News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

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Quietmouse

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Where is this idea coming from? The Blue Sky photos of Disneyland Forward with zero confirmed plans attached? It’s literally just SWGE and MMRR that have been net new expansions of land cross the entire CA resort
  • Avengers Campus and Guardians are replacements
  • Avatar is (likely) a replacement
  • Tiana is also a replacement
  • San Fransokyo was an IP re-skin
  • Pixar Pier all IP re-skins
Coco boat ride might be the only new addition announced for CA at D23 depending on where they put it. But it doesn’t even break ground until 2026

In the same time, FL also got SWGE as a net new addition, we got Remy’s as an addition, and Tron as a net new addition. Meanwhile at D23, we have a whole net new Villains land with 2 attractions and very likely to go down as its most popular recent land addition in over a decade. And still unclear re: Monsters’ location
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Shhh 🤫 it destroys the everything is wrong and the sky is falling narrative.
 
Starship824

Starship824

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In the Parks
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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Where is this idea coming from? The Blue Sky photos of Disneyland Forward with zero confirmed plans attached? It’s literally just SWGE and MMRR that have been net new expansions of land cross the entire CA resort
  • Avengers Campus and Guardians are replacements
  • Avatar is (likely) a replacement
  • Tiana is also a replacement
  • San Fransokyo was an IP re-skin
  • Pixar Pier all IP re-skins
Coco boat ride might be the only new addition announced for CA at D23 depending on where they put it. But it doesn’t even break ground until 2026

In the same time, FL also got SWGE as a net new addition, we got Remy’s as an addition, and Tron as a net new addition. Meanwhile at D23, we have a whole net new Villains land with 2 attractions and very likely to go down as its most popular recent land addition in over a decade. And still unclear re: Monsters’ location
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Galaxy's Edge and Toy story land both replaced the backlot tour and the streets of America. They were not net New editions. Villains land is replacing the rivers of America. I'll give you Tron.
 
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Quietmouse

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Starship824 said:
Galaxy's Edge and Toy story land both replaced the backlot tour and the streets of America. They were not net New editions. Villains land is replacing the rivers of America. I'll give you Tron.
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Isn’t it a combination of cars and villains land ?

Cars land is supposed to feature 2 attractions and villains land is rumored to feature one coaster and one type of dark (boat ? ) ride.

Say bare minimum 4 attractions, that still outweighed the boat (1 attraction) going in a circle and visiting an island with nothing really to do (2nd attraction).
 
Starship824

Starship824

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Quietmouse said:
Isn’t it a combination of cars and villains land ?

Cars land is supposed to feature 2 attractions and villains land is rumored to feature one coaster and one type of dark (boat ? ) ride.

Say bare minimum 4 attractions, that still outweighed the boat (1 attraction) going in a circle and visiting an island with nothing really to do (2nd attraction).
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Doesn't change the fact that it's still not a pure addition and is replacing 2 attractions
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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Starship824 said:
Galaxy's Edge and Toy story land both replaced the backlot tour and the streets of America. They were not net New editions. Villains land is replacing the rivers of America. I'll give you Tron.
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The backlot tour that closed a decade ago? That is now 4 net new attractions? Thats a net new add

Villains is going in the back and net new in an area equivalent to SWGR at DL. Cars is what is replacing ROA, and I did not count it
 
BuzzedPotatoHead89

BuzzedPotatoHead89

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It’s very simple - if a new addition adds guest usable acreage to the park then it’s an addition. If it replaced an existing attraction that was used by guests that is a replacement but not an “addition” in the traditional sense even if it may have additive benefits in terms of revenue, interest, etc.


Backstage areas that were for back of office staff are not guest facing and traditionally not factored into park acreage.
 
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Quietmouse

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TrainsOfDisney said:
backlot tour, lights motors, theatre, shrunk the kids playground and streets of America.

Technically that’s 4 attractions plus a themed area which hosted one of the most popular holiday attractions.
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Are we really considering the last 2 as attractions? I feel like there is a heavy dose of grasping at straws at the moment purely driven to make a point.
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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Quietmouse said:
Are we really considering the last 2 as attractions? I feel like there is a heavy dose of grasping at straws at the moment purely driven to make a point.
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Don’t worry about it. People will grasp at whatever they want to further a narrative. Not counting Toy Story Land and SWGE as significant net new adds to Hollywood Studios makes that clear. Unclear they even Remy counted to them lol

It’s ok, fact still holds DL hasn't been some poster child for net new additions compared to WDW, and D23 didn’t change that
 
October82

October82

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
Where is this idea coming from? The Blue Sky photos of Disneyland Forward with zero confirmed plans attached? It’s literally just SWGE and MMRR that have been net new expansions of land cross the entire CA resort
  • Avengers Campus and Guardians are replacements
  • Avatar is (likely) a replacement
  • Tiana is also a replacement
  • San Fransokyo was an IP re-skin
  • Pixar Pier all IP re-skins
Coco boat ride might be the only new addition announced for CA at D23 depending on where they put it. But it doesn’t even break ground until 2026

In the same time, FL also got SWGE as a net new addition, we got Remy’s as an addition, and Tron as a net new addition. Meanwhile at D23, we have a whole net new Villains land with 2 attractions and very likely to go down as its most popular recent land addition in over a decade. And still unclear re: Monsters’ location
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I was also very skeptical of their intentions, but Disney has made commitments to the city of Anaheim that require them to develop the DisneylandForward areas with attractions.

Whether the new areas will be ticketed separately, how much of it will be new attractions vs other uses, and the timeline of the development are less certain.

DCA is also receiving two new Marvel attractions and the consensus on the DLR forum is that Coco likely goes behind the Pixar Pier Boardwalk in current backstage areas. Avatar will also be a true expansion, with the rerouting of the monorail beam and expansion into current bus drop off areas. Current areas will be demolished to facilitate access to the expansion pad. I wouldn’t call that a replacement but there are some parallels to how development at WDW is done.
 
Starship824

Starship824

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
The backlot tour that closed a decade ago? That is now 4 net new attractions? Thats a net new add

Villains is going in the back and net new in an area equivalent to SWGR at DL. Cars is what is replacing ROA, and I did not count it
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Villains is taking over the back half of the river.
JD80 said:
What a weird way of putting it.
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True lol
CoasterCowboy67 said:
Lol ok. Then let me take back SWGE as a net new add for DL given it replaced the Big Thunder Ranch. MMRR replaced gift shops, so we won’t count that either

Guess DL didn’t have any net new additions either
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I'll give you that, but at least Disneyland has an excuse, they don't have the "blessing of size" that wdw has. WDW shouldn't be replacing opening day attractions when they have all this land. Sure a few small replacements like the petting zoo or a gift shop in Toon town is ok but the entire ROA? Look, I hope WDI creates some of the greatest attractions ever with this and I hope the landscape rivals and exceeds the current ROA but if it doesn't they'll rightfully never hear the end of it.
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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October82 said:
I was also very skeptical of their intentions, but Disney has made commitments to the city of Anaheim that require them to develop the DisneylandForward areas with attractions.

Whether the new areas will be ticketed separately, how much of it will be new attractions vs other uses, and the timeline of the development are less certain.
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The agreement is a zoning initiative for the next 40 years. We can’t compare that to what is yet announced for WDW in that time period
 
October82

October82

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
The agreement is a zoning initiative for the next 40 years. We can’t compare that to what is yet announced for WDW in that time period
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That was my original understanding as well, but the agreement Disney made in order to get the zoning changes actually requires them to spend $1.9 billion on attractions built west of Disneyland Drive over the next 10 years.
 
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CoasterCowboy67

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October82 said:
That was my original understanding as well, but the agreement Disney made in order to get the zoning changes actually requires them to spend $1.9 billion on attractions built west of Disneyland Drive over the next 10 years.
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10 years is still a long while. We don’t have a 10 year blue sky rendering for WDW to compare DL Forward to


Starship824 said:
I'll give you that, but at least Disneyland has an excuse, they don't have the "blessing of size" that wdw has. WDW shouldn't be replacing opening day attractions when they have all this land. Sure a few small replacements like the petting zoo or a gift shop in Toon town is ok but the entire ROA? Look, I hope WDI creates some of the greatest attractions ever with this and I hope the landscape rivals and exceeds the current ROA but if it doesn't they'll rightfully never hear the end of it.
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I don’t think we can just expect WDW to sprawl when it has backstage facilitates to service the existing ride lineup. You need to adjust all of that. And the cost benefit of doing that vs. replacing an area with little usage isn’t as easy a decision as that
 
Starship824

Starship824

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CoasterCowboy67 said:
I don’t think we can just expect WDW to sprawl when it has backstage facilitates to service the existing ride lineup. You need to adjust all of that. And the cost benefit of doing that vs. replacing an area with little usage isn’t as easy a decision as that
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Yes we can, they've done it for years and they have no excuse except for "we don't want to spend the money". I just hate the direction of where things are going that everything needs to make money and everything that doesn't needs to go. Not everything in the park needs to make money. They make plenty of it regardless.
 

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