News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[phillip9698]

More of a general point but it’s sorta fascinating that every attraction announced besides Villians land (possibly) is replacing something else.

-Cars obviously replacing TSI/ROA
-Monsters inc seems as of now to be replacing Muppets area
-Indy/Encanto replacing Dinoland/Dinosaur

A lot of the negative reactions can be traced to that, and it’s absolutely Disney’s fault for choosing that course of action. There are a multitude of either empty buildings or unpopular rides well past their shelf life Disney could’ve put a ride into, or they could’ve expanded the parks and preserved existing capacity. They are doing neither which is why these things are bittersweet to some.

TSI is an unpopular “ride” well past its shelf life though.

 

[TheRealSkull]

This area is smaller than GE and I thought villain's was supposed to be larger? That's about 9 acres and GE is 14.

Yeah, something about this doesn't sit right with me. Take away the Cars area and the supposed remaining land for Villains is about 7 acres. You would think they would need to actually go beyond the berm of the park to have a fully fleshed out land.

 

[Tha Realest]

TSI is an unpopular “ride” well past its shelf life though.

What’s the “shelf life” on trails?

 

[mickEblu]

I still can't quite get over the fact that they are planning to completely redo so a large section of the Magic Kingdom to pay homage to cars. I guess they imagine that the imagination of current and future generations is as activated by the theme of cars as past generations were by adventure, the American frontier, fantasy, and the future.

I just find it so weird that this is what they think the Magic Kingdom is.

For 2 rides and a 4 acre land they could fit anywhere

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

More of a general point but it’s sorta fascinating that every attraction announced besides Villians land (possibly) is replacing something else.

-Cars obviously replacing TSI/ROA
-Monsters inc seems as of now to be replacing Muppets area
-Indy/Encanto replacing Dinoland/Dinosaur

A lot of the negative reactions can be traced to that, and it’s absolutely Disney’s fault for choosing that course of action. There are a multitude of either empty buildings or unpopular rides well past their shelf life Disney could’ve put a ride into, or they could’ve expanded the parks and preserved existing capacity. They are doing neither which is why these things are bittersweet to some.

For whatever reason, they seem to not really care for the "blessing of space". All the parks have plenty of expansion pads/abandoned buildings to demolish and use the space of. Look at the Shooting Gallery- demolished to make way for a DVC Lounge, meanwhile there are several abandoned sponsor lounges in MK and Stitch's is still empty after 6 years. Disney is controlled by businessmen without a single drop of creativity in their bodies that tell WDI to do what they want, and what they want is maximizing spaces for optimal ROI.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

TSI is an unpopular “ride” well past its shelf life though.

As is Dinoland and management probably believes MuppetVision fits that description

 

[TheRealSkull]

I'd be fine with that, but at that point, the grounding visual element of Frontierland and Liberty Square is already gone. You wouldn't even be able to see the rivers from anywhere but Big Thunder. Plus, I'm sure Disney would much rather just use the rest of the river for Villains instead of needing to prepare swampland on the other side of the tracks.

It's better than replacing the river entirely. The only thing I'm trying to think of in terms of this logistically working is if an entrance to Villians from Haunted Mansion is necessary. It might not be if Villains Land is big enough for the second entrance to be placed right around where Fantasyland is.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

TSI is an unpopular “ride” well past its shelf life though.

It's only unpopular because it's a hassle to get over there. There's plenty of ways they could've solved that issue. Additionally, TSI and the RoA are experienced by EVERY guest who visits that area of the park, because they are the grounding visual element. They add immersion and beauty to the area. You can't quantify that in numbers. Replacing them with a thick tree line, snowy rocks, and the muffled sounds of "Kachow" will take away so much from the area.

 

[mickEblu]

Disney - on these boards you have a whole lot of people who usually disagree, agreeing that this is awful. Take note.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It's better than replacing the river entirely. The only thing I'm trying to think of in terms of this logistically working is if an entrance to Villians from Haunted Mansion is necessary. It might not be if Villains Land is big enough for the second entrance to be placed right around where Fantasyland is.

Also, I just noticed in your plan that Villains isn't using any of the back half of the river- so why not put Cars there? I feel like if Cars is taking the front half, then Villains is taking the back half.

 

[orky8]

We can all write a 100 pages on this thread in 30 hours but no one will sign the petition below? Speaks volumes here…

Can you spare a minute to help this campaign?

Preserve and Safeguard the Rivers of America at the Magic Kingdom, Disney World

chng.it

They don't care. They knew how we'd feel, which is why they purposefully released the concept art AFTER D23 ended. It was such a jerky thing to do to the fans and it was very intentional. More than anything else, to me it speaks volumes about how bad Josh is.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Just saw this tweet by @Brer Oswald - Josh D'Amaro liked a comment of someone saying they don't want Cars. Why?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

They don't care. They knew how we'd feel, which is why they purposefully released the concept art AFTER D23 ended. It was such a jerky thing to do to the fans and it was very intentional. More than anything else, to me it speaks volumes about how bad Josh is.

It speaks to them being noncommittal until the very last second. This years D23 was a shell game/musical chairs.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Just saw this tweet by @Brer Oswald - Josh D'Amaro liked a comment of someone saying they don't want Cars. Why?

interesting.

 

[orky8]

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quick google mapping of other thrilling rides:
Big Thunder ~86,000 Sq ft
Mine Train ~85,000 sq ft
Space ~90,000 sq ft
TT ~136,000 sqft
Guardians ~182,000 sqft
Rise ~97,000 sqft
SDD:~130,000 sqft
Dinosaur ~81,000 sqft
Everest: ~145,000 sqft

How about Radiator Springs Racers, at nearly 250,000 sq ft.... Uh oh...

 

[Andrew C]

Just saw this tweet by @Brer Oswald - Josh D'Amaro liked a comment of someone saying they don't want Cars. Why?

by accident?

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It speaks to them being noncommittal until the very last second. This year's D23 was a shell game/musical chairs.

Especially with the two Monsters concept arts being two different areas of HS- a lot of these plans were likely rushed to announcement so they had a "beefy" presentation. They know EU is kicking their butts and they wanted to one-up them, but by withholding the info on what we're losing (and every single WDW announcement minus Villains is confirmed to be taking the place of something- and Villains easily could be doing that too) it just makes them look so weaselly. They know people love the Rivers and Muppets but didn't want to get booed.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

I assume this was really meant to be two distinct thoughts, because it is definitely not Disney's fault that kids don't read books or play outside anymore.

It seems silly to think Disney would maintain a property that was locked into appealing to kids in the 1950s and never change from that.

Yes. I don’t blame Disney for that one

 

[Wall-e]

Incorporating Lightning McQueen into The Wilderness Lodge would be an unfathomable disaster, but that’s basically their idea. That tells they absolutely cannot deliver something on the level of The Wilderness Lodge.

I’m speaking on the incredible theming of the Wilderness Lodge being brought to the park. I think if done correctly that alone would be a huge win for everyone. Maybe I’m seeing the vision of the concept art differently then some people but what I see are depth, forced perspective, scale, theming (separate the current area of LS and HM), and a variety of natural elements. I’m imagining how this land will look from BTM, it seems to be a natural valley in the park.

And to everyone saying the ATV’s will be loud and take away the ambiance, what if they are EV’s? So much is unknown at this point but I’m just delving into what I see and what I see is an area that has the look of being something special. AND it isn’t even the most spectacular thing on the docket (Villians!). It’s like an appetizer.

 

[Snapper Bean]

Rando question.....would it have been possible to drop a Grizzly River Rapids clone right on top of Tom Sawyer Island? Just curious.