Changes at DTD

[DocMcHulk]

Not surprising. The cone of silence is working pretty well around WDW at the moment.:lol:

Anyhow, I will go ahead and toss this one little tidbit out there...

I have not been able to confirm this with as many sources as I would like, but after pulling a few threads and chasing a rumor for a bit I can say that Schussler Creative will be a major player in the new PI.
I have confirmed the concept for a nautical themed restaurant to be placed along the waterfront. The tenative name/working title is "Mahogany Bay", but that may have already changed.
It is naturally a heavily themed restaurant, which will feature classic watercraft (think Breathless) and may feature the ability for guests to take boats out onto the lake.
Teaser from Schussler:
"Anchor yourself in a vintage watercraft on top of Florida tropical waters. Enjoy the open air and nautical environment."

This was valid as of a couple months ago, and as always subject to have been changed already.

that would be awesome! When we go back in 2012 I was planning on going to T-Rex, but "Mahogany Bay" might make me change that... if it's open by the time we go down.

 

[xdan0920]

Any news on PI is good news in my opinion. That deserted island is just in awful condition. Heres hoping they get it up and running asap.

 

[jt04]

Any news on PI is good news in my opinion. That deserted island is just in awful condition. Heres hoping they get it up and running asap.

The permits are good through 2013. Sounds like it may take some time and that this is no small project.

 

[WDWFigment]

I think we all understand the frustration in only getting hints and not the full details, but this is to be expected. For whatever reason, the individuals here have to protect themselves or their sources. It may seem odd, given that many individuals presumably know about the projects, but when you get into the minutiae, not many people may know. Would you really risk your job or put someone else's at risk for the sake of some (often ungrateful) individuals on the internet? Even if you're selfish and only look at it from your own perspective, consider this: if they disclose too much and are 'cut off', you won't get information in the future.

Believe me, I understand the feeling. I've pounded my head against the wall a number of times wishing someone would spill the FULL details of the oft referenced-but-never-announced plans for Imagination 4.0. At the same time, I get why said details can't be posted.

It's the nature of the beast. The people who post in great detail are usually the ones speculating and/or making up stuff. If you'd prefer them over real information, I guess that's your call, but it doesn't seem too logical to me.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Raven (and Lee too if you know anything), could the new concept that is coming in that will be similar (but not the same as), the AC be a concept from when PI was being built originally, but got cut due to budget constraints? The concept I am referring to is Madison's Dive.

This is from Jim Hill:

But at least the AC did actually get built. Thank goodness that this nightclub didn't suffer the same fate as "Madison's Dive." This boisterous seaside saloon was originally supposed to have been one of PI's signature restaurants with its sawdust-covered floor and its brown-paper covered tables. And as WDW guests dined on crab, Captain Spike was to have entertained the crowds by singing sea chanteys & telling tales of his lost love, Madison the mermaid from "Splash."

In an effort to contain costs on Pleasure Island, "Madison's Dive" wound up getting cut from the project's opening assortment of restaurants, shops and attractions. The Imagineers had always hoped that -- once PI proved to be a success -- that they'd then get the chance to revive their plans for this waterfront eatery. Though that was not to be.

That said, one illusion that WDI created for "Madison's Dive" still survives today. Have you ever seen the "Balderdash Cup" show in the Library at the Adventurers Club? Do you recall that moment when -- as Professor Otis Wren is spinning out his the-one-that-got-way fish tale -- where the ship-in-a-bottle that's behind the bar suddenly breaks apart & sinks out of sight? That particular effect was originally supposed to have occurred as Captain Spike was telling one of his tales from the sea.

So, could we possibly be onto something with this here or is this completely no where even close?

EDIT: I should say that Captain Michael deserves credit for digging this up.

Anybody?

 

[Krack]

Would you really risk your job or put someone else's at risk for the sake of some (often ungrateful) individuals on the internet? Even if you're selfish and only look at it from your own perspective, consider this: if they disclose too much and are 'cut off', you won't get information in the future.

Yes, I understand all that. But the great "disclosure" here was that the project will have lights. That's not a disclosure at all. The only thing disclosed was that he has information and he's not telling it to anybody. That's the internet equivalent of "haha, I know something you don't know" (as I said it was in my previous post). If some people get off on being told something that is blatantly obvious, that's fine, but I don't have to like it.

Here's some more super secret disclosures ... the project will feature both concrete and steel beams. But I'm not telling any more than that. Everyone can be amazed by my special insider connections.

 

[wm49rs]

Yes, I understand all that. But the great "disclosure" here was that the project will have lights. That's not a disclosure at all. The only thing disclosed was that he has information and he's not telling it to anybody. That's the internet equivalent of "haha, I know something you don't know" (as I said it was in my previous post). If some people get off on being told something that is blatantly obvious, that's fine, but I don't have to like it.

Here's some more super secret disclosures ... the project will feature both concrete and steel beams. But I'm not telling any more than that. Everyone can be amazed by my special insider connections.

Or not......

 

[71jason]

I don't remember ever saying anything about AC. Actually I've never even been in there. I have no idea what will happen to it.

"Save Pleasure Island" blog ran a quote from you, about PI in general, then a quote from somebody else ("PDK" I think) saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, something AdvClub fans would like the new concept because it's the same time period, within a decade or so. It was definitely not saying "a new version of the AdvClub." But I could see confusion arising.

Lee's tip about Mahogany Bay sounds like it would fit that--I could see that having a 1920s or 30s theme. Makes the lighthouse fast food joint a bit more logical, as well.

Maybe coincidence, but: "http://www.mahoganybay.net/index.aspx"--a company specializing in vintage watercraft (including 20s/30s). Schuessel previously "leased" a name/concept a restaurant from Aerobleu; maybe they did it again?

Larger point--Raven, can you say what percentage of the plans you've seen are to be third party? Anything less than 100%?

 

[wm49rs]

"Save Pleasure Island" blog ran a quote from you, about PI in general, then a quote from somebody else ("PDK" I think) saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, something AdvClub fans would like the new concept because it's the same time period, within a decade or so. It was definitely not saying "a new version of the AdvClub." But I could see confusion arising.

Lee's tip about Mahogany Bay sounds like it would fit that--I could see that having a 1920s or 30s theme. Makes the lighthouse fast food joint a bit more logical, as well.

Maybe coincidence, but: "http://www.mahoganybay.net/index.aspx"--a company specializing in vintage watercraft (including 20s/30s). Schuessel previously "leased" a name/concept a restaurant from Aerobleu; maybe they did it again?

Larger point--Raven, can you say what percentage of the plans you've seen are to be third party? Anything less than 100%?

I've seen those boats before. I would only ask if they're somewhat on the larger size for the waters around DtD?

 

[Krack]

Or not......

Well, you're just going to feel foolish when concrete and steel beams are prominently featured. Here's one more to wet your appetites ... my sources say there will be both mens and womens bathrooms. But that's it, you get no more from me.

 

[njDizFan]

Well, you're just going to feel foolish when concrete and steel beams are prominently featured. Here's one more to wet your appetites ... my sources say there will be both mens and womens bathrooms. But that's it, you get no more from me.

I call shenanigans...

 

[wm49rs]

Well, you're just going to feel foolish when concrete and steel beams are prominently featured. Here's one more to wet your appetites ... my sources say there will be both mens and womens bathrooms. But that's it, you get no more from me.

Promises, promises.....

 

[trr1]

Well, you're just going to feel foolish when concrete and steel beams are prominently featured. Here's one more to wet your appetites ... my sources say there will be both mens and womens bathrooms. But that's it, you get no more from me.

what no family restrooms?!

 

[raven]

"Save Pleasure Island" blog ran a quote from you, about PI in general, then a quote from somebody else ("PDK" I think) saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, something AdvClub fans would like the new concept because it's the same time period, within a decade or so. It was definitely not saying "a new version of the AdvClub." But I could see confusion arising.

Larger point--Raven, can you say what percentage of the plans you've seen are to be third party? Anything less than 100%?

That information didn't come from me then. I may have been misquoted or someone may have thought information about AC came from me but I can asure you that I have never seen plans for any future developement of this building. I can only speculate like everyone else on here about that one.

As far as the third party question goes I don't have that information either. If it isn't of any interest to me it usually doesn't stick in my mind.

 

[zulemara]

and what about MDP/8-trax and CW? Any info on them?

 

[unkadug]

Well, you're just going to feel foolish when concrete and steel beams are prominently featured. Here's one more to wet your appetites ... my sources say there will be both mens and womens bathrooms. But that's it, you get no more from me.

Nobody likes a jackass.

Promises, promises.....

:lol:

 

[Mouse Detective]

"Save Pleasure Island" blog ran a quote from you, about PI in general, then a quote from somebody else ("PDK" I think) saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, something AdvClub fans would like the new concept because it's the same time period, within a decade or so. It was definitely not saying "a new version of the AdvClub." But I could see confusion arising.
Maybe coincidence, but: "http://www.mahoganybay.net/index.aspx"--a company specializing in vintage watercraft (including 20s/30s). Schuessel previously "leased" a name/concept a restaurant from Aerobleu; maybe they did it again?

Save Pleasure Island blog ran a story about Pleasure Island managers secretly meeting with Schussler Creative people early in 2008. Shortly after that meeting, they announced all the clubs closing! There were a bunch of restaurant concepts mentioned:

http://savepleasureisland.blogspot.com/2009/09/are-these-restaurants-coming-to-pi.html

 

[Krack]

Save Pleasure Island blog ran a story about Pleasure Island managers secretly meeting with Schussler Creative people early in 2008. Shortly after that meeting, they announced all the clubs closing! There were a bunch of restaurant concepts mentioned:

http://savepleasureisland.blogspot.com/2009/09/are-these-restaurants-coming-to-pi.html

Does it still constitute a "bold new vision" if it's the same thing you planned to do three years ago (that is arguably the biggest failure in the company since DCA)?

 

[SeaCastle]

Does it still constitute a "bold new vision" if it's the same thing you planned to do three years ago (that is arguably the biggest failure in the company since DCA)?

I wouldn't call it a fail on that level. The clubs were apparently barely making a profit, so I don't think it was that bad of a loss to shutter the complex. Walt Disney Studios Paris comes to mind.

 

[unkadug]

I wouldn't call it a fail on that level. The clubs were apparently barely making a profit, so I don't think it was that bad of a loss to shutter the complex. Walt Disney Studios Paris comes to mind.

Have you seen the spreadsheets or are you just going by what you think happened?