MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mickEblu]

They mean that it would not be executed as currently planned because it would alter the available footprint significantly, particularly if you want to keep the Liberty Belle actually running. Cutting into the Rivers of America too close to the Haunted Mansion or Big Thunder ruins the illusion that it extends far beyond the park, which is a big part of its visual power in the first place. If you cram access next to the Haunted Mansion, you’ll have a narrow chokepoint trying to accommodate two-way traffic when part of the impetus for the update is to eliminate the Big Thunder dead end and improve circulation.

It’s not that a villains section in the area becomes impossible; it’s that you can’t just tell them to delete Cars from the current plan and otherwise carry on.

Cmon, it can absolutely be designed to work. They did it at Disneyland. If the Liberty Belle has to be permanently docked so be it. Better than getting rid of the entire River complex. The ROA’s biggest draw is the ambiance it provides the park and attractions surrounding its bottom half. They were all designed together. You can’t just take the middle or the glue out if you will without the rest of leftover areas surrounding it suffering. The River can be re-shaped on its northern end in a way to still give the illusion that it’s expansive. Again, they did at Disneyland and while we did lose part of that illusion its absolutely still works, is still beautiful and integral to that side of the park.

 

[joanna71985]

I honestly don't mind if they remove ROA. It doesn't bother me at all (especially if it means getting new expansions)

 

[Agent H]

Cmon, it can absolutely be designed to work. They did it at Disneyland. If the Liberty Belle has to be permanently docked so be it. Better than getting rid of the entire River complex. The ROA’s biggest draw is the ambiance it provides the park and attractions surrounding its bottom half. They were all designed together. You can’t just take the middle or the glue out if you will without the rest of leftover areas surrounding it suffering. The River can be re-shaped on its northern end in a way to still give the illusion that it’s expansive. Again, they did at Disneyland and while we did lose part of that illusion its absolutely still works, is still beautiful and integral to that side of the park.

Come on you of all people should know if they did it this way they would demolish the riverboat entirely am I being unusually cynical about this? In the words of the immortal phineas Flynn yes yes I am

 

[James Alucobond]

Cmon, it can absolutely be designed to work. They did it at Disneyland. If the Liberty Belle has to be permanently docked so be it. Better than getting rid of the entire River complex. The ROA’s biggest draw is the ambiance it provides the park and attractions surrounding its bottom half. They were all designed together. You can’t just take the middle or the glue out if you will without the rest of leftover areas surrounding it suffering. The River can be re-shaped on its northern end in a way to still give the illusion that it’s expansive. Again, they did at Disneyland and while we did lose part of that illusion its absolutely still works, is still beautiful and integral to that side of the park.

Again, I did not say it absolutely cannot be engineered to work if they go back to the drawing board. I just said that the current plans are predicated on the access cutting off the Rivers right next to the Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder will provide, so you cannot just ask them to ignore the Cars section of the plans that are being drawn up, as some have done in this thread.

 

[Jedi14]

Lol. Why can’t they build a path near HM to Villains land?

Where?

 

[Agent H]

Where?

I think he just expects them magically find a way to get people from near the entrance to haunted mansion to the plot of land behind fantasy land

 

[mickEblu]

Where?

I think he just expects them magically find a way to get people from near the entrance to haunted mansion to the plot of land behind fantasy land

Cmon guys, use your imagination. Assuming there is ABSOLUTELY nowhere else (which you guys seem to be convinced of) why couldn’t they fill part of the river in to create a path there if the boat is docked? I mean it’s fine if you are excited for Cars/ Planes straight to DVD land but let’s not pretend this is impossible.

 

[mickEblu]

Not that the riverboat would necessarily have to be docked for the path but it may not really be feasible to continue running depending on how much of the river gets cut.

 

[mickEblu]

Again, I did not say it absolutely cannot be engineered to work if they go back to the drawing board. I just said that the current plans are predicated on the access cutting off the Rivers right next to the Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder will provide, so you cannot just ask them to ignore the Cars section of the plans that are being drawn up, as some have done in this thread.

Ok so cancel the current plans and go back to the drawing board. My point was someone brought up the fact that it couldn’t work without Cars Land which is not true as you just admitted. Not to mention i have two people quoting me right now asking me “where” or making silly comments about me expecting Disney to “magically” create a path as if it’s impossible.

 

[Agent H]

Cmon guys, use your imagination. Assuming there is ABSOLUTELY nowhere else (which you guys seem to be convinced of) why couldn’t they fill part of the river in to create a path there if the boat is docked? I mean it’s fine if you are excited for Cars/ Planes straight to DVD land but let’s not pretend this is impossible.

The exent to which i am excited for this is merely to see how they fit it into the existing small plot of land it’s going to take some Disneyland wedge it in type of thinking to make this work and that’s what I look forward to I cringe when I think of how this is going to work with the existing frontier town as far as the haunted mansion path goes based on all the information I have available it would take phineas and ferb levels of creative ingenuity to make it work if you or anyone one else has evidence to the contrary let me know I am always open to new information

 

[mickEblu]

The exent to which i am excited for this is merely to see how they fit it into the existing small plot of land it’s going to take some Disneyland wedge it in type of thinking to make this work and that’s what I look forward to I cringe when I think of how this is going to work with the existing frontier town as far as the haunted mansion path goes based on all the information I have available it would take phineas and ferb levels of creative ingenuity to make it work if you or anyone one else has evidence to the contrary let me know I am always open to new information

Well I can see that your expectations/ standards for Disney are not very high. Can’t say that I blame you.

 

[Agent H]

I do think there is a way to get us to villains land without out getting rid of the rivers if they filled it in only from the Tom Sawyer dock to villains land and this way more people would probably go to whatever the island gets rethemed to

 

[mickEblu]

I do think there is a way to get us to villains land without out getting rid of the rivers if they filled it in only from the Tom Sawyer dock to villains land and this way more people would probably go to whatever the island gets rethemed to

Wait, so it wouldn’t require magic?

 

[James Alucobond]

Ok so cancel the current plans and go back to the drawing board. My point was someone brought up the fact that it couldn’t work without Cars Land which is not true as you just admitted. Not to mention i have two people quoting me right now asking me “where” or making silly comments about me expecting Disney to “magically” create a path as if it’s impossible.

Wanting them to scrap the current plan is valid. It's just that some of the more appealing alternate solutions are vastly more expensive than what you're proposing. It's not just a matter of figuring out some creative workaround within the same budget, which is probably what people mean when they say that Villains wouldn't be happening as envisioned (e.g. same scale, same time horizon) without the proposed pathing that disrupts RoA. It would likely become a phase 3 or 4 thing, which would significantly jeopardize its chances of ever happening. It's already questionable as a phase 2!

 

[Agent H]

Wait, so it wouldn’t require magic?

I was referring specifically to your haunted mansion path idea

 

[mickEblu]

Wanting them to scrap the current plan is valid. It's just that some of the more appealing alternate solutions are vastly more expensive than what you're proposing. It's not just a matter of figuring out some creative workaround within the same budget, which is probably what people mean when they say that Villains wouldn't be happening as envisioned (e.g. same scale, same time horizon) without the proposed pathing that disrupts RoA. It would likely become a phase 3 or 4 thing, which would significantly jeopardize its chances of ever happening. It's already questionable as a phase 2!

IMO the dumbest thing they could do is bulldoze the area and NOT build Villains land. Absolute worst case scenario.

 

[bmr1591]

It's probably been mentioned in the 417 pages before this, but doesn't the concept art show water running through part of the track? They could have a waterfall with a river running off of it that the vehicles drive through.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I do think there is a way to get us to villains land without out getting rid of the rivers if they filled it in only from the Tom Sawyer dock to villains land and this way more people would probably go to whatever the island gets rethemed to

There is…. I posted this back towards the announcement but it’s quite simple.

 

[WorldExplorer]

It's probably been mentioned in the 417 pages before this, but doesn't the concept art show water running through part of the track? They could have a waterfall with a river running off of it that the vehicles drive through.

Whatever water features it ends up with, I expect them to end up showing much more obvious wear and tear than the island did.

The water features in the Little Mermaid area look terrible. There's paint peeling everywhere and the pool with the Nautilus in it is completely green. I don't think they ever fish the garbage out of any of them.

 

[Disstevefan1]

IMO the dumbest thing they could do is bulldoze the area and NOT build Villains land. Absolute worst case scenario.

I am bookmarking this post so in 7 to 9 years when whatever they were trying to do is done (sans Villains land) then I will bring this post back and say how RIGHT you were...