Disstevefan1
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I think three re theme to Tiana went over 100 million.
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TrainsOfDisney
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That seems about right - if DAK starts early 2025 and opens 2027 (could be late 2027) that’s about 3 years to build a carousel and dark ride on pretty much clear land. With Indy keeping the structure and track - that should be similar to splash so 1.5 years.
I would think cars will take 3 years after they prep the land which could take 6 months? So if they start mid 2025 or late 2025 - attraction work starts early 2026 - it opens 2029.
That’s my estimate.
Thanks phoenicians
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I think if the end up closing Rivers during Spring of 25 they could get this open by late 2028. The total land area with the rock work seems relatively small compared to Galaxy's Edge so I think they should at least beat that timeline despite it being somewhat complex having to fill in the river. I do think early 2029 is probably the safer bet though. The interesting thing will be whether or not this is done before Monsters.
Disney will have "active development" budgets to pay for office labor cost to make paintings and 3D printed models and hours and hours of endless project meetings. That stuff is small potatoes and all of that is what Josh calls "active development"...honestly the term is not that impressive at all. (Although he want's you to think it is)
When they start cutting GIANT checks to construction companies. THAT is where the money "really" starts to get spent. If Disney is doing well a few quarters in a row, Burbank will keep those construction crews working and pay their contractors, rental and labor hours. (maybe even overtime!) "IF" Disney hits losses or has a bad quarter or two, Burbank can say: "We aren't writing many checks in the next two months..." and construction slows down,...or even temporarily stops!
I used to ride the Monorail at Epcot just to see over the bomb-crater walls. I can't tell you how many dozens of times that...on a WEEKDAY,..I saw literally TWO or THREE workers walking that construction site with NOTHNIG happening. Why?...because the construction companies were NOT sending crews out to work! Disney was NOT paying them to work everyday because they were SAVING that quarter's money as to NOT take an ugly loss for the public books. Tron was the exact same thing too!
Burbank INCHED the project a little bit here,..a little bit there...bit by bit to absorb the cost over 5+ years. But again,...this "go/stop/slow/stop/go/stop/slow" pattern was based on FINANCE's desire in Burbank to "regulate" the speed of costs based on the company finances or each quarter.
What does this mean for the future? It means that if Disney is doing well and ALL divisions are profitable, then YES!,...the construction checks WILL flow and stuff will move fast!!. If Disney hits a bad quarter or is hit with big expenses like a lawsuit ruling or bad subscriber number or even falling stock,...then yes, these D23 announcements COULD EASILY grind to a halt and wait and wait and wait!
Does anybody know how Disney will be doing in Q3 2026? or Q2 2028? Nope!..but anything could happen.
This is what it means to be a "realistic" fan who holds "realistic" expectations. This is why I'm NOT a "Pixie Duster"
When they start cutting GIANT checks to construction companies. THAT is where the money "really" starts to get spent. If Disney is doing well a few quarters in a row, Burbank will keep those construction crews working and pay their contractors, rental and labor hours. (maybe even overtime!) "IF" Disney hits losses or has a bad quarter or two, Burbank can say: "We aren't writing many checks in the next two months..." and construction slows down,...or even temporarily stops!
I used to ride the Monorail at Epcot just to see over the bomb-crater walls. I can't tell you how many dozens of times that...on a WEEKDAY,..I saw literally TWO or THREE workers walking that construction site with NOTHNIG happening. Why?...because the construction companies were NOT sending crews out to work! Disney was NOT paying them to work everyday because they were SAVING that quarter's money as to NOT take an ugly loss for the public books. Tron was the exact same thing too!
Burbank INCHED the project a little bit here,..a little bit there...bit by bit to absorb the cost over 5+ years. But again,...this "go/stop/slow/stop/go/stop/slow" pattern was based on FINANCE's desire in Burbank to "regulate" the speed of costs based on the company finances or each quarter.
What does this mean for the future? It means that if Disney is doing well and ALL divisions are profitable, then YES!,...the construction checks WILL flow and stuff will move fast!!. If Disney hits a bad quarter or is hit with big expenses like a lawsuit ruling or bad subscriber number or even falling stock,...then yes, these D23 announcements COULD EASILY grind to a halt and wait and wait and wait!
Does anybody know how Disney will be doing in Q3 2026? or Q2 2028? Nope!..but anything could happen.
This is what it means to be a "realistic" fan who holds "realistic" expectations. This is why I'm NOT a "Pixie Duster"
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bwr827
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Have a glass of wine or something, maybe soak in a tub.
I’m quoting the wrong post from you but they’re all pretty repetitive today. Re: Epic, you continue to refer to the forced 3-day ticket “bubble”, ignoring that Universal announced weeks ago that they will be offering other ticket options.
Looking forward to these projects opening within the next 5 years!
ednamodedarling
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My guess is ROA shuts down come January.
TrainsOfDisney
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Quietmouse
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I still think this whole epic universe thing is being blown way out of proportion.
I would argue that if universal was opening up a universal kids park next to studios and island of adventure then that would have a bigger impact on Disney than epic.
Epic is still heavily concentrated on thrills, and rides that aren’t roller coasters are still very much focused on height requirements.
If your a parent with young kids, your main focus is two things: is it worth the cost (are the kids interest in the ip), and do they meet the height requirements?
Nintendo land is huge for epic, but again, the problem is that your still putting a limit toward what age can ride the rides by implementing a height requirement.
We have our kids watch disney movies from a young age, normally we start them on the classics and work our way up. Every 3 year old - 4 year old wants to meet Cinderella, Peter Pan, Alice, and then buzz and woody and so on and so forth. That’s not going to change, nor will the desire to go to disney world.
I am honestly super excited for epic, and can’t wait to visit one day. That being said, epic is still a teenage/adult oriented park. This demographic vs the demographic with the suburban mom with 3 kids who are in pre school is much different. Universal is never going to cater to this demographic and Disney will (probably) never cater to the demographic that universal serves (teen /young adult / adult ).
And guess what? That’s okay. They aren’t direct competitors in my eyes. They serve 2 completely core demographics and they are profitable by excelling at what they excel at.
With that said, stop with the epic nonsense. Of course it will have an immediate impact because people are excited to see a new theme park. It’s a rare thing to see in general in this day and age a new theme park rise, so of course there will be a buzz of excitement that might steal Disney world thunder for a short period of time.
But ultimately the point remains the same. Epic is still very much focused on catering to a demographic that is older. Almost half of the attractions being coasters and the other half having height requirements speak for itself.
I would argue that if universal was opening up a universal kids park next to studios and island of adventure then that would have a bigger impact on Disney than epic.
Epic is still heavily concentrated on thrills, and rides that aren’t roller coasters are still very much focused on height requirements.
If your a parent with young kids, your main focus is two things: is it worth the cost (are the kids interest in the ip), and do they meet the height requirements?
Nintendo land is huge for epic, but again, the problem is that your still putting a limit toward what age can ride the rides by implementing a height requirement.
We have our kids watch disney movies from a young age, normally we start them on the classics and work our way up. Every 3 year old - 4 year old wants to meet Cinderella, Peter Pan, Alice, and then buzz and woody and so on and so forth. That’s not going to change, nor will the desire to go to disney world.
I am honestly super excited for epic, and can’t wait to visit one day. That being said, epic is still a teenage/adult oriented park. This demographic vs the demographic with the suburban mom with 3 kids who are in pre school is much different. Universal is never going to cater to this demographic and Disney will (probably) never cater to the demographic that universal serves (teen /young adult / adult ).
And guess what? That’s okay. They aren’t direct competitors in my eyes. They serve 2 completely core demographics and they are profitable by excelling at what they excel at.
With that said, stop with the epic nonsense. Of course it will have an immediate impact because people are excited to see a new theme park. It’s a rare thing to see in general in this day and age a new theme park rise, so of course there will be a buzz of excitement that might steal Disney world thunder for a short period of time.
But ultimately the point remains the same. Epic is still very much focused on catering to a demographic that is older. Almost half of the attractions being coasters and the other half having height requirements speak for itself.
your post was well thought out and written.
EPIC is projected to be a huge disruptor though. For reasons you mentioned.
Even with the height requirement thing being a big current issue for Uni, and a bigger issue in the last ten years than it used to be:
let's reflect on what Disney has built more of in the last six to ten years than ever before?
Thrills and coasters.
Slinky
Guardians tower
incredicoaster
Guardians rewind
Indy retheme
Tron
Monsters Inc Coaster.
Splash to Tiana
Test Track
Cara thrill being the main replacement of ROA
Villians' focus on thrills.
Lion King Flume.
Their majority of new builds and rethemes, as well as announced plans have had a focus on thrills because that is what the audience is braver for than the past.
And it's in direct response because they know EPIC is a disruptor and competition.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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My guess is April 2025 at the latest since I think they’ll need the extra capacity until they presumably reopen an updated HoP, because I think it’s sticking around one more presidential term. Though presumably its facade, along with most of the neighboring Frontierland facades, around the former banks of the river from HM to TBA will get updates by the end of the decade to match a more modern mid-20th century national park vibe - akin to Route 66 meets Grizzly Peak.
But January 2025 is a good guess, too. Particularly if reaction continues to be tilt more against it. And they want to quickly move on from the negative focus.
MrPromey
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Assuming they're that far along with actual engineering/architectural design and planning.
The concept art shown which appeared blue-sky with elements from non-Florida parks did not seem like a reliable indicator they're all that far along and of course, they provided no real details on the Villains Land but we'll see.
Reminder, from announcement to opening, World of Pandora was 7 years and that's obviously because it was a knee-jerk announcement made way too soon in an attempt to steal public attention from a competitor.
No way that would be the same situation this time, right?
V_L_Raptor
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Once he’s CEO, it won’t matter. He can do or ignore whatever he wants. He wouldn’t have to prove a thing to anyone. He would be CEO.
TrainsOfDisney
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I thought it would be obvious that I didn’t seriously expect the ceo of Disney to have to prove anything to me - if only!!! Haha
Sir_Cliff
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I don't quite understand the argument that the land needs to be renamed from Frontierland to something generic and western; isn't that more or less what Frontierland is already? The time period has always been somewhat elastic, as proven by the Country Bears.
At any rate, Frontierland is far more open in terms of what fits thematically than any new land I can think of that Disney has built in the past 20 years. Tropical Americas is a minor miracle as it can encompass attractions based on a large swarth of a hemisphere, but when Disney builds lands these days they are tied to individual films or franchises. If Frontierland is too restrictive, then god help them in a few decades when they end up with parks full of lands themed only to Cars, Toy Story, Avatar, Marvel, etc.
Schmidt
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Nah. I think things are changing. Pay attention. Ya sound like an old crazy rabid dog.
Schmidt
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I’ll say this! Epic will be great. With that said what does Epic offer that they don’t have already? More rollercoaster, potter, and an undwhelimg Mario ride that I can’t believe they are bringing to the states.
Epic to me already has an outdated mall feel to it. Look I’m not naive Epic will be huge. From what I’m seeing and hearing this park feels Very odd. The central hub feels like a generic mall. Im no where ready to announce Uni as the king of anything, especially after these announcements.
I’ll take mountains over large buildings any day!
JD80
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News - Walt Disney World launches new seasonal Water Park Pass
There’s been comments on fan sites and postulation by vloggers who want ad clicks to eliminate the need for getting a job… …not sure that’s a launching point for “legitimacy” As @wdwmagic pointed out, there are plans for expansion that they can start with if they ever chose to go in that...
I wrote that about a year ago. You can add TBA re-do to that list - Jan 2023 to June 2024 and Test Track June 2024 to Summer 2025 if you want to add recent attraction re-imaginings.
New Fantasyland took 4? years.
New poly tower is 1.5 years?
I expect any land to take 2-3 years. Cars Land probably 4 to account for the required canal infrastructure they just permitted for.
Schmidt
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I do agree about the ambiance. It’s the little things like hearing the horns from the river boat. With that said, I think this area will bring another aesthetic to the area. I’m just not sure how this is going to work out.
I would think that the cars ride will be louder than a river boat. It’s definitely going to change the area. Hopefully Disney knocks this out of the park because I do think we all have some level of concern.
about too? cars and villans together is at least 5 years away. Probably longer. And still highly uncertain as to whether this will end up being as big as they say.
Epic is opening next year.
And their point wasnt that mk loses out. It was the other 3 parks and the hotels. Construction walls up in HS, MK and AK aint goint to help the problem either. Wdw is going to be losing lots of money for the next couple of years is my guess.
hopefully they stay brave through this period and not only follow through but ramp up the expansion plans.
Quietmouse
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I would argue that it’s just Disney adding and diversifying their attraction portfolio. Among those coasters you listed they have definitely also added a fair share of non coaster attractions.
That said even cosmic rewind is only a 42 inch height requirement. That’s the average height of a 5 year old. Slinky is 38 inches.
These are coasters that are still family friendly by design and doesn’t necessarily outcast kids from having to sit outside the que because they don’t meet the requirements.