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[Raineman]

may I ask what generation you are in?

I am Gen-X.

What classics are they removing? And I'm speaking more in the classic IP realm, not the non-IP attractions that have been there a long time.

The classics they are starting to remove are the non-IP attractions, which is part of the issue. Disney theme parks used to have that perfect mix of IP and non-IP based attractions. Recently, new attractions have been centered on more recent IP, and now we are starting to see classic attractions-like Roa/TSI-being replaced by attractions with more recent IP. It makes me worried about the future of Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Tiki Room, etc.

Something has to replace Frontierland.

Why? Why does it need to be replaced?

 

[Quietmouse]

Yes, but then it shouldn't be called frontier land. If you're going to "reimagine" it just call it something else. There's no reason to call it frontier land when that's not what it is anymore. Cars is literally the end of the frontier.

Im guessing the name might change along with the reimagining.

“West land” sounds decent I guess.

But I agree it shouldn’t be called frontier land and I hope imagineering has some better name ideas lol.

 

[Raineman]

Things get old and tired and need to be replaced. That's just life. People weren't complaining about it because they didn't care about it at all.

So, by your logic, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion should be replaced soon too.

 

[el_super]

So, by your logic, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion should be replaced soon too.

Eventually... yeah.

 

[Quietmouse]

Y’all aren’t ready for this conversation but Silver Dollar City and Dollywood do a better frontier land than Disney.

As a whole, frontier land and tomorrow land are the 2 areas of the parks that deserve some level of reboot.

 

[Raineman]

Eventually... yeah.

So you're advocating ripping out the heart and soul of MK, and most likely replacing by some Pixar or Disney Junior characters. Wow.

 

[el_super]

Y’all aren’t ready for this conversation but Silver Dollar City and Dollywood do a better frontier land than Disney.

Knott's has always had a better version of Frontierland and it was right there for Walt to copy from Day 1. There is a roughness to the traditional frontier tropes that is incompatible with Disney. Always has been.

 

[Quietmouse]

So, by your logic, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion should be replaced soon too.

Jungle cruise is showing its age rapidly.

It’s the one ride that I think could use an ip attached.

A lion king retheme to jungle cruise with advanced Tokyo Disney/Shanghai ride systems and audio animatronics could really elevate the ride to a new level.

But instead it feels stuck in the past, and the ride feels like going to a flea market and finding something vintage.

 

[el_super]

So you're advocating ripping out the heart and soul of MK, and most likely replacing by some Pixar or Disney Junior characters. Wow.

All good things have to come to and end. And certainly this can't be some revelation. How many times have those attractions been changed, re changed and changed back in the last 50 years? Disneyland hasn't had the original Pirates ride since the 1990s. The Jungle Cruise has been completely redone something like four times there. And Haunted Mansion Holiday with Jack Skeligton has always been more popular than the regular show.

Just the way of it.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Y’all aren’t ready for this conversation but Silver Dollar City and Dollywood do a better frontier land than Disney.

I thought you said you can’t compare Herschend parks to Disney?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

All good things have to come to and end.

No they don’t haha.

 

[Raineman]

Knott's has always had a better version of Frontierland and it was right there for Walt to copy from Day 1. There is a roughness to the traditional frontier tropes that is incompatible with Disney. Always has been.

Disney wasn't always as fluffy, cuddly and kid-friendly as it is now. Nothing wrong with having some "roughness" in any kind of Disney offering, whether it be film, TV or theme parks.

 

[Quietmouse]

I thought you said you can’t compare Herschend parks to Disney?

Disney is better in every other category but they do frontier land better, and on a smaller theming budget.

 

[el_super]

No they don’t haha.

Don't worry. You will hit acceptance soon enough.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I also find it strange how many people (not necessarily you) complain when Disney is slow to act on a popular IP, but when they do act, it's a terrible decision.

Yeah I'm definitely not one of those people, I'm more in the camp of "I prefer things entirely original to the parks because why would I pay $100 to be told the story of a movie I can see at home for free". I like theme parks that give me unique experiences. Tiana's Bayou Adventure is kinda a nice middle ground where it's a new story with new and old characters. Overall I prefer stuff like Pirates, Mansion, CBJ, etc.

 

[Raineman]

All good things have to come to and end. And certainly this can't be some revelation. How many times have those attractions been changed, re changed and changed back in the last 50 years? Disneyland hasn't had the original Pirates ride since the 1990s. The Jungle Cruise has been completely redone something like four times there. And Haunted Mansion Holiday with Jack Skeligton has always been more popular than the regular show.

Just the way of it.

Those attractions you mentioned have had some changes, but the changes weren't major, and the attractions still existed and maintained their original vision. Completely gutting or removing an attraction is a whole different thing. And I'm not so sure that you are right about the Nightmare Before Christmas version of HM in DL is more popular.

 

[Raineman]

Don't worry. You will hit acceptance soon enough.

To quote Steve Rogers: don't hold your breath.

 

[Schmidt]

I am Gen-X.

The classics they are starting to remove are the non-IP attractions, which is part of the issue. Disney theme parks used to have that perfect mix of IP and non-IP based attractions. Recently, new attractions have been centered on more recent IP, and now we are starting to see classic attractions-like Roa/TSI-being replaced by attractions with more recent IP. It makes me worried about the future of Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Tiki Room, etc.

Why? Why does it need to be replaced?

- Splash IP was changed for social issues. Not saying I agree with it but the decision wasn't made specifically to remove non ip product.
- ROA and TSI don't help with capacity at all. That's why they are being removed.

Pirates and Haunted Mansion are not going anywhere anytime soon. Jungle cruise could use a little love though.
Disney is not in the museum business.

 

[abaker1975]

Sure, but I will argue it has also created some muddled theming decisions as a result.

Galaxy edge should, at the very least, be adjacent to tomorrow land rather than tucked away above critter land/French quarters area. It’s in a weird spot that doesn’t really make sense?

Disney California adventure…what is the theme even ? The California theming makes sense (to an extent right ? ), radiator springs, Pixar pier, grizzly peak, that all is pretty cohesive and makes sense.

I could even argue that avengers campus slightly makes sense if you squint your eyes hard enough.…but the implementation of avatar land just seems very confusing. Slowly but surely the theme has gone from adventuring in California, to let’s slap whichever ip theme that sticks and make a land out of it.

You could argue and say, well that’s what the other Disney parks in Florida do, right?

Well kinda. Avatar in animal kingdom at least has some fabric that you can etch into the over arching theme of animal kingdom (alien animals are technically animals right?).

My overall opinion is that because Disney is running out of space in California they are forced to make decisions to make room for expansion sites with ips that are either located in the wrong spot (galaxy edge) or don’t fit the overall arching theme (avatar in a park about adventure in California).

I hadn't thought of it like that. DCA really is a Theme Park with as many variations in its Theme's to not really have it work as a Californian Themed park. It is basically used as a park to put attractions that don't fit (thematically or area) in Disneyland.

Having an area called Hollywood Land gives them just enough wiggle room to be able to put any attraction based on a movie in the area, but a new land based on Avatar is stretching integrity of the whole park theme too far.

Personally speaking I prefer a park that has the freedom to have diverse themed lands, unfortunately the park name does not suit this.

The good thing about WDW is with having 4 main parks you can make each one have a coherent theme and should mean attractions go in the best fit for each park (but even in Florida with its 4 parks I don't this this really happens).

If they could come up with a way to make DCA a park that is split into three themes - Movies/Animals/Celebration they really would have a park that can take any of the greatest hits from WDW without a problem. The park could even be called World of Disney.

 

[October82]

What you are describing is NOT what I’m talking about.

Then what are you talking about?