Cash-Strapped Disney

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That was going to happen regardless. Just look at what's happened in recent years. Price hikes are the norm rather than the exception.

And that’s because of Bob Iger and the housing crash tactics.

Good for him...bad for us. One of my favorite “sermons”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They tried that back in ‘08-‘11.

Bet they’ll consider it again once the pandemic is over.

I think that was show...sure, you look for money wherever - for the stockholders.

But lip service

 

[Kamikaze]

The problem with Florida is it exists on the dollars of those “pesky” people from the Atlantic seaboard, Europe, Canada and the rust belt in extremely high numbers.

I think cruise ships could provide a more attract option that parks...and they aren’t included to lift a finger at all. Riding out the storm.

Travel is a “deal” between two parties...it has to work for both. Not a gas station or a McDonald’s point of sale.

If I open a store...and nobody walks through the door...I close again whether I want to or not.

I’m just point out the dynamics...sorry if it’s “preachy”

The problem with cruise ships is that they're breeding grounds for viral transmission in normal circumstances. And I haven't heard word 1 about any of them opening any time soon.

You're right about the money coming from places other than FL, and the vindictiveness of DeSantis not allowing the Northeast to visit still despite having the lowest number of cases basically anywhere is based on outright spite. Probably where a lot of the crowd would be coming from if it was an option.

 

[Kamikaze]

I think that was show...sure, you look for money wherever - for the stockholders.

But lip service

Unfortunately, it wasn't. There were actually talks that progressed further than just 'floating it out there'. Twice.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unfortunately, it wasn't. There were actually talks that progressed further than just 'floating it out there'. Twice.

I don’t take that at face value...but not impossible.

Difference of opinion. It’s not illegal to use tactics.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem with cruise ships is that they're breeding grounds for viral transmission in normal circumstances. And I haven't heard word 1 about any of them opening any time soon.

You're right about the money coming from places other than FL, and the vindictiveness of DeSantis not allowing the Northeast to visit still despite having the lowest number of cases basically anywhere is based on outright spite. Probably where a lot of the crowd would be coming from if it was an option.

Because of cruiselines struggles with norovirus, they are actually better at sanitation than Disney.

I can’t parse that. Disney isn’t “ultra clean”. Hate to break that news.

But it’s tough for either. Cruises could have people taken directly from the airport, screened, and not contacting anyone out side that bubble. Not perfect...but not horrible. Not the case at wdw.

But your point about the Petri dishes at sea is of course the headwinds.

And they have no staff...but of a problem.

 

[Kamikaze]

Because of cruiselines struggles when norovirus, they are actually better at sanitation than Disney.

I can’t parse that. Disney isn’t “ultra clean”. Hate to break that news.

But it’s tough for either. Cruises could have people taken directly from the airport, screened, and not contacting anyone out side that bubble. Not perfect...but not horrible. Not the case at wdw.

But your point about the Petri dishes at sea is of course the headwinds.

And they have no staff...but of a problem.

Right, the fix for everything is actually pretty simple. A fast, accurate test that can be administered on the spot. You show up, get tested, and you only can enter if you're negative. But when you're talking these numbers of people it needs to be a swab or spit test and not blood. Blood one already exists with a 15 minute turnaround, but you're not going to take blood from 50,000 people a day at MK.

Edit: I would also say that the Disney cleaning standards are certainly higher now than they were before. Especially considering the evidence that COVID is extremely hard to transmit off of a surface and they're still cleaning everything constantly.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Walt also valued 'Show' above pretty much everything else. And this is, without a doubt, terrible show. His park was supposed to be a place to leave the cares of the outside world behind, and you can't do that when you're wearing a mask and social distancing.

He wasn't much of a saver, but he also really only cared about money to fund his other projects. He didn't want to keep it or worry about raising stock prices. He could be ruthless and a businessman at times as well. But he wasn't motivated by money. He just knew it was something he needed to do what he wanted.

And without a doubt he was right wing. But is this Walt Disney's America? (Not referring to the theme park) Or any cheap facsimile thereof? Walt loved the American ideal. And we aren't there right now for a lot of reasons.

But thats a different topic altogether. I'd have tons more to say but not a lot of it fits here.

Yeah. He also didn’t really care about politics much beyond what it did to benefit his projects. He supported both parties when they benefited him. He went hard right in the 40s when he thought the Communist unions were causing the major divide in his studio.

 

[Brer Oswald]

That’s funny...the podcasters/vloggers have “gotten the message” and said it’s the “safest, most comforting environment ever”

Even the “disgruntled” one who is featured on another rival site. They played clips of the podcaster on the news these past few days.

But they were also desperate to get back into the Parks for content. You have to remember, that’s how they make their money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But they were also desperate to get back into the Parks for content. You have to remember, that’s how they make their money.

...ahhhh, somebody skipped today’s online sarcasm Lesson

 

[The Colonel]

They’ve made billions year after year for the last 20 years. Its hard to feel bad for them. Maybe should have socked some away for a rainy day. Like I did with my small business. But I’m not a genius CEO making 30 million a year.

 

[Brer Oswald]

...ahhhh, somebody skipped today’s online sarcasm Lesson

My bad I was skimming. Didn’t even see the quotation marks.

 

[Mrtko]

CDC chief says Northerners heading South for vacation may be to blame for surge in coronavirus cases, not state reopenings

"Something happened in mid-June that we're now confronting right now," Redfield said. "And it's not as simple as just saying it was related to timing of reopening or not reopening."

www.cnbc.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

The problem with cruise ships is that they're breeding grounds for viral transmission in normal circumstances. And I haven't heard word 1 about any of them opening any time soon.

You're right about the money coming from places other than FL, and the vindictiveness of DeSantis not allowing the Northeast to visit still despite having the lowest number of cases basically anywhere is based on outright spite. Probably where a lot of the crowd would be coming from if it was an option.

Even if that ban was lifted, the NE ain't going to FL

1. it's the new hotspot

2. they'd endure a quarantine returning from FL

 

[MisterPenguin]

They’ve made billions year after year for the last 20 years. Its hard to feel bad for them. Maybe should have socked some away for a rainy day. Like I did with my small business. But I’m not a genius CEO making 30 million a year.

Funny, I thought most people on these boards were fully on the side of Disney spending as much money as they can on upgrades to the parks. Spend, Disney! Spend on the parks!!

 

[Kamikaze]

Even if that ban was lifted, the NE ain't going to FL

1. it's the new hotspot

2. they'd endure a quarantine returning from FL

The quarantine up here is actually written that it doesn't apply to NY/NJ/CT residents returning. It only applies to 'visitors' from out of state.

I'm not saying that someone that travels OOS shouldn't quarantine when they return, they definitely should, but it is not a requirement.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The quarantine up here is actually written that it doesn't apply to NY/NJ/CT residents returning. It only applies to 'visitors' from out of state.

Hmmm... I'm sure you're right, but I'll have to check that again to see how I missed that.

But then... that doesn't make sense. It was people in the tristate area who visited world wide hotspots and brought the virus back that were the problem. So, not quarantining people who visited hotspots isn't good policy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Even if that ban was lifted, the NE ain't going to FL

1. it's the new hotspot

2. they'd endure a quarantine returning from FL

As the president of the northeast megaopolis - I have the authority to say:

“You ain’t kidding”

 

[Kamikaze]

Hmmm... I'm sure you're right, but I'll have to check that again to see how I missed that.

But then... that doesn't make sense. It was people in the tristate area who visited world wide hotspots and brought the virus back that were the problem. So, not quarantining people who visited hotspots isn't good policy.

Right - its written incorrectly. It is supposed to apply to everyone but it only specifies that visitors must quarantine. Sorry if I was confusing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah. He also didn’t really care about politics much beyond what it did to benefit his projects. He supported both parties when they benefited him. He went hard right in the 40s when he thought the Communist unions were causing the major divide in his studio.

Well...not “politics” in the modern sense - perhaps...

But there’s a history of Disney’s business and political choices that would not look good to many if not most Disney fans now.

But that’s for the lens of history and for another thread