandemic has made it a lot worse

 

[jlhwdw]

I have a question to all former or current CM's when you are hired at Disney are you not told your hours?

Generally not. When you go to Casting you are given a location, and that location sets your hours and it does not have to be consistent from day to day/week to week. I remember plenty of "clopens" where I worked until 11pm and was scheduled back in at 7am. "You have eight hours off though!" was typically the response when that was questioned.

Most people realize they have to work holidays. But as far as weekly/daily work schedules that includes shift times and days off, no, you don't know that until well after you accept the job. And they can change on a dime. You are expected to have 24/7 availability as a full timer.

 

[JoeCamel]

Zero hours haven’t gone away. The UK job situation is in flux at the moment covid and brexit have changed things and its too soon to see how they will settle but employers are in a strong position compared to their staff. There is a lot of management by fear with people afraid to speak up and accepting bad situations because they are worried. I’m lucky to be a fairly good place but I know lots of people who aren’t. This has been growing for a while but the pandemic has made it a lot worse

Wow, the opposite is true here, unions are being voted in and wages are much higher than two years ago. Jobs open everywhere is you want them, as long a you are not a serial killer you can make $20ph+ unless you opt to be in a lower paying position. Some people just want to be a drone and drones don't make much.

 

[eliza61nyc]

LOL, thanks eliza! It made me think of the movie,, Miracle on 34th Street (the old one with Natalie Wood). I can just see you rushing around trying to herd cats, er, kids. It must have been very Chaotic. But you must have had some fun???
It's too bad those big department store days are gone.
I used to go downtown to Lazarus (our Macy's) and spend the day shopping and eating at their restaurants. It's a time gone by, but I remember it fondly. However, I was never a Christmas Elf at Macys

Lol looking back it was a lot of fun but it was very physical and tiring work, one thing we all knew was that these were entry level jobs. At 17-18 we knew no way, no how could we live in NYC working retail even in the 70's. For the majority of folks it was their p/t job for extra money.
It was a temporary job. I wouldn't have ever expected a Christmas gift

 

[John park hopper]

Eliza:
Change of subject being a city girl do you remember the Horn and Hardart automate

in the city put your money in and the door would open and get your food. I can remember going there as a kid my father was a mechanical engineer at the Waldorf and he would take us into the city. That was big treat to go to Horn and Hardart as a kid it was like magic. Closed in 1991

 

[Robbiem]

Wow, the opposite is true here, unions are being voted in and wages are much higher than two years ago. Jobs open everywhere is you want them, as long a you are not a serial killer you can make $20ph+ unless you opt to be in a lower paying position. Some people just want to be a drone and drones don't make much

good for you guys, I’m glad people are seeing a better future hopefully things improve here but I think it will take a really long time to see positive change.

 

[TikibirdLand]

Eliza:
Change of subject being a city girl do you remember the Horn and Hardart automate View attachment 610321
in the city put your money in and the door would open and get your food. I can remember going there as a kid my father was a mechanical engineer at the Waldorf and he would take us into the city. That was big treat to go to Horn and Hardart as a kid it was like magic. Closed in 1991

The Horn and Hardart was featured in one of my favorite movies, A Touch of Mink:

 

[Robbiem]

Generally not. When you go to Casting you are given a location, and that location sets your hours and it does not have to be consistent from day to day/week to week. I remember plenty of "clopens" where I worked until 11pm and was scheduled back in at 7am. "You have eight hours off though!" was typically the response when that was questioned.

Most people realize they have to work holidays. But as far as weekly/daily work schedules that includes shift times and days off, no, you don't know that until well after you accept the job. And they can change on a dime. You are expected to have 24/7 availability as a full timer.

Are there rules around working hours / rest times, do they vary by position? For example when I was a train driver I could be asked to work up to 12 hours a day 24/7 but I had to have a minimum of 12 hours between shifts and could only be made to work 10 days in a row before I got a rest day - although that could be the day you finished a night shift.

 

[Robbiem]

The Horn and Hardart was featured in one of my favorite movies, A Touch of Mink:

I love this movie too. I think its such a shame Doris Day never made any Disney movies I think she could have been the perfect Disney star, lets hope some of her movies/ shows turn up on Disney plus

 

[lazyboy97o]

Are there rules around working hours / rest times, do they vary by position? For example when I was a train driver I could be asked to work up to 12 hours a day 24/7 but I had to have a minimum of 12 hours between shifts and could only be made to work 10 days in a row before I got a rest day - although that could be the day you finished a night shift.

Most of the rules come from the union agreements. For a lot of Cast Members at Walt Disney World eight hours is the minimum required between shifts otherwise overtime has to be paid.

https://www.uniteherelocal362.org/wp-content/uploads/STCU-FT-ENGLISH-FINAL.pdf

 

[Lilofan]

Most of the rules come from the union agreements. For a lot of Cast Members at Walt Disney World eight hours is the minimum required between shifts otherwise overtime has to be paid.

https://www.uniteherelocal362.org/wp-content/uploads/STCU-FT-ENGLISH-FINAL.pdf

Overtime and or double time pay surely is sweet to those who can get it . One place a friend worked had a hurricane ride out team and the staff were on the clock for almost 70 hours straight. The actual clean up was towards the end which was roughly 7 hours of debris clean up. The rest of the time was resting , sleeping and eating inside the building.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Overtime and or double time pay surely is sweet to those who can get it . One place a friend worked had a hurricane ride out team and the staff were on the clock for almost 70 hours straight. The actual clean up was towards the end which was roughly 7 hours of debris clean up. The rest of the time was resting , sleeping and eating inside the building.

It can be sweet for occasional, brief periods. For an extended time it becomes detrimental to one’s health.

 

[jlhwdw]

Are there rules around working hours / rest times, do they vary by position? For example when I was a train driver I could be asked to work up to 12 hours a day 24/7 but I had to have a minimum of 12 hours between shifts and could only be made to work 10 days in a row before I got a rest day - although that could be the day you finished a night shift.

I believe transportation (busses and monorails) have stricter requirements than others. I know for a fact there is nothing against scheduling a parking CM the following schedule on WDW marathon weekend (pre-COVID), and the regular park hours will have this CM driving trams.

Friday (shorter race)
4am-3pm

Saturday (1/2 marathon)
2:15am-3pm

Saturday night into Sunday (Full Marathon)
11pm-12pm

 

[WaltsTreasureChest]

Nonsense. Bob Chapek is the best ceo in the world. Please don’t call him a bean counter ceo. He’s incredibly thoughtful, and creative. He is also very handsome.