Disgruntled Walt
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I too would like to save the RoA, but wouldn't the Riverboat ride only be about 5 minutes if the river were this short?
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Mr. Sullivan
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Sure but the river also has one big thing that made it a viable chop that the railroad doesn't: land.
The railroad isn't sitting on land they wanna develop. If they came in and tore up the entire track around the entire park that would not then create space to build on top of. They would just build around it which, judging by the current plans we're seeing, seems to be the plan.
Mr. Sullivan
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Genuine question out of earnest curiosity.
I'm not at all saying they would (because I don't think they would), but if they were to come out and speak honestly and their honest opinion was that they approved it, then what would the response be? Would the fandom turn on these men that it loves to speak for and use as a defense of their points of view all because they don't echo that point of view?
Again, not saying they would be in agreement with Disney's decision, but more so this a little though experiment about how these three men in particular get used for a lot of conversation fodder by Disney fans who just assume they agree with everything Disney fans agree with.
TrainsOfDisney
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I can’t speak for all fandom but Tony and Joe are brilliant thinkers and I would love to hear them. Tony spoke in favor of the retheme for Maelstrom - I didn’t agree with 100% of what he said but i appreciated it.
TrainsOfDisney
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The route at Disneyland is a little under .4 miles - thats about 13 minutes.
This route that I drew would be a little over .2 miles so yeah about 7 minutes.
MrPromey
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Which would still make it longer than most new attractions on property.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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Does the WDWRR have luxury cars that are tied to guided tours, etc.? I know at Disneyland there is an added morning tour that they charge $$ for one of the private cars.
If so, it’s probably safe. If not maybe that would be one way for the attraction to “demonstrate value” to TDO execs.
In addition to the trains running full, at Disneyland they are actually a useful transportation option for those with moderate mobility issues or kids too old for stroller but too young to walk 10 miles a day. Admittedly, a bit less so lately with the New Orleans stop closed, but in general it makes the parks a bit more manageable for guests while also absorbing capacity with manageable waits.
The stations could each be retail and Genie Plus/upgrade purchase stations!
TrainsOfDisney
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No they do not. The car you are referring to is the Lilly Belle - the only original Retlaw coach owned by Disney. It was rebuilt as an office car and designed by Lillian Disney.
The money for the tours probably helps to justify keeping the car and that’s about it haha.
October82
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The closest parallel I know of is Joe's work on guardians at DCA. And despite leading the project, I don't believe he gave much in the way of a thoughtful defense of it in public.
So it would depend on what motivates their opinions. As far as this goes, my view that Cars/ROA is a poorly conceived project is a consequence of having learned a lot from Joe Rohde's past public writings, so it would be very surprising if he was a 'fan' of the project in his personal capacity.
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JoeCamel
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I thought Joe made it clear he was ordered to make the facade so he did much like F&F was mandated by "management" so UC made it happen
That would even fit better than road lines in Frontierland.
A slice of River Country returns!
Even if some thought it was good use(doubtful)
I don't think 2 of three would find it best use(very doubtful)
And all dlf course are not a monolith of an idea.
Imagineers disagree with each other, in some.cases as passionately or more than people on these boards very frequently.
I think this one would be a stretch for a yone to think it is fantastic that is not under company script.
October82
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I won't link directly to it since this forum has some strict rules about links, but:
Most of his other public comments (that I know of) are about how the team approached delivering a good experience with the mandate they were given.
He has publicly been positive about it that the DCA facade wasnever great for a home woth the way it's version poorly hid the riders motors like to big ears at the top.
A bit if deflection fir company benefit and perhaps a slice of personal experience if positivity.
October82
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His comments were more than the original facade at DCA wasn't especially 'hotel-like' and could be adapted to another theme. The arguably more hotel-like version at TDS is an almost identical building.
The end-result is neither an improvement on the original nor fits especially well in Avengers Campus. I'd be curious to know if there was another version of Avengers Campus where GotG:MB made more sense or if they hadn't got that far before starting the retheme.
EricsBiscuit
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Exactly! They could shorten it and increase park capacity. The boat could go 4-5 times an hour giving a THRC of at least 1600+. Not to mention keeping TSI.
What makes this puzzling is that the front area they’re going to build the Cars area in is not enough space to make a decent attraction. It’s too small. It’s gonna be terrible.
Steamboat71
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Despite what the concept art shows, and what the insiders are saying, I still have hope that they will reconsider filling in the entire river. Cars will sell merchandise for a while, sure, but will Cars still be relevant in 15-20 years? Also, no matter how many rocks, creeks, and waterfalls are planned for the "new" area, the cars with eyeballs zooming past you will destroy the cohesiveness of Liberty Square and Frontierland. The west side of MK was designed to tell a cohesive story from the dawn of America starting in Liberty Square, and then the acquisition of land up to the Mississippi shown by the CBJ and TSI, followed by the Louisiana Purchase shown by Tiana's, and ending with further western expansion shown by BTM. Not to mention all the screaming in a once peaceful area, and the fact that everything was built to look like a waterfront town. With all this being said, if this really goes through as shown, I feel like in the long term, Disney will lose what relevance they have left, and people will stop returning to the parks due to their lack of cohesiveness, originality, nostalgia, and charm. Drew was right, this is the worst mistake they're making, and if you don't care about saving part of what makes the Magic Kingdom so unique and charming, then don't come on here crying when they replace your favorite classic MK attraction for whatever suits the company's latest IP.