News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[MisterPenguin]

Biggest example is Frozen at DLP. Announced in 2018, construction began in 2022 and opening in 2026. 4 years of actual construction and 8 years of development. At least with Cars, we know construction is beginning next year, so it'll be interesting to see how long until it opens. Will it be 2026, or 2028 (2027 is being reserved for Tropical Americas)?

If Jim Hill's constant 'leak' of a Monsters Inc. door coaster is correct for the past 17 years. Then once it is finally built and open, we can claim it took over 20 years to construct it!!

 

[Disstevefan1]

I follow construction projects as a hobby. People underestimate what slows down projects from a permit approval perspective/weather related slow downs/to lack of quality labor force.

Oh, WE KNOW how SLOW projects go in WDW because reasons.

On the other hand, its fun to watch EPIC get built at break neck speed!

 

[Schmidt]

that’s not true - I don’t think cosmic rewind is the right there, and it was crazy expensive for what they got… but I still think it’s an e ticket. It is the definition of an e ticket.

I don’t think 7 dwarves mine train is an e-ticket.

I agree about the mine train. It’s not far off from an E-ticket and the theming is great, but it’s too short and it’s a coaster really designed for the little ones in mind. It’s a solid D-D plus in my opinion. I feel like with a E- ticket there should be no question about it.
Guardian/Pandora/Rise/ETC…

 

[erasure fan1]

That's bad faith accounting of Disney construction. Yes, some things took way too long, but in the case of Pandora, the arguments get very disingenuous.

It depends on how you interpret what was being talked about. I would be shocked to walk into this land in less than 5yrs from now. That's not being disingenuous. That's a Disney PR issue.

Some count the announcement time as part of the construction time. Which, again, is disingenuous.

Here's a thought. Don't announce things until you are closer to breaking ground. When you say, "we are bringing you to the world of James Camerons Avatar...." And then 6yrs later you get to experience it. That's on them, it's just a bad look. The video game industry suffers from this as well. They announce a game and they've barley started preproduction. Then release the game 6, 7, 8+ yrs later and wonder why they get flack.

The problem in my opinion is Disney does a lot of these announcements as a reactionary thing. Pandora felt like a reaction to Potter. These D23 announcements felt like a reaction from the beat down they took from the last couple D23s and having nothing. So again, I don't think it's disingenuous. Stop announcing things so far out.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Peter Pan was a C ticket, and decades later, was one of the most in-demand Fast Pass attractions.

I'm slightly wondering what peoples definition of an E ticket is at this point. County Bear and the rafts to Tom Sawyer were once considered an E-ticket. RSR I would consider an E ticket + any new ride system they make for this seemingly pretty huge attraction I would consider an E-ticket.

What makes an E/D/C Ticket an E/D/C Ticket attraction has changed over time. The classification once reflected the cost of building the ride and, thus, a higher price for a higher tier ticket to recoup the expense.

Then Disney started to use the ticket tiers for crowd control. If a lower tier ride had lines that were too long, it got kicked up a tier, hoping that extra cost of the ticket would lessen demand. Worked in the other direction, too.

DL's Alice ride wend from a D to C to B.

So, if Disney/WDI can change the tier level at will, then maybe we fans should recognize that what was once an E Ticket ride is showing its age and is no longer in the E Tier.

Disney/WDI continues to use the ticket tiers internally and they don't advertise those tier levels to the public. The General Public slaps "E Ticket" on any ride that is fully-ish themed and very popular. Only us Disney fans talk about determining if a ride is an E/D or C Ticket.

And it's wise that Disney/WDI doesn't advertise their own tier level designation. Imagine if they said a ride which people weren't crazy about was an E Ticket. They'd be crucified on social media. "How the heck do they think *that* is an E Ticket!!! <pulls out hair>."

For a discussion of the ticket tiers, see here:

A-E TICKET ATTRACTIONS

Hello all, It's been a while since I have been on the forums. But I have a question for anyone, I'm trying to find a list or what I can find about what attractions are under what tickets (A-E)? Also I'm only looking at attractions in the magic kingdom, and all attractions new and old...

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[splah]

We see some vehicles exiting a cave. what if they were to build a new rainbow caverns in there?

 

[Gusey]

Here's a thought. Don't announce things until you are closer to breaking ground. When you say, "we are bringing you to the world of James Camerons Avatar...." And then 6yrs later you get to experience it. That's on them, it's just a bad look. The video game industry suffers from this as well. They announce a game and they've barley started preproduction. Then release the game 6, 7, 8+ yrs later and wonder why they get flack.

At least they've kind of learnt their lesson this time. Tropical Americas @ AK is starting construction this year and Cars @ MK, Monsters @ HS & Avengers @ DCA are all starting construction next year along with Walt Disney & MK night parade debuting. Coco is beginning construction in 2026. Of all the domestic park announcements, only Pandora and Villains have no construction start dates, right?

 

[Disstevefan1]

At least they've kind of learnt their lesson this time. Tropical Americas @ AK is starting construction this year and Cars @ MK, Monsters @ HS & Avengers @ DCA are all starting construction next year along with Walt Disney & MK night parade debuting. Coco is beginning construction in 2026.

It will be interesting to see the ACTUAL timelines with the various, changes, pauses, delays etc.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I feel like with a E- ticket there should be no question about it.
Guardian/Pandora/Rise/ETC

Even there… for me personally Flight of Passage isn’t an E - I kinda don’t get the hype. But I acknowledge it’s an E. If that makes sense.

So, if Disney/WDI can change the tier level at will, then maybe we fans should recognize that what was once an E Ticket ride is showing its age and is no longer in the E Tier.

I don’t think anyone is saying country bears and tiki room should still be considered an E?

 

[danlb_2000]

Construction is supposed to begin next year. Doesn't mean it actually will.

If any work starts this year I imagine it will be the water management changes and laydown yards.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If any work starts this year I imagine it will be the water management changes and laydown yards.

Dirt is moving! Churros are back!

 

[erasure fan1]

At least they've kind of learnt their lesson this time. Tropical Americas @ AK is starting construction this year and Cars @ MK, Monsters @ HS & Avengers @ DCA are all starting construction next year along with Walt Disney & MK night parade debuting. Coco is beginning construction in 2026. Of all the domestic park announcements, only Pandora and Villains have no construction start dates, right?

Hopefully they have. That's how you change a reputation. Announce something, then get it up and running in reasonable timeframe. If they can do that for all of these projects, people will stop thinking everything you do takes 5 to 7yrs. If Monsters inc and cars take 5+ years to open, it will be the same old, Disney moves at a snails pace mentality.

 

[JD80]

I follow construction projects as a hobby. People underestimate what slows down projects from a permit approval perspective/weather related slow downs/to lack of quality labor force.

I once had a decent sizes project that relied on building permits of another project in the same area. Simple occupancy permit. The township denied it, then took the maximum 60 days to come back to reaccess just to deny again for another 60 days.

It was all for something silly that took 1 day to fix.

 

[JD80]

I agree about the mine train. It’s not far off from an E-ticket and the theming is great, but it’s too short and it’s a coaster really designed for the little ones in mind. It’s a solid D-D plus in my opinion. I feel like with a E- ticket there should be no question about it.
Guardian/Pandora/Rise/ETC…

E Ticket simply means its a headliner attraction. The fact that its a SPLL and that it regularly gets long lines makes it an E-Ticket.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don’t think anyone is saying country bears and tiki room should still be considered an E?

These days, An E ticket ride is any ride I can get on on that day in the park for free

 

[Stripes]

If any work starts this year I imagine it will be the water management changes and laydown yards.

The engineering report recommended that Disney build the laydown yards when there‘s little to no rain. At least that was the recommendation for the laydown yards where the organic soils are being removed.

I’d expect to see trees being removed along the northwest side of the Rivers of America late this year or early next year.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before. It's from the D23 presentation.

 

[flynnibus]

Disney how about leaving RoA and TSI alone and develop Discovery Island it's been abandoned for years. Build a gondola or bridge to get to it, about 11.5 acres put you car idea there. Save the original and build new everyone wins

If TSI actually was busy... or if the riverboat actually passed scenes of substance... maybe Disney would treasure them more. Disney has plenty of land around... but land WITHIN your existing theme park that is under utilized is far more interesting than land somewhere else on property.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Do you understand the logistics for getting that many people across a giant expanse of water for a single ride? For what "Cars Island"?

What a castaway place!

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

What no one nobody is ever mentioning about this experience is how dusty it's going to be just look at that screaming concept arts. The last thing we need aside humidity and heat is dust flying everywhere flying at our hair ohh then dodging geysers though our eyes, and—Mater's favorite—splashing through mudholes." That will likely help try to wash our hair. "Talking about thrill factor on contact."

Mater - "well dang heck darn it"