News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[el_super]

No, the crux of the issue is current management doesn't understand that underutilized space is critically important to have. You need E ticket thrills AND relaxing hideaways for a theme park, especially the most visited one in the world, to prevent it from feeling oppressive. Even if most people never set foot on the Liberty Belle when visiting MK, almost everyone at the park, even if not consciously, appreciated the ambience it provided.

Do you think that the audience is willing to pay the increased admission prices to pay for attractions they don't intend to use? If the parks keep expanding, and maintenance keeps increasing, so too must the admission price.

This is the whole point of it not being a museum: they are not accepting donations to keep attractions open. They have to sell these attractions to the audience. And in that respect the ROA has been voted off the island.

 

[uncle jimmy]

100%.

A few podcasts ago I was wondering about where Moana was in all of this, and whether we'd see anything at all. And someone in the company emailed me to say "You know Moana has never left the top 5 of Disney+ streaming titles, right?"

Coming out of this D23 we've seen most, but probably not all, of the first 5 years of a 10-year plan.

If it never left the top 5, do you someone realized maybe they should place this Moana attraction someplace more visible and accessible than the fire mountain location in AL?

 

[el_super]

It's directly in front of you, and obviously there when you're standing there.

It's not obvious at all.

Now go post all the other Google Maps photos from Liberty Square where the water is prominent even in their mediocre photos.

Go for it.

 

[RoysCabin]

This. They’re going to continue to build very very lightly themed resorts. Another Disney difference, gone.

Poseidon Entertainment just did a video on Disney resorts, really lauding the best it has to offer but ending with disappointment at the current trend of blander looking ones they're making, or the choices to do things like slap The Incredibles everywhere on the Contemporary, that sort of thing. It's a pretty great launching off point for discussions of "what IS Disney?" to most people - like, to me Disney is a series of design choices and styles. Ergo, something like the Yacht and Beach Club is interesting because it's that Disney style's take on those very things, the Wilderness Lodge is the Disney style's take on a mountain resort, etc. You get some characters here and there, mostly around the gift shops, but it's not overbearing.

The newer stuff is pretty much generic hotel towers, but with Disney characters drawn on some surfaces or what have you, and now it's bleeding over into the previously built hotels (e.g. "throw Beauty and the Beast into our 'Florida in the Victorian Era' themed resort because...reasons!"). I suppose to some that makes it "more Disney", but I think a stronger case can be made that it's abandoning a lot of Disney design principles, thus making it less Disney than it was before, even if that feels strange since it involves an increase in the number of visible Disney characters.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Oh my gosh, I just read D'amro's speech on this and.... um....

If anyone thinks this park of the park is sugar coated manifest destiny NOW (which I am not saying it isn't), boy HOWDY was that speech just that.

 

[Yellow Strap]

Have you seen what they've made lately?

Rise of the Resistance is incredible. The Skyliner is a amazing achievement that is free and fun. Ratatouille and the France expansion is gorgeous and lovely. Cosmic Rewind is one the best rides in Orlando, hand down.

So yes...we have.

 

[John park hopper]

Do you think that the audience is willing to pay the increased admission prices to pay for attractions they don't intend to use? If the parks keep expanding, and maintenance keeps increasing, so too must the admission price.

This is the whole point of it not being a museum: they are not accepting donations to keep attractions open. They have to sell these attractions to the audience. And in that respect the ROA has been voted off the island.

To those first time visitors it is all new --not a museum

 

[Yellow Strap]

This is what I'm hoping for. I know there's no changing the plans, but at the very least, I hope Disney sees the concerns about the waterfront/theming and makes sure to not only keep some water (at the very least so the walkway on the water doesn't feel so cramped) but also make sure to have plenty of waterfalls and new themed areas.

I think they will based on the art. Of course we will have to see when its actually built, but at least the at has a river and waterfalls and geysers

 

[CSOM]

I've read much of this and my additions ultimately don't mean very much, but a few thoughts:
1) I've gone to Disneyland and DCA over WDW in recent years because of things like Radiator Springs, so this is a welcome addition to the resort
2) I think the theming arguments here are overblown and it feels like an issue to a very small, but very vocal, number of fanatics. The rock work of RSR (I know it's not a complete copy) feels like an extension of BTMRR to me even if it's just "west" and not "old west"
3) I'm shocked that ROA, TSI and the Liberty Belle are that popular on here. It's always seemed like a huge waste of space to me. I think I went to TSI once in the 80s, never rode the keelboats, finally rode the Liberty Belle on the most recent trip and don't really need to do again. It seems like an obvious place to me to reclaim land for more popular attractions.

So, another vote from me for this one. The recently announced additions in total may bring me back to WDW when I would've been content going west for the foreseeable future. I'm excited for this and Villains, for Encanto, and for the Monsters Inc land.

Now if we can add another actual live animal attraction to AK, that would be amazing, but I don't know that will ever happen.

 

[durangojim]

just remember, this is the horror that Disney is introducing to Frontierland

 

[peter11435]

To those first time visitors it is all new --not a museum

And first time visitors prefer the newer stuff

 

[Starship824]

May be controversial to say on here, but I've asked a few family members about this and we all agree that we just find MK's RoA and TSI boring. It's something we avoid on trips because there isn't much to do, and it's too hot enjoy. There isn't much to actually look at along the river compared to Disneyland's and DLP's, and the Island is mainly just caves. There just isn't enough there to justify keeping it open beyond nostalgia and that was how MK was first built. We've seen from how the various Rivers of Americas equivalent and later Castle Parks have been created to allow major E-tickets to take place on their Rivers: DLP has Big Thunder Mountain in the middle of it, designed from scratch with the idea of having an E-Ticket in the middle. Hong Kong's River in Adventureland contains the Jungle Cruise surrounding their Tarzan's Treehouse. Eventually, they were always going to replace Tom Sawyer Island, and they need to close the Rivers to get guests to the attraction in the middle of the island.

Yes except those resorts still have a water front. Getting rid of the entire river is a horrible idea.

 

[Yellow Strap]

This is what I'm hoping for. I know there's no changing the plans, but at the very least, I hope Disney sees the concerns about the waterfront/theming and makes sure to not only keep some water (at the very least so the walkway on the water doesn't feel so cramped) but also make sure to have plenty of waterfalls and new themed areas.

I think they will based on the art. Of course we will have to see when its actually built, but at least the art has a river and waterfalls and geysers

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

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Can you point to water here?

Fair enough, when you're standing towards the entrance of the land you can't see the water. I'm also very tall so my point of view definitely doesn't reflect the average guests, haha

 

[Quietmouse]

just remember, this is the horror that Disney is introducing to Frontierland

Good news is that can easily be reskinned during refurbishment to whichever car model you want. The car ip will eventually die off, I am honestly surprised it’s still so popular.

To me the biggest thing is how well detailed and themed the land is. The ride itself is a cars based ip attraction, but the concept of trackless racing can be applied to any ip down the line. Heck it could be it’s standalone ip, call it frontier racing..won’t happen, but you get the point.

That’s my biggest takeaway. As long as the land blends in nicely, which it should with mountains, waterfall, small tiny rivers, etc then this being a car ip doesn’t really make too much of a difference.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Rise of the Resistance is incredible. The Skyliner is a amazing achievement that is free and fun. Ratatouille and the France expansion is gorgeous and lovely. Cosmic Rewind is one the best rides in Orlando, hand down.

So yes...we have.

Something designed for ascending mountains being built on flat land is an amazing achievement? That says so much.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

I think they will based on the art. Of course we will have to see when its actually built, but at least the art has a river and waterfalls and geysers

As long as the rivers are long and connected it's fine with me. I do think a Rockies inspired area would be fun. Hopefully they can make sure the wild west street can blend with it well, maybe building some new buildings on the other side? Or just planting area-appropriate trees and installing covered wagons and such. I dunno man. I think I'm in the bargaining stage right now.

 

[Yellow Strap]

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quick google mapping of other thrilling rides:
Big Thunder ~86,000 Sq ft
Mine Train ~85,000 sq ft
Space ~90,000 sq ft
TT ~136,000 sqft
Guardians ~182,000 sqft
Rise ~97,000 sqft
SDD:~130,000 sqft
Dinosaur ~81,000 sqft
Everest: ~145,000 sqft

Thank you to Jack and the DSNY Newscast for this potential layout.

It could be very big. Villains Land could even be bigger. Like massively bigger...
Plus this saves the railroad from shutting down again for a long time.

 

[orky8]

Do you think that the audience is willing to pay the increased admission prices to pay for attractions they don't intend to use? If the parks keep expanding, and maintenance keeps increasing, so too must the admission price.

This is the whole point of it not being a museum: they are not accepting donations to keep attractions open. They have to sell these attractions to the audience. And in that respect the ROA has been voted off the island.

I'm not going to take as fact the things you seem to think as fact. Disneyland has more than double the number of attractions as Magic Kingdom, yet lower attendance and same or lower ticket price, so your premise that they can't add more attractions without adding to the ticket price is simply false. And, I think the corporate line that the parks aren't a museum is equally misguided. I'm not saying to keep it because it is historically important -- I'm saying to keep it because it is actually important, just not in the ways the current management records importance on spreadsheets because they don't actually understand what makes a theme park work anymore. (Indeed, I'm all for muppets replacing HoP, just to show you I'm not a hardcore don't touch anything person).

No one, or at least very very few people, go to MK for TSI or the riverboat. But that's not the point. I don't go for the people mover or the railroad, either. But it adds to the ambience and it adds options. MK has loads of space to expand on without replacing current attractions and ambience. RSR, as a clone even, would have popped down nicely actually beyond big thunder mountain, and I'm worried this is going to be an inferior version, but that's another topic.

 

[choco choco]

Theme parks do need attractions that are smaller scale, accessible to everyone, and nearly immediately available. However they should not have attractions that regularly operate at less than 20% of their designed capacity.

Why not?