I think they will based on the art. Of course we will have to see when its actually built, but at least the at has a river and waterfalls and geysers
Geysers and maybe a waterfall does not make up for the complete loss of the river. They are not even close to comparable.
Gotta wonder if this was originally considered for DLP since WDW has Cars elsewhere, but they changed their minds and just slapped Tiana's in the background.
Which kind of makes it worse if that *is the case. It’d come across like Disney doesn’t care about WDW enough to come up with a new idea for it. Even when they’re doing the most significant reimagining in the parks history.
This. There will be water in this area and there’s still the chance we have remnants of ROA between BTM and Villians.
At that point, what’s the point of keeping the river at all if it’s between BTM and Villains? The issue here for me is preserving the waterfront.
He gets it. This isn’t just about one area. It’s about bringing them altogether for what’s to come. So much unknown at this point, just looking forward to what we do.
But if they have all of these ideas for the future, at what point do you just build a fifth gate? People have been begging for it for YEARS and Universal building EU gave them the perfect excuse to finally do it. To me, planning them all for MK gives them the perfect justification to axe them when budget cuts hit. But hey who cares. At least they got rid of RoA. Which I guess is what they really want.
I can only hope that they have walking trails through the Cars attraction, not that it'll be quieter, but at it'll probably be less packed. Disney seems to be against benches and shade for whatever reason, likely because those allow people to not be doing anything that requires actively spending money.
i have read through most of this thread and one thing I haven’t seen mentioned is crowds. Sure, Disney may have plans for “quieter areas” or “walking trails” (tbh I doubt it but what do I know) but this area is going to be packed and it’s very likely those “quiet” areas will become extended queues (kind of like Pandora at DAK) which will completely ruin that vibe.
I think there's a near (but not) zero chance that the Mansion gets replaced. It moves too much merchandise, and if you thought people were upset about RoA/TSI or Muppets...
If RoA being bulldozed is generating backlash along with the possibility of muppets being replaced, mansion being replaced would lead to outright revolt. I shudder at that thought.
Poll question:
If this ride was not attached to the cars ip, but was rather called “mickeys off road racing”, and the cars were skinned to be old classic looking cars with the same racing wilderness theme would there be less back lash?
Or is this all to do with getting rid of the boat and river ?
Absolutely not. In my opinion cars of any kind have no place in Frontierland. But I am most upset about the loss of the river and the views.
Seems like significant water features planned
The fact that this is considered “significant” when they’re taking out an entire river is sad.
A waterfall or small pond or puddle is not the same thing as a huge river, I'm sorry. It is not going to add the same atmosphere or vibe or kinetics. Is it better than no water yes, hopefully they follow through and place it in locations that maximize the visibility and kinetics. But, this is a huge loss no matter what.
This. Thank you.
I found this:
Folks, we still have the originals in Disneyland. We're giving up a seldom-used copy for new(ish), more popular attractions. And we still have the entire north area for "Beyond Big Thunder."
We can argue about whether Cars belongs in Frontierland, and what "Frontierland" means. But on the whole, this is a net positive.
I have seen the point of the original still being there a few times and it actually really upsets me. It feels like those of us who grew up with WDW not DLR aren’t allowed to feel sad to see their park ruined. I could go to DLR every year and it’ll never garner the memories for me that WDW does. Not to mention it’s not that easy to travel across country (I live in FL) to go to Disneyland regularly.
What I’m hearing from Disney twitter insiders is that this land is supposed to look like grizzly peak lite at dca.
With waterfalls, streams and proper foliage this honestly can look just as fitting for frontier land.
Yes , the ip is questionable.- but the general theme seems to be very much a fit for the land.
I think “lite” will end up being the keyword in that sentence.
When rockwork is involved, it usually makes the cut. I also don't think the specific development woes that struck the EPCOT spine really translate to anything else.
What would stop them from keeping the rocks but eliminating the water feature? Literally nothing. And again, like I said earlier and others have said, a waterfall is not the same thing as a river.
I’ll reserve judgement until I see more concept art. I think it’s very easy to get wound up using the images they’ve given us so far because they’re so busy. They look loud. The Birds Eye view is straight up chaos. But i think from the ground, on the perimeter by liberty square or CBJ looking in, it’ll be much more peaceful and fitting than people are expecting. With the mountains and trees and water, it’ll be really pretty to walk up to. People forget that half of the point of Cars 1 and 3 was about going back to a quiet time and enjoying the slow life, taking it easy to enjoy the beauty around you. I suspect they’re going to try very hard to preserve that sense of peace a lot of us are afraid of losing with the river/liberty belle/TSI gone.
And I’ll bet money now that the car noises and “ka-chows” will be from in-car speakers that can’t be heard elsewhere, so anyone fretting about Mater extolling the virtues of quality mud flaps while they’re trying to enjoy their turkey leg in peace need not worry.
It can be as pretty as can be but it still does not fit. Cars do not fit in Frontierland. They could have revealed this same concept art and drop it basically anywhere else on Disney property and I, along with most people complaining, would be happy.
That’s what I was thinking. That Cars is just going in a space but Villains is the real reason this choice was made. I’m a fan of the choice regardless but I get why some don’t like it.
That just makes it worse for me. I’ve never quite understood the appeal of the villains or a villains area but to each their own. But if they’d announced a villains area on its own, I’d be intrigued. But I also feel like a better placement would be near fantasyland. Not behind BTM.