News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[celluloid]

Yeah… the original Fantasyland was even more American. Dumbo and Casey Jr. Was definitely American circus. Carousel and dark rides were very carnival like. Then there was the skull rock and pirate ship.

The castle was more of an “American fairy tale castle” like you’d find in a park as well.

And at the time Most Americans knew those stories as their bedtime fables carried over from where their families immigrated from. Disney was adapting them but they were all very well known literature and folk.

There are quotes and entire books written on how Disneyland was a love letter to America. Walt intended it so.
It even included "hard facts" here and there.

You can't educate without inspiring. Disney knew he could slip hard truths in there in dramaturgy.
As for musuems...those can be just as vibe over fact. One can argue all history is, is memory and vibes when objective gets harder to get. So many museums can get things more wrong than good dramaturgy.

 

[celluloid]

EDIT: I like your Mermaid comparison too. Bc I really don’t care for it at all, but I would at least say the Under the Sea scene is better than anything MK has going on.

Which is kind of sad that with that and Ursula it peaks. And the lighting in Under The Sea and figures having more animation would elevate it easily, or tje entire ride needed to be as good as those.

Another ding against Mario is it is not zany enough to warrant the restraint and height requirement. If it was the sets may feel like you were zooming through a race more without speed and it is similar to the issue witb Cat in The Hat post spin changes. Raised height requirement lessened the experience even though many aspects are great when it functions.

Mario needs to either be zanier or figure out different seating with lower height requirement. It is in a weird spot.

Roger Rabbit Cartoon Spin is a good comparison for Mario Kart for me in scale for the ride itself.


I will say the first time the rainbow road finale was a great smooth illusion. A unique trippy speed tunnel moment. Got a smile on my face.

 

[Incomudro]

Sure, but I think what people in general are pointing to is the fact that Walt was vision oriented, not profit oriented.

I’m not even saying there’s anything wrong with being profit oriented to an extent. Arguably, a Walt without his counterbalance in Roy is a Walt we never would have heard of. Somebody has to pay the bills and keep the lights on. But Walt’s primary mode of being really seems to have been a visionary one, not a profit oriented one. And I think it’s natural for people to invoke that general spirit and set of values when they feel like profit is being over-prioritized in an unbalanced way. People don’t want the artistry of the parks to get lost in an endless series of bets on how to increase guest spending in the short term while decreasing guest experience in the longer term.

"Build it and they will come."

 

[TomboyJanet]

I hated the AR. But I find the ride itself in person without the goggles amazingly fun and zany as if a modern fantasyland dark ride was actually built with more realized sets. I would ride it over Mermaid any day. Like a MIB in Toon atmosphere. And I am not a Mario fan. The AR can always be(should be) improved.(we know that does not always happen in theme parks, but Uni's update is slightly better than Disney's software media updates)
It did not deliver and became too much of a focus rather than making the ride good. They would have been better off with practical effects and screen action occurring in 3D than augmented reality as it ruined the practical for me. I felt like I was wearing a Virtual Boy or a Tiger Electronic visor.

I agree with that. I feel like especially if your head doesn't fit right in the thing it can be dizzying, and detracts from the experience. I think that their physical sets are what did it for me, and I wished they had gone with mostly those

 

[TomboyJanet]

Sure, but I think what people in general are pointing to is the fact that Walt was vision oriented, not profit oriented.

I’m not even saying there’s anything wrong with being profit oriented to an extent. Arguably, a Walt without his counterbalance in Roy is a Walt we never would have heard of. Somebody has to pay the bills and keep the lights on. But Walt’s primary mode of being really seems to have been a visionary one, not a profit oriented one. And I think it’s natural for people to invoke that general spirit and set of values when they feel like profit is being over-prioritized in an unbalanced way. People don’t want the artistry of the parks to get lost in an endless series of bets on how to increase guest spending in the short term while decreasing guest experience in the longer term.

Everything great is a balance of two ends that meet in the middle, it's a universal constant

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Another ding against Mario is it is not zany enough to warrant the restraint and height requirement. If it was the sets may feel like you were zooming through a race more without speed and it is similar to the issue witb Cat in The Hat post spin changes. Raised height requirement lessened the experience even though many aspects are great when it functions.

Mario needs to either be zanier or figure out different seating with lower height requirement. It is in a weird spot.

The restraints will always frustrate the hell out of me and I really don’t understand what Universal is thinking, and it’s an issue shared with Yoshi’s Adventure and Secret Life of Pets. Yoshi is already a not great ride, but the restraints mean that I wouldn’t ride it again unless the wait was under 10 minutes. I’m not even a big guy, but I hate a slow-moving “dark” ride feeling like I’m on an RMC coaster.

 

[FettFan]

Honestly I can’t agree here. If we want to talk about shortsightedness, wasting that space on a singular attraction rather than a proper land with multiple locations (attraction, shops, restaurant, etc) would’ve been a poor choice. Yes there is development space behind Launch Bay but it would mean a much smaller land because it’s cut off by MMRR, a ride that fits just fine in the building it’s currently in.

In my own Blue Sky Mind, MMRR would have been the E-ticket and gateway to a proper Toontown as envisioned in the wake of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, before the idea was shelved in favor of Sunset Boulevard.

It would have even seen a revamped Mr. Toad ride, similar in mechanics to Car Toon Spin, but starring J. Thaddeus Toad as Toontown’s fire chief careening through the streets on a fire engine.


Tally ho!

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

It's really interesting to me that in a sense they want to say the demographic of WDW is normies (those who just come for Disney only want IP they know) and not locals or fans as Disneyland is.

So if WDW is that and your deciding to bring in Cars to the property then why not Cars Land geared to the larger demographic you have whom practically all familiar of the film.

Most practicaly know nothing of the Planes films. None of this concept is featured in any Cars films but all inspired by in order
(to fit frontierland).. same thing can be said for TBA with not doing the ride based on the beloved film at WDW either but having Tiana in swamp gear is to fit frontierland?

Again Walt Disney World is not Disneyland but continuing to build not for WDW is my point here.
If Disney doesnt want to keep parts of Frontierland than build another land on what your removing. Desert Land made more sense.

 

[Nickm2022]

Do we know about the height and depth of the car's expansion? Because I assume based on the concept art that the mountain thingy and the new buildings will at least be two stories tall if not three? I also wonder if the ride will be multi level like Dinosaur or Rise

 

[Donfan]

Also, the video shows that the Cars portion will only take up a little over half of the Rivers of America. What will happen to the rest of the area?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Also, the video shows that the Cars portion will only take up a little over half of the Rivers of America. What will happen to the rest of the area?

In the art The lower island is where Cars is going - the upper island is where Villains is going.

Villians is supposedly “the size of galaxies edge” which would fill the upper island area about to where the existing canal is. Kinda depends on where the land starts - they can’t go too wide without getting into fireworks fallout zone, and I don’t think there are any plans to redirect the canal so will be interesting to see what they are thinking there.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Do we know about the height and depth of the car's expansion? Because I assume based on the concept art that the mountain thingy and the new buildings will at least be two stories tall if not three? I also wonder if the ride will be multi level like Dinosaur or Rise

Also, the video shows that the Cars portion will only take up a little over half of the Rivers of America. What will happen to the rest of the area?

Dunno. Dunno. Dunno.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Villians is supposedly “the size of galaxies edge”

I thought it was Cars and Villains being the size of GE?

All of RoA and everything up to the train is pretty much exactly 14 acres, which is the size of GE.

 

[Starship824]

In the art The lower island is where Cars is going - the upper island is where Villains is going.

Villians is supposedly “the size of galaxies edge” which would fill the upper island area about to where the existing canal is. Kinda depends on where the land starts - they can’t go too wide without getting into fireworks fallout zone, and I don’t think there are any plans to redirect the canal so will be interesting to see what they are thinking there.

If it's the size of galaxies it'll go beyond the canel, there's not a enough room for that size otherwise.

 

[TomboyJanet]

Do we know about the height and depth of the car's expansion? Because I assume based on the concept art that the mountain thingy and the new buildings will at least be two stories tall if not three? I also wonder if the ride will be multi level like Dinosaur or Rise

I assume It will need to wind in on itself many times, Possibly due to the constraints of the area. It seems to me like it will occupy the lower ROA while Villains would occupy the upper. Idk how much the hurricane effected the water tables if at all though.

 

[JD80]

I thought it was Cars and Villains being the size of GE?

All of RoA and everything up to the train is pretty much exactly 14 acres, which is the size of GE.

I don't think we know anything about size?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I don't think we know anything about size?

It was said, I think by Josh at D23 it was the size of GE.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

All of RoA and everything up to the train is pretty much exactly 14 acres, which is the size of GE.

I think Villains will go beyond the train tracks to the canal. It will fill the laydown yard that sits next to the river on the permits.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

I think Villains will go beyond the train tracks to the canal. It will fill the laydown yard that sits next to the river on the permits.

We don't know where the entrance to this land will start or how far will there be just walking before any of the land begins. Part of me guesses is not at all where HM and and Big Thunder is as it would appear with Cars.

 

[JD80]

It was said, I think by Josh at D23 it was the size of GE.

Both together? I figured villains itself was the size of GE. Maybe I'm misremembering.