Captain Marvel 2: "The Marvels" -- Nov 10, 2023 Theatrical Release

[doctornick]

So basically I don't see the DCU being better than the DCEU, but I guess we'll see.

I think it will likely be much better by default as nothing can be as terrible of an idea as to let Zack Snyder do a grimdark Superman movie where his dad advises him to just let innocent people die. And then use that as the premise of your cinematic universe.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m excited for him to (hopefully) bring more fun to the DC universe, the MCU has always had a nice mix of action and humor and the DCU has always felt so dark in comparison, both in look and tone.

That will probably upset some but I’m looking forward to laughing during a DC movie.

DC has always been seen by core comic fans as darker and grittier, so I don't know how well a more lighthearted jokey DCU is going to been seen by fans.

Which was always the exact opposite when it came to comic books. DC was always more colorful (outside of Batman) and fantasy based while Marvel was more realistic and brooding.

That is a simplistic view of things if you only read old Superman and a few other of the older main character's comics, in reality DC has always been more darker overall compared to Marvel.

DC Vs Marvel: Whose Comics Are Darker?

The DC Universe may sometimes be seen as outdated or campy, but its heroes and their stories are largely just as dark — if not darker than — Marvel's.

www.cbr.com

 

[Disney Irish]

I think it will likely be much better by default as nothing can be as terrible of an idea as to let Zack Snyder do a grimdark Superman movie where his dad advises him to just let innocent people die. And then use that as the premise of your cinematic universe.

It depends on the direction that Gunn take it. Its not a foregone conclusion to me that its just by default going to be better.

 

[erasure fan1]

I think he sold Zaslav on the rumors that he was the core reason why the MCU has been successful, as the real architect behind it and not Feige, which I find laughable and know to be untrue.

That's interesting as I've never heard that. The only real involvement I've heard he had, when it comes to the greater mcu, was when the guardians showed up in other projects like the avengers or Thor.

So basically I don't see the DCU being better than the DCEU, but I guess we'll see.

This we can agree on. It's going to take a couple extremely good films out of the gate to get the public on board. Even then it will be tough just based on how badly the brand has been managed. I know I don't have a lot of trust in DC right now. I like Gunn, so I'm willing to give him a chance, but it will be a fairly short leash.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's interesting as I've never heard that. The only real involvement I've heard he had, when it comes to the greater mcu, was when the guardians showed up in other projects like the avengers or Thor.

Its been fairly overblown at this point, but his whole thing was that he invented the Infinity Stones and thus is the architect of the whole Infinity Saga. And then there was the whole thing where he claims he was the whole architect of the cosmic side of the MCU.

So to say that the man tends to exaggerate his role in the MCU is stating it mildly.

This we can agree on. It's going to take a couple extremely good films out of the gate to get the public on board. Even then it will be tough just based on how badly the brand has been managed. I know I don't have a lot of trust in DC right now. I like Gunn, so I'm willing to give him a chance, but it will be a fairly short leash.

If Superman Legacy doesn't land, he is going to lose everyone right off the bat. But I just don't know if we really need another Superman origin story movie, which is what this sounds like. That story has been told from multiple angles already. I just don't know how you can improve upon it or even tell it from a different perspective that hasn't already been told. Basically I don't have high hopes for it.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Totally valid. I'm sure Disney's rethinking all spending now that the pressure is on to get to profitability. But I also think the subscriber numbers might be seen as validating their strategy to a degree.

We'll see if they can get to profitability. Honestly, I think the writer's strike is going to help them there because there's very little in the pipeline for them to spend on. I expect a lot of repackaging, retelling, and supplemental stuff (like those ambient videos for Haunted Mansion, Hawkeye, Arendelle Castle Yule Log, etc.).

For every film they don’t make, they don’t lose 100 million dollars, so that’s good.

 

[_caleb]

For every film they don’t make, they don’t lose 100 million dollars, so that’s good.

As long as they don’t lose subscribers, that is.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

DC has always been seen by core comic fans as darker and grittier, so I don't know how well a more lighthearted jokey DCU is going to been seen by fans.


That is a simplistic view of things if you only read old Superman and a few other of the older main character's comics, in reality DC has always been more darker overall compared to Marvel.

DC Vs Marvel: Whose Comics Are Darker?

The DC Universe may sometimes be seen as outdated or campy, but its heroes and their stories are largely just as dark — if not darker than — Marvel's.

www.cbr.com

I don't disagree that the modern perception is that DC is dark and Marvel is light and fluffy. But the truth is that both IP's have both tones and have both been interpreted successfully in light and dark ways.

 

[Tha Realest]

Its been fairly overblown at this point, but his whole thing was that he invented the Infinity Stones and thus is the architect of the whole Infinity Saga. And then there was the whole thing where he claims he was the whole architect of the cosmic side of the MCU.

So to say that the man tends to exaggerate his role in the MCU is stating it mildly.



If Superman Legacy doesn't land, he is going to lose everyone right off the bat. But I just don't know if we really need another Superman origin story movie, which is what this sounds like. That story has been told from multiple angles already. I just don't know how you can improve upon it or even tell it from a different perspective that hasn't already been told. Basically I don't have high hopes for it.

I really like the source material he claims to use in shaping his film. Brosnahan is a terrific actress and excited to see what she brings to the role. But I already watched a Superman origin film of sorts he had a hand in - Brightburn. Decent enough film but I don’t know. This just feels like a weird fit.

 

[Disney Irish]

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I don't disagree that the modern perception is that DC is dark and Marvel is light and fluffy. But the truth is that both IP's have both tones and have both been interpreted successfully in light and dark ways.

I agree both have been seen on both sides of the coin, as the article I posted indicates. But DC, especially on the comics side, has been more dark and gritty for a lot longer, and as the article indicates.

Notice how everything you've posted for DC in terms of the bright and campy was from prior to the 1980s. And notice how everything you've posted for Marvel is from the more recent Netflix shows, and not directly from the core MCU.

DC in the 80s decided that anything produced for either the comics or live action (or even cartoons) needed to be more dark. So for over 40 years now DC has been more dark. Heck Nolan leaned into this even further with his Dark Knight trilogy, which is sourced from the Miller comic line of the same name from the 80s. While Marvel went in the other direction with a majority of their characters in the comics that were used for the MCU. The only ones that remained on the "dark and gritty" side at Marvel, were the "street level" characters like Punisher and Daredevil, such as the Netflix shows. And now that those are moving into the MCU, you're starting to see the MCU become darker.

 

[Disney Irish]

I really like the source material he claims to use in shaping his film. Brosnahan is a terrific actress and excited to see what she brings to the role. But I already watched a Superman origin film of sorts he had a hand in - Brightburn. Decent enough film but I don’t know. This just feels like a weird fit.

I agree its a weird fit, its why I'm not sold on this Gunn lead universe. And why I think if he doesn't land Superman Legacy the whole DCU is likely lost for a majority of fans. As fans aren't going to remain on-board for the rest if Superman isn't done right.

 

[erasure fan1]

But I just don't know if we really need another Superman origin story movie, which is what this sounds like. That story has been told from multiple angles already

I thought Gunn said this will be a young superman, not his origin story? Something like he's been doing it for like a year or so. Similar to how the mcu didn't want to do the Peter Parker gets bitten by a spider again. Of course we are talking about DC and they can't seem to not show Bruce Waynes parents bite it every time. Lol

 

[Disney Irish]

I thought Gunn said this will be a young superman, not his origin story? Something like he's been doing it for like a year or so. Similar to how the mcu didn't want to do the Peter Parker gets bitten by a spider again. Of course we are talking about DC and they can't seem to not show Bruce Waynes parents bite it every time. Lol

The way its described in all the reports to me seems like more of an origin story rather than an established Superman who's been doing it for years -

"Superman, a cub reporter in Metropolis, embarks on a journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent."

So this seems like it'll be before he is paired with Lois, clearly before they are romantic. And I'm sure even if its in flashback form they will be at least touching upon his upbringing in Kansas and how he started to get his super powers. As how else are you going to have him struggle to reconcile being Kryptonian raised as a human.

So again seems more like at least an origin story "lite", if not a full blown origin story. And so I can't see much new ground if any is going to be covered here. And if that's the case I can't see much of an audience for it, as it'll be "been there, done that, skip". And if its really what I think it is, it'll end up being harshly compared to the Reeve's/Donner original.

So yeah not holding out hope on this one.

 

[Prince-1]

The way its described in all the reports to me seems like more of an origin story rather than an established Superman who's been doing it for years -

"Superman, a cub reporter in Metropolis, embarks on a journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent."

So this seems like it'll be before he is paired with Lois, clearly before they are romantic. And I'm sure even if its in flashback form they will be at least touching upon his upbringing in Kansas and how he started to get his super powers. As how else are you going to have him struggle to reconcile being Kryptonian raised as a human.

So again seems more like at least an origin story "lite", if not a full blown origin story. And so I can't see much new ground if any is going to be covered here. And if that's the case I can't see much of an audience for it, as it'll be "been there, done that, skip". And if its really what I think it is, it'll end up being harshly compared to the Reeve's/Donner original.

So yeah not holding out hope on this one.

Gunn said it won't be an origin story.

James Gunn Confirms Superman: Legacy Won't Revisit Clark Kent's Origin Story

David Corenswet will already be suited up as the Man of Steel in Superman: Legacy.

movieweb.com

 

[erasure fan1]

The way its described in all the reports to me seems like more of an origin story rather than an established Superman who's been doing it for years -

"Superman, a cub reporter in Metropolis, embarks on a journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent."

So this seems like it'll be before he is paired with Lois, clearly before they are romantic. And I'm sure even if its in flashback form they will be at least touching upon his upbringing in Kansas and how he started to get his super powers. As how else are you going to have him struggle to reconcile being Kryptonian raised as a human.

So again seems more like at least an origin story "lite", if not a full blown origin story. And so I can't see much new ground if any is going to be covered here. And if that's the case I can't see much of an audience for it, as it'll be "been there, done that, skip". And if its really what I think it is, it'll end up being harshly compared to the Reeve's/Donner original.

So yeah not holding out hope on this one.

The best way I can describe how I read it, would be the next logical step for Smallville. He's suited up and on his journey to become the hero we know. But he is still very early in that phase. Gunn has high praise for Smallville so that would make some sense.

 

[spacemt354]

DC has always been seen by core comic fans as darker and grittier, so I don't know how well a more lighthearted jokey DCU is going to been seen by fans.

DC has not always been known for being darker and gritter, if anything they were previously known for the opposite to core fans. That said, both Marvel and DC have a mix of lighthearted and gritty stories, it's just that in film for the past 10-15+ years, both studios have taken polar opposite approaches thanks to success of previous media in a certain tone.

 

[Frankenstein79]

Love the casting choices for Superman. Gunn actually went with people that look like the characters. What a novel idea!

 

[Disstevefan1]

As long as they don’t lose subscribers, that is.

Disney releases a film to the theater that loses 100 Million. How many subscribers do they keep or gain by putting that film on Disney+ ?

I have no idea of the numbers, but I think not many.

I would love to know how many subscriptions D+ gains to see one movie that lost 100 million in the theater six months earlier?

 

[_caleb]

Disney releases a film to the theater that loses 100 Million. How many subscribers do they keep or gain by putting that film on Disney+ ?

I have no idea of the numbers, but I think not many.

I would love to know how many subscriptions D+ gains to see one movie that lost 100 million in the theater six months earlier?

I don’t think we’ll ever know, but I don’t think it’s as simple as 1 movie = x subscribers.

Certain audiences are worth much more to Disney than others, so films that win/keep those are worth more.

 

[Disney Irish]

Gunn said it won't be an origin story.

James Gunn Confirms Superman: Legacy Won't Revisit Clark Kent's Origin Story

David Corenswet will already be suited up as the Man of Steel in Superman: Legacy.

movieweb.com

I know what Gunn has said, but forgive me for not believe the guy who claims to have thought up the idea for the Infinity Stones and therefore the whole Infinity Saga in 90 mins over lunch. The dude exaggerates during interviews. So while the whole film might not be an origin story, ie Jor-El and Lara putting him in a ship as a baby, crash landing on Earth, and his time in Smallville, which is what I think Gunn meant, it has to touch upon his origins in some form whether that be flashback or other references to it. As how can you have Clark go through the "hero's journey" of struggling between his Kryptonian side and human upbringing without it.

And even if you remove any reference to his origin, which I still doubt, you're basically just redoing the Reeve's/Donner 1978 Superman with like the first 15 minutes removed. Again I don't see any new ground being covered here. Its the same story that has already been told numerous times, and in my opinion likely better.