News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[peter11435]

So there is a dam between ROA and the canal?

If so, how are they able to transport the ferry out for maintenance?

There’s a set of locks.

 

[MrPromey]

There’s a set of locks.

Okay, I stand corrected for some of what I said. (though he's still not right about what he's trying to say about the bottom having to support all that water)

Thanks for the video.

 

[TP2000]

The problem with your math is that even with only one riverboat running only twice per hour they can’t even half fill the thing.

Yeah, because TDO let the entire Rivers of America complex devolve into an overgrown drainage canal over the past 25 years.

Plus it up! Improve it! Bring new show scenes and waterfalls and wildlife to the River, just like Disneyland did! Get multiple boats and watercraft out there interacting with each other, reroute the WDW Railroad so it travels along trestles and embankments to plus up the River show even more. Bring life and showmanship back!

Make the Rivers of America great again!

If they can do it at Disneyland while simultaneously building a Star Wars Land to the immediate north and a hidden Fantasmic! marina inside the railroad berm, then TDO can certainly do it with all the extra land and space they have at Magic Kingdom.

Don't let TDO and Burbank off the hook so easily! There's a show supposed to be happening along the Rivers of America!

 

[danlb_2000]

What's or Who's JT?

I do not believe that is a question that anyone can properly answer.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They don't have to pump water into it. If they did, they wouldn't need to build a temporary dam and pump the water out for parts of it, they'd simply just drain it. The gravitational pull you mentioned in your own statement gets the water where it needs to go.

They do not build dams. There are locks that allow the water level to be adjusted and drained.

Seven Seas lagoon, connected to the ROA by a canal does not have a cement bottom

The riverbed is concrete. Cement is an ingredient in concrete.

The water in the Rivers of America is higher than the water in the Seven Seas Lagoon. The riverbed is keeping that water higher than it would naturally be.

The water does not need to be contained in a structure in order to be at a different level.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Great! I’m just telling you the Liberty Belle Riverboat is done.

I think you may not understand how you come across - you continue to speak in absolutes as though you have a crystal ball or are personal friends with the genie (not to be confused with genie+ - which has not friends).

“There will be water”
“Riverboat is done”

Neither of these are 100% known facts - they both very well may be in the current plans but plans continue to evolve as is obvious from the New Fantasyland announcement to what actually got built. The idea that a coaster would be added to the middle of an already designed and announced addition is way more crazy of a concept that a plan could come up where the Riverboat is still paddling down the river.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Yeah, because TDO let the entire Rivers of America complex devolve into an overgrown drainage canal over the past 25 years.

Plus it up! Improve it! Bring new show scenes and waterfalls and wildlife to the River, just like Disneyland did! Get multiple boats and watercraft out there interacting with each other, get the WDW Railroad traveling along trestles and embankments to plus up the River show even more. Bring life and showmanship back!

Make the Rivers of America great again!

If they can do it at Disneyland while simultaneously building a Star Wars Land to the immediate north and a hidden Fantasmic! marina inside the railroad berm, then TDO can certainly do it with all the extra land and space they have at Magic Kingdom.

Don't let TDO and Burbank off the hook so easily! There's a show supposed to be happening along the Rivers of America!

Unfortunately, there are few people left who understand what made Disney great in the past. Few have the vision it took to make WDW a reality. The same people saying RoA are a waste of space would have taken one look at the swamp Walt and Roy bought and called them crazy. TWDC doesn’t have the creativity or leadership skills that they used to.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It's unbelievable to me how they mishandle such a potential cash cow.

It gets me because REGIONAL PARKS manage to have a full scale of merchandise for their rides, even ones without beloved characters or larger fandoms. From pins to shirts and even plushes at time for random themeless roller coasters. They manage to do it better then the supposed leaders who are stuck just throwing the Elsa and Mickey merch you can get at Walmart in all park stores.

They know Haunted Mansion and Figment are successful sellers and they do a good job merchandising them. There's no reason they can't do some things for every ride, every ride in the park should have some collection of merch buyable nearby. Even if they buy wholesale shirts and iron on different attraction posters. Throw in a few original pieces or even a full collection once every few years like they do sometimes to excite fans.

People want this, they know this is successful. Many rides are undermerched. That they refuse to do it just boggles my mind.

Crazy how a multi billion dollar corporation is too stingy to pay for unique merch but Six Flags #329 that’s running at a net loss has something for every random ride

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

It's unbelievable to me how they mishandle such a potential cash cow.

It gets me because REGIONAL PARKS manage to have a full scale of merchandise for their rides, even ones without beloved characters or larger fandoms. From pins to shirts and even plushes at time for random themeless roller coasters. They manage to do it better then the supposed leaders who are stuck just throwing the Elsa and Mickey merch you can get at Walmart in all park stores.

They know Haunted Mansion and Figment are successful sellers and they do a good job merchandising them. There's no reason they can't do some things for every ride, every ride in the park should have some collection of merch buyable nearby. Even if they buy wholesale shirts and iron on different attraction posters. Throw in a few original pieces or even a full collection once every few years like they do sometimes to excite fans.

People want this, they know this is successful. Many rides are undermerched. That they refuse to do it just boggles my mind.

Wow it's you again.. 100% You can see by Universal with all the merchandise from their original extinct attraction properties. It's very interesting how Test Track being still sponsored is getting the World Of Motion treatment love whatever it may be!

 

[MrPromey]

They do not build dams. There are locks that allow the water level to be adjusted and drained.

I'm pretty sure there have been pictures in this thread showing them dam up parts of the river to block water for sections unless I hallucinated that or they were pictures of DL?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm pretty sure there have been pictures in this thread showing them dam up parts of the river to block water for sections unless I hallucinated that or they were pictures of DL?

They’d build a dam if they need to access an isolated area, but not when they drain the whole river.

 

[MrPromey]

Crazy how a multi billion dollar corporation is too stingy to pay for unique merch but Six Flags #329 that’s running at a net loss has something for every random ride

Now you know one of the reasons Disney's doing so much better.

 

[TP2000]

Unfortunately, there are few people left who understand what made Disney great in the past. Few have the vision it took to make WDW a reality. The same people saying RoA are a waste of space would have taken one look at the swamp Walt and Roy bought and called them crazy. TWDC doesn’t have the creativity or leadership skills that they used to.

That appears to be the case more and more. And yet just six years ago Disneyland spent a small fortune to reroute their railroad and their Rivers of America, bringing new show scenes and animatronics and waterfalls and all sorts of new showmanship to it.

I know there's few people left in TDO who know how to do this, and Josh D'Amaro certainly doesn't seem capable of doing this, but there are still people on the Disney payroll (mostly in Anaheim and Glendale) who know how to do this...

 

[MrPromey]

They’d build a dam if they need to access an isolated area, but not when they drain the whole river.

Okay, those are what I've seen and was referring to - I get what you're saying, though and I know you know more about this kind of stuff than I do, completely.

 

[peter11435]

I think you may not understand how you come across - you continue to speak in absolutes as though you have a crystal ball or are personal friends with the genie (not to be confused with genie+ - which has not friends).

“There will be water”
“Riverboat is done”

Neither of these are 100% known facts - they both very well may be in the current plans but plans continue to evolve as is obvious from the New Fantasyland announcement to what actually got built. The idea that a coaster would be added to the middle of an already designed and announced addition is way more crazy of a concept that a plan could come up where the Riverboat is still paddling down the river.

I speak in absolutes when what I’m saying is absolutely certain

 

[peter11435]

I'm pretty sure there have been pictures in this thread showing them dam up parts of the river to block water for sections unless I hallucinated that or they were pictures of DL?

That was done so they could drain only portions of the river

 

[DisneyNeighbor]

The Disney fan base is going to sit back and let them destroy more of the heart and soul that gives the parks their charm! This is something we will never get back once it's gone!

 

[MrPromey]

That was done so they could drain only portions of the river

Yeah, I understand that. I pointed that out in my initial statement but I get how it doesn't really add anything to the discussion now. I was just confused when lazyboy97o said they didn't do that and I'd specifically seen instances of when they had for the scenario I described.

Again though, that doesn't really matter when getting to the point of my original statement.

 

[tallica]

The funny thing is, Disney could sell merch for ANY parks IP if they wanted to. Haunted Mansion merch sells. Figment merch sells. If they made merch for Pirates (the ride, not the movie), Country Bears, Jungle Cruise, Small World, etc., it'd sell. People love the parks IP more than Disney expects. The CBMJ shirt has been selling well because people WANT CBJ merch. Disney would rather just sell the kind of merch you can get at any Target in America, because it's safe.

Totally agree. Took my sister to MK a few months ago when she was visiting. She is not a Disney fan, but fell in love with IASW. We couldn't find any IASW merch. I even asked at a few shops only to be told "Not sure" or similar. Not one CM made an effort to find out. One of my kids found a pin eventually , but in a different park. Looked online later and could only find merch on Etsy and Amazon.

 

[Wall-e]

I mean, that’s great that your son is excited. But wouldn’t he be just as excited if they put this area somewhere else and kept the river?

Crazy how many people “liked” this comment. He’s 12 and is able to comprehend that for the price of the “River” and an Island he never has a desire to visit that we are getting 1) Cars in the MK, 2) Villains Land, and 3) the possibility of another land beyond BTMRR.

This won’t come across the way I intend but o well…There are so many waterfront options in the REAL world across the US and within the WDW bubble but you know what we just can’t seem to find in all but one place in this entire country???? Any parks outside of California that have a Cars ride that we can all enjoy!!!

I get it. It’s an awesome spot and at night there’s not many places like it. But why try to derail their plans for your own satisfaction? They can’t please everyone but it sure seems there’s a very vocal portion of the fan base that feel Disney NEEDS to please them specifically.