News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[donsullivan]

The penguin’s got a point when TWDC was, let’s face it, running RCID, they could do as they please. Now with CFTOD, that freedom is gone.

So, yes, the path of least resistance is to destroy ROA, TSI.

And TWDC has only itself to blame for losing RCID.

And it’s only really the guests who suffer.

This is not CFTOD, this is South Florida Water Management District. They go through this stuff all the time and have for many, many decades. A good (albeit smaller) example was when they build the Grand Flo DVC, they filled in part of Seven Seas Lagoon to site the building where they did. SFWMD required them to restore the water storage capacity lost from filling that in as part of approving the permits. They just dug Bay Lake out a little larger just east of the water bridge to maintain the storage capacity of the water system. This sort of stuff happens all the time for every major construction project in Florida. SFWMD wants to be sure the construction will not cause a new flooding problem either upstream, downstream or within the construction area after it's completed and make sure plans are in place to mitigate that. This is pretty ordinary stuff for this sort of project.

 

[Unbanshee]

It's standard red tape protocol. This stuff unfortunately happens all the time. Disney filed the permits for the trailers for DAK a while back now and they haven't done anything there yet. No need to worry just yet.

The DAK permit was approved by the state already, right?

 

[Batman'sParents]

This is pretty common in FL with projects related to wetland mitigation. I need to find it, but I'm pretty I had seen something before that Disney had indicated that there was land west of Magic Kingdom that offset impacted land from proposed redevelopment sites.

 

[PascagoulaRun]

As somebody who does this type of work for a living, the RAI is pretty boilerplate. There's nothing in there that's going to force them to make substantial changes.

 

[Tha Realest]

Here is a link to the letter...

https://apps.sfwmd.gov/entsb/docdownload?object_id=0900eeea96a2a6a7

it's not unusual for SFWMD to look for more information on a permit, but this is one of the more extensive lists of issues that I have seen.

Disney should welcome this! It’s another opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to preserving the environment.

 

[Tha Realest]

If that’s true, do they need to offset the loss of ROA with another expansion of that body of water?

 

[donsullivan]

If that’s true, do they need to offset the loss of ROA with another expansion of that body of water?

Yes, they will need to offset the water storage capacity of RofA as part of the whole solution since it' part of the overall flood control system on the full property since the late 60's. It's been a few weeks but I believe there was a very large retention pond just south of the pyro storage bunkers in the original submission plans.

 

[danlb_2000]

The DAK permit was approved by the state already, right?

SFWMD has approved it and Notices of Commencement have been filed. Since it's backstage we wouldn't necessarily know if work had started yet or not.

 

[Unbanshee]

SFWMD has approved it and Notices of Commencement have been filed. Since it's backstage we wouldn't necessarily know if work had started yet or not.

That's what I had thought, thanks

 

[gmichaels22]

Who cares? Ripping out some of the last vestiges of Walt's FrontierLand is gross, and replacing it with Blizzard Beach race cars next to Haunted Mansion is criminal. "We have enough land for SEVEN more theme parks". Well use some of it instead of destroying traditional Disney and "transforming it" into Six Flags.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes, they will need to offset the water storage capacity of RofA as part of the whole solution since it' part of the overall flood control system on the full property since the late 60's. It's been a few weeks but I believe there was a very large retention pond just south of the pyro storage bunkers in the original submission plans.

Correct, it is a pretty large retention pond. I have roughly marked in red.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

Do we know if there is any truth to the earlier rumors about the south loop being retained?

 

[Gusey]

Do we know if there is any truth to the earlier rumors about the south loop being retained?

I think that was more wishful thinking/denial. Disney have announced that Cars will replace Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island. From the Parks Blog "To make way for this completely new frontier, the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island will be transformed into vast and rugged terrains for a rally race with some of the world’s most iconic racers. "

 

[EricsBiscuit]

If they had that attitude WDW would never have been built. The entire resort is basically built on wetlands.

Not the point. Right now they have lower hanging fruit. Why not pluck that before? This project is unnecessary, complex, controversial, and very very expensive.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think that was more wishful thinking/denial.

I think there was one “credible” source that indicated it was an option being considered. I can’t remember for sure.

I do agree it’s mostly wishful thinking.

 

[JD80]

Correct, it is a pretty large retention pond. I have roughly marked in red.

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Along with quite a few series of canals and locks.

 

[JD80]

Not the point. Right now they have lower hanging fruit. Why not pluck that before? This project is unnecessary, complex, controversial, and very very expensive.

This is probably the cheapest way to expand the parks with more usable attractions.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

This is probably the cheapest way to expand the parks with more usable attractions.

Not replacing Stitch? The Speedway is truly outdated, contributes little to the beauty of the park, and doesn’t come saddled with environmental red tape baggage. There’s also the undeveloped Adventureland plot. Theres space between MSUSA and TL. Point being: there’s other lower hanging fruits.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Not replacing Stitch? The Speedway is truly outdated, contributes little to the beauty of the park, and doesn’t come saddled with environmental red tape baggage. There’s also the undeveloped Adventureland plot. Theres space between MSUSA and TL. Point being: there’s other lower hanging fruits.

I would use speedway and the plot between Main Street and Tomorrowland first.

I’d also probably put villains at DHS - they have the land ready to go, need more attractions, and villains fit better over there thematically.

But for some strange reason Bob and Josh didn’t ask me! Haha

 

[TimeDuck]

As somebody who does this type of work for a living, the RAI is pretty boilerplate. There's nothing in there that's going to force them to make substantial changes.

My wife does as well and I had her read the RAI, and she said this is all par for the course. At most it'll just take up more time from the planners internally to respond.