October82
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The sad thing is that it might have been true each time it was said… and I’m afraid it might be true next time too.
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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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bwr827
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I think you’ve got your own Villains land and the melodramatic ideas to go with it.
Gringrinngghost
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It's not from the visuospatial skills, its merely from where the stories stand. Big Thunder Mountain has always been the technically isolated child.
When you boil down the stories, You have the Rivers of America which tries to blend it all in, but doesn't allow for it. The liberty belle is a stern-wheeler and one that you predominately see around the Mississippi River. It does fit in for Tom Sawyer Island which also takes place along the Mississippi. You also had Splash Mountain which took place in the antebellum south, and now Tiana's bayou Adventure which takes place in Louisiana which is closer to the Mississippi.
I could see the long term plans being that you can unify Frontierland with Cars taking place in the American west, and since there is discussions for Pecos Bulls to a Tiana;s Place that they can have an small defacto New Orleans Square and a more American west style Frontierland, that doesn't have a Mississippi element.
October82
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The categories refer to whether an area is expected to suffer frequent flooding of if that area has conservation requirements attached to it. Flooding risks in some area are expensive but not impossible to mitigate. In other areas, there may not be a feasible mitigation at a cost that justifies the expense. I’ll leave it to more knowledgeable people to comment on the land immediately around MK.
Ghost93
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Oddly enough, the decline in attendance of Tom Sawyer's Island might be a good idea why NOT to dedicate an entire land to just one IP. Tom Sawyer's Island used to be very busy when the brand was more well known, but it's a total deadzone today.
Themed lands like the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, Pandora, Galaxy's edge, etc. are all great for now and may have several decades before needing a major overhaul or retheme, but I imagine that one day they will all become as irrelevant to the general public as Tom Sawyer.
DarkMetroid567
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Analogy is that both lands arguably stick out from the rest — actually Fantasy Springs is a worse offender. I’m incredibly excited to visit in a few weeks, but I’m not sure ambitious is the right word for it.
October82
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Although I agree with the general point, I don’t think the Tom Sawyer IP, if it can be called that, is at fault here. Many Disney parks contain low capacity play areas in this style and Disney (and its competitors for that matter) continue to build them with or without an attached IP.
They’re not intended to be headlining attractions but to inexpensively serve families with children. Tom Sawyer is part of the American lexicon and most people - still - will be familiar with the IP in a very different way to their familiarity with Cars. And that’s the problem for Disney - they can’t sell Tom Sawyer merch or Disney+ but they can sell you Cars. So that’s what we are getting.
Advisable Joseph
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Now are you interested in some form of Woody's Roundup there?
Sorry, I didn't understand the objections.
Sorry, I didn't understand the objections.
October82
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Fantasy Springs is almost completely isolated - by design - from Tokyo DisneySea. Independent of what you may or may not think about its success, it is a $1 billion+ expansion with multiple attractions and highly detailed environments. Well beyond what is proposed for Cars in even the most optimistic reading of the concept art. There really is no comparison.
IMO, there is no chance you won’t be impressed - Enjoy your trip!
DarkMetroid567
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Sure, but you can even use the water implementation as a point of comparison. TDS is incredible because of how water plays a central role in the story of the park, to the point that it functions as a transportation system. TDS has a cohesive identity, and then Fantasy Springs is just…. there.
October82
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I’m not sure what your point about the role of water is. Sure - DisneySea is great at using it - a few Cars waterfalls doesn’t compare.
And yes, if it were up to me I wouldn’t have put FantasySprings in DisneySea. It belongs in TDL. But WDI and OLC at least understood that it didn’t fit with the rest of the park and did a great job of separating it into its own space. If Cars were shown the same care - as the IP is in DCA - few people would be as opposed
CoasterCowboy67
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How are springs not the connection to water? Just like harbor, waterfront, coast, delta, island, etc. Fantasy Springs, and DisneySea as a whole, is very thematically consistent
TrainsOfDisney
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At Toy Story land? There wasn’t an objection to it there - it would be a wonderful addition to the land and the park.
The objection was having it replace Country Bears. Which was an actual proposal that changed thanks, in part, to fans and influencers.
DisneyHead123
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Just my way of saying I don't do well with maps, so if you're trying to tell me something with a map my response will be: "Uuuuuhhh... wut?" lol. Much more of a verbal thinker.
Ok, the liberty belle is a stern-wheeler. And Lightning McQueen is (stops, Googles, copies and pastes from Reddit)... a Chevy with an iron block 5.86 L displacement pushrod V8. There are degrees of blending in, I would say Rivers did it a bit better than Cars, if not perfectly. By way of example - it is one thing to have dinosaurs from two different eras in the same scene. It's another to have dinosaurs eating at McDonald's. Different degrees of "not entirely accurate". One has kind of a superficial believability if you're just there to have fun, the other is going to pull even the most casual viewer out of immersion.
Maybe. But I kinda think they will backtrack on this one. Just my two cents, but Disney being a beloved landmark and all, I think there is a relative unity of opinion on a "What the heck!?" sentiment here that crosses a lot of demographics. If there is a pressing reason to fill in Rivers (like money or long term sustainability, which I've seen mentioned here,) I think they will still do that. But I think they will veer towards a more thematically appropriate replacement.
I'd say that almost nobody wants to cancel Fronteir Cars. It seems like it could be a lot of fun..just don't build it on top of the river. There is PLENTY of land to do this elsewhere.
We CAN have Cars...and....the Rivers of America,...at the same time, with no problems.
This would be a win/win situation for ALL fans and nobody loses anything. Disney...you won't need to wall-off a large chunk of Magic Kingdom for 3-5 years to build Cars. You can build Cars without dusturbing any guests at all!!
Disney,...you will make everybody happy and make more money that way!
Tower of Terror retheme at DCA got outright boos and that still happened.
Sir_Cliff
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The problem is, the artwork also features the facades of the Disneyland Paris Frontierland which is odd, to say the least. It doesn't inspire much confidence that this is based on a detailed study of the final plans rather than an artist being given some concepts and broad outlines to work with.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but the main mountain as seen from Liberty Square will be in the shape of a piston. This is also a world where everything references cars, so presumably all the structures in this area will also have cars elements worked into them just as Cars Land does at DCA. Why, then, hide the cars with the big faces and mouths and, if they do, does it really make that big a difference?
Don’t they have like 40,000 freaking acres to play with?! Not everyone can handle even the gentlest of attractions. My DH, for example, found the initial dip in Pirates too much for his liking. A mild ride like the riverboat is needed for folks like him, and probably other motion-averse guests.
I agree with others who have suggested using other parts of the property for Cars and Villains, and keeping ROA
I agree with others who have suggested using other parts of the property for Cars and Villains, and keeping ROA
MagicHappens1971
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I hate to be a broken record. Nobody is reading between the lines. Disney clearly wants to get rid of the RoA & TSI. Point blank, period. Do they have thousands of other acres they could build upon? Yes. Does the MK even have other expansion plots? Yes. Is Disney going to do either of those two things with this project? No.
Whether we like or not Cars is coming to Frontierland. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it and if it is executed well I think it will be a great addition to the Magic Kingdom. I will miss the ambience of the Riverboat, but do agree that the kinetics are much better at Disneyland and feel that this mini-land can also offer pretty good kinetics.
Whether we like or not Cars is coming to Frontierland. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it and if it is executed well I think it will be a great addition to the Magic Kingdom. I will miss the ambience of the Riverboat, but do agree that the kinetics are much better at Disneyland and feel that this mini-land can also offer pretty good kinetics.
Advisable Joseph
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Woody on the island instead of Cars.At Toy Story land? There wasn’t an objection to it there - it would be a wonderful addition to the land and the park.
The objection was having it replace Country Bears. Which was an actual proposal that changed thanks, in part, to fans and influencers.