TrainsOfDisney
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What are the build times for the recent attractions?Outside of the two attractions impacted by COVID delays can you name a single attraction that took them 5 years to build?
What are the build times for the recent attractions?Outside of the two attractions impacted by COVID delays can you name a single attraction that took them 5 years to build?
I apologize if my post came off as rude. I understand talking about the logistics of this stuff, but I guess I’m just less focused on that stuff and moreso on the guest experience. I also think having things like the Rivers and Liberty Belle do so much for ambience more than anything, and that isn’t something that can be measured on a spreadsheet, and I’m worried that they’re not considering the atmosphere and magic that will be lost once it’s gone.If ppl are on these boards - they are fans of the parks, and already have a better understanding of how theme parks operate & how expansion can occur. Making fun of people who understand what space is under-utilized, is a silly argument on a theme park forum.
Disney has lost the ability to plan and estimate it's construction and projects costs. Everything they do now goes WAY,...WAY..over budget before it gets slashed HARD before they finally finish.They blew past that a long time ago. Pixar Pier cost more than that.
The space amount is absolutely related. If the expansion pads are utilized for the Cars addition the acreage number for the Frontierland area as well as MK as a whole will be larger. There is simply no getting around that. I am not proposing an either or solution for that. I am proposing to keep ROA and build this attraction.Pretty much every proposal people have suggested here uses more expansion pad space than what Disney is planning by removing the river. Most of them use all the space back there. They are absolutely related.
If people were interested in exploring TSI they had the last 20 years to prove so. They didn’t.
Galaxy's Edge (probably best not Covid impacted analog) was a bit less than 3.5 years from when they closed some of the backlot attractions. Now if people want to argue that the time from announcement to completion has been 5+ years on some non-covid projects I wouldn't argue. From breaking ground to completion though I'd say somewhere around 3 years was the average pre-covid. Toy Story Land took a bit less than 3 years from announcement to completion but that land didn't really have much that was complex to build.What are the build times for the recent attractions?
I think three re theme to Tiana went over 100 million.The cost of a contemporary Disney attraction is around $100 million.
That seems about right - if DAK starts early 2025 and opens 2027 (could be late 2027) that’s about 3 years to build a carousel and dark ride on pretty much clear land. With Indy keeping the structure and track - that should be similar to splash so 1.5 years.Galaxy's Edge (probably best not Covid impacted analog) was a bit less than 3.5 years from when they closed some of the backlot attractions. Now if people want to argue that the time from announcement to completion has been 5+ years on some non-covid projects I wouldn't argue. From breaking ground to completion though I'd say somewhere around 3 years was the average pre-covid. Toy Story Land took a bit less than 3 years from announcement to completion but that land didn't really have much that was complex to build.
I think if the end up closing Rivers during Spring of 25 they could get this open by late 2028. The total land area with the rock work seems relatively small compared to Galaxy's Edge so I think they should at least beat that timeline despite it being somewhat complex having to fill in the river. I do think early 2029 is probably the safer bet though. The interesting thing will be whether or not this is done before Monsters.That seems about right - if DAK starts early 2025 and opens 2027 (could be late 2027) that’s about 3 years to build a carousel and dark ride on pretty much clear land. With Indy keeping the structure and track - that should be similar to splash so 1.5 years.
I would think cars will take 3 years after they prep the land which could take 6 months? So if they start mid 2025 or late 2025 - attraction work starts early 2026 - it opens 2029.
That’s my estimate.
Have a glass of wine or something, maybe soak in a tub.Disney will have "active development" budgets to pay for office labor cost to make paintings and 3D printed models and hours and hours of endless project meetings. That stuff is small potatoes and all of that is what Josh calls "active development"...honestly the term is not that impressive at all. (Although he want's you to think it is)
When they start cutting GIANT checks to construction companies. THAT is where the money "really" starts to get spent. If Disney is doing well a few quarters in a row, Burbank will keep those construction crews working and pay their contractors, rental and labor hours. (maybe even overtime!) "IF" Disney hits losses or has a bad quarter or two, Burbank can say: "We aren't writing many checks in the next two months..." and construction slows down,...or even temporarily stops!
I used to ride the Monorail at Epcot just to see over the bomb-crater walls. I can't tell you how many dozens of times that...on a WEEKDAY,..I saw literally TWO or THREE workers walking that construction site with NOTHNIG happening. Why?...because the construction companies were NOT sending crews out to work! Disney was NOT paying them to work everyday because they were SAVING that quarter's money as to NOT take an ugly loss for the public books. Tron was the exact same thing too!
Burbank INCHED the project a little bit here,..a little bit there...bit by bit to absorb the cost over 5+ years. But again,...this "go/stop/slow/stop/go/stop/slow" pattern was based on FINANCE's desire in Burbank to "regulate" the speed of costs based on the company finances or each quarter.
What does this mean for the future? It means that if Disney is doing well and ALL divisions are profitable, then YES!,...the construction checks WILL flow and stuff will move fast!!. If Disney hits a bad quarter or is hit with big expenses like a lawsuit ruling or bad subscriber number or even falling stock,...then yes, these D23 announcements COULD EASILY grind to a halt and wait and wait and wait!
Does anybody know how Disney will be doing in Q3 2026? or Q2 2028? Nope!..but anything could happen.
This is what it means to be a "realistic" fan who holds "realistic" expectations. This is why I'm NOT a "Pixie Duster"
I’ve heard a later date but we shall see.My guess is ROA shuts down come January.
your post was well thought out and written.I still think this whole epic universe thing is being blown way out of proportion.
I would argue that if universal was opening up a universal kids park next to studios and island of adventure then that would have a bigger impact on Disney than epic.
Epic is still heavily concentrated on thrills, and rides that aren’t roller coasters are still very much focused on height requirements.
My guess is April 2025 at the latest since I think they’ll need the extra capacity until they presumably reopen an updated HoP, because I think it’s sticking around one more presidential term. Though presumably its facade, along with most of the neighboring Frontierland facades, around the former banks of the river from HM to TBA will get updates by the end of the decade to match a more modern mid-20th century national park vibe - akin to Route 66 meets Grizzly Peak.My guess is ROA shuts down come January.
Assuming they're that far along with actual engineering/architectural design and planning.That seems about right - if DAK starts early 2025 and opens 2027 (could be late 2027) that’s about 3 years to build a carousel and dark ride on pretty much clear land. With Indy keeping the structure and track - that should be similar to splash so 1.5 years.
I would think cars will take 3 years after they prep the land which could take 6 months? So if they start mid 2025 or late 2025 - attraction work starts early 2026 - it opens 2029.
That’s my estimate.
Josh is clearly eyeing that CEO spot - he ain’t gonna get that by arguing with Iger.
Josh has the opportunity when he becomes CEO to prove that he cares - 1st day hire back Tony and Joe. Now I’ll be convinced. Haha
I thought it would be obvious that I didn’t seriously expect the ceo of Disney to have to prove anything to me - if only!!! HahaOnce he’s CEO, it won’t matter. He can do or ignore whatever he wants. He wouldn’t have to prove a thing to anyone. He would be CEO.
I don't quite understand the argument that the land needs to be renamed from Frontierland to something generic and western; isn't that more or less what Frontierland is already? The time period has always been somewhat elastic, as proven by the Country Bears.IMO Disney needs to dump the Frontierland name at every park other than Disneyland. Keep the spirit of what Walt planned as intact as possible at Disneyland.
Everywhere else though, dump it. The Asian parks already realized this folly and changed the name, the MK needs to as well. Unlike Adventureland, Tomorrowland, and Fantasyland, Frontierland severely limits the themes of attractions that would holistically fit in the area. The other lands don’t have a time period attached to them like Frontierland does.
The frontier is dead and has been with kids for 50 years. The people it’ brings feelings of nostalgia to are no longer walking this earth, or are having a difficult time walking period. Change it to something generic western and you can keep the old time saloon theming but you can also have more modern takes with Cars or even the Pacific Northwest.
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