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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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Here's an idea- keep a narrower version of the rivers to keep the area feeling open.
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TrainsOfDisney
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Ah yes “you are selfish for wanting Disney to continue doing something you like” - my favorite argument haha.
Stripes
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I’m looking at this project as a perfect opportunity to improve the beauty and refine the story of Frontierland and Liberty Square.
I genuinely think that when all is said and done, Frontierland and Liberty Square will have more beauty, feel more lively, and give a greater sense of tranquility.
I’m especially looking forward to these tucked away paths in Frontierland where one gets a peak through the trees of a grand waterfall and as we get closer, the bustle of Frontierland fades away and we are captivated by the sight and sounds of rushing water cascading down the cliffside. The water flows under the bridge and beneath our feet. We turn around to see where it’s going and it’s a beautiful oasis of crystal clear water surrounded by a lush landscape of trees.
I genuinely think that when all is said and done, Frontierland and Liberty Square will have more beauty, feel more lively, and give a greater sense of tranquility.
I’m especially looking forward to these tucked away paths in Frontierland where one gets a peak through the trees of a grand waterfall and as we get closer, the bustle of Frontierland fades away and we are captivated by the sight and sounds of rushing water cascading down the cliffside. The water flows under the bridge and beneath our feet. We turn around to see where it’s going and it’s a beautiful oasis of crystal clear water surrounded by a lush landscape of trees.
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DisneyHead123
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Nobody uses the giant Mickey planter by the gates or the fountain at Gaston’s tavern. Why not tear all the decor down and just have the place set up like a Six Flags? Concrete and rides.
Starship824
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I'm not as mad as I once was about losing the ROA but I'm still very sad. It's very telling how uncaring wdw management is about the history of the resort. Disneyland went through pain staking efforts to preserve and improve the ROA when adding in Galaxy's edge. Its so sad to see how they didn't even bother and are just throwing it all away. Or in this case filling it all in. I just hope that with all the backlash management will change their mind, (although I don't think they will).
James Alucobond
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Most planters aren't over 3 acres nor is the replacement a featureless concrete surface.
KDM31091
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Tearing out the river for more IP is just destroying the thematic integrity of the park which is a recurring theme, and that’s really what people are mostly upset about IMO. It’s just becoming a random hodgepodge of IP in every park with no unifying theme. There are attempts made to make it tie in but it’s always a major stretch.
This is disappointing because it is reducing what sets Disney apart from other parks.
This is disappointing because it is reducing what sets Disney apart from other parks.
DisneyHead123
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The point of my comment was “by x logic, y would be the result.”
I am all for being responsive to guest satisfaction and usage. But there are situations where it doesn’t really make sense. The riverboat is largely a thematic element at this point. People generally don’t climb all over the decor, it’s just there in the background doing its thing. That doesn’t mean it serves no purpose. If Cars is just breathtaking, people still won’t be climbing on the trees in the background of the ride or specifically commenting on them in surveys (“Dear Disney. There were trees and rocks and stuff in that cars ride! Thank you!!”) but that doesn’t mean it should be on an unthemed slab of concrete.
Marc Davis Fan
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To add another voice reiterating what others have said in various ways here:
Disney theme parks were designed to be a holistic experience, with carefully-designed environments creating different feelings as you move through the space. It’s known as “the architecture of reassurance” (see the classic article “Disneyland is Good for You” and John Hench’s book “Designing Disney”). The “magic” this creates was a major part of what has made Disney parks so successful—and so different from the rest.
Standing on the banks of a wide, picturesque beautiful river with a beautiful riverboat sailing past is—along with Main Street—the quintessential example of this.
People are not necessarily expected to realize this, so it won’t necessarily show up on surveys, but it shows up in their happiness and return visits.
(If the new area is similarly peaceful, picturesque, etc., it might still have at least some of that effect—but I have no idea if we can expect this…)
Disney theme parks were designed to be a holistic experience, with carefully-designed environments creating different feelings as you move through the space. It’s known as “the architecture of reassurance” (see the classic article “Disneyland is Good for You” and John Hench’s book “Designing Disney”). The “magic” this creates was a major part of what has made Disney parks so successful—and so different from the rest.
Standing on the banks of a wide, picturesque beautiful river with a beautiful riverboat sailing past is—along with Main Street—the quintessential example of this.
People are not necessarily expected to realize this, so it won’t necessarily show up on surveys, but it shows up in their happiness and return visits.
(If the new area is similarly peaceful, picturesque, etc., it might still have at least some of that effect—but I have no idea if we can expect this…)
Quietmouse
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Disney world does not have that much history.
There are plenty of users on here that are older than Disney world.
Walt had his every ounce and being dedicated to the creation and planning of Disney land. Unfortunately he could never really see out that vision with Disney world to its fullest extent.
That’s why I somewhat roll my eyes at the purists. Disney land has every right to have purist thoughts attached? Disney world, meh.
TrainsOfDisney
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How much history does it need? She’s at 53 years old.
Quietmouse
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A 53 year old human is still young. If I’m talking a 90 year old they have history ? 53 year old is just 25 plus 25. That isn’t much time.
James Alucobond
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That's not the logic of this expansion, though. The proposed design is full of planted areas, full of water and rockwork, and full of decor, often inefficiently so in order to hide the Cars vehicles from the rest of the land.
Disstevefan1
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OK you say WDW has no history.
There are folks who hate WDW and love DLR, but I digress.
If the company wanted WDW to develop a history the would refrain from changing things.
I personally think Iger does not care about WDW,
TrainsOfDisney
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Disneyland is only 35 plus 35. Haha
Joel
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Is this that new math they're teaching in school these days?
el_super
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Disney does not care about it, because their guests do not care about it.
They have the turnstile numbers, the guest satisfaction numbers, the survey data. They know how people feel about it. They know how much it costs to maintain today, and they know how much a new attraction will be. They know how much people are willing to pay for their experience and what they spend on time in the park. All of their science points to removing the river as the most prudent decision. That's why they are doing it.
I guess we will find out when it's gone...
Of course. You know why? Because that presentation was NOT the place to go over the specific details of every project. This isn't some conspiracy theory that they were trying to hide the information. It just wasn't appropriate to bring it up in the midst of what turned out to be a three hour long event. If they were trying to hide it, they wouldn't have put out the information at all, nevermind the next business day. They owe no information to anyone.
Maybe Disneyland's guests are just different that way?
It is selfish to keep to a line of thinking, without understanding or respecting the interests of other parties. Disney isn't in the business of making guests angry, so clearly this decision is coming from a place of making the park better for the biggest majority of people.
etc98
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Disneyland was only 11 when Disney World was announced, and 16 when Magic Kingdom opened. There’s really not that big a difference in their ages or how much history they have