Captain Marvel 2: "The Marvels" -- Nov 10, 2023 Theatrical Release

[BrianLo]

While I don't see what the fuss was about with encanto. You completely know it became popular and has sticking power. It's talked about, it's referenced, I'll use the ever so loved around here, there were a few Mirabelles in my daughters Halloween parade, no Luca or red pandas. It was noticably represented in the parks when I was there this summer. Heck, it's getting its own land/area. I don't really see the same thing with Luca and turning red, Encanto being a musical makes a difference I believe. Again, that's not saying any of its reality, but more of a perception as to why those covid era pixar movies are referenced as "not so popular".

Oh yes I see. Encanto is potentially a mega Frozen or Moana level hit.

I also don’t think Turning Red and Luca are the next Toy Story, but that doesn’t mean they are poorly received. They very much exist in some of Pixar’s noteworthy Ratatouille, Wall E, Up level reception. Not quality per se, which is going to be subjective. But I would not be surprised for one or both to have some parks presence somewhere in the portfolio eventually. Not full lands, though sometimes things like Ratatouille and Tron were allowed to punch above their weight so who knows

 

[networkpro]

Alas, DIS is grasping at straws for something with broad appeal but is missing. It has some niche demographic coverage, but is missing the elements that allow it to transcend to that larger audience. I liken it to pizza. Your going to get immediate acceptance in some areas because it's NYC or Chicago style while immediately ostracizing those that vehemently are for another style. They need Pizza Hut or Domino's to reach the broader audiences that can support the budgets they are making for these films.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't think its really ever going to be known the exact reasons why the movie failed to attract an audience opening weekend. Its probably a lot of factors, some mentioned and likely quite a few not mentioned.

Box office aside, the only question is will it pick up an audience at some point, whether that be theatrical or post-theatrical. From there its up to Disney to decide what to do with these characters.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

As a fan, I really want a lot more of the really fun, but disconnected, cheaper, and more niche content like Werewolf by Night, What If...?, or the GotG Holiday Special.

It should be criminal that Disney didn't see how well received Werewolf by Night was and immediately decide to make a similar low-budget straight-to-Disney+ scary/horror episode based on obscure characters every Halloween.

 

[MrPromey]

Box office aside, the only question is will it pick up an audience at some point, whether that be theatrical or post-theatrical. From there its up to Disney to decide what to do with these characters.

With reports of cutting an additional $2 billion from content for D+ in 2024, reducing their spend even further from what they cut for 2023, I'm sure people will watch it there for "free" when it looks like other new options are going to be slimmer.

In that sense, it'll get an audience. If we're asking how that translates to toy and Halloween costume sales, I don't think their prospects are good.

Hopefully these characters are given another chance in some other project. The ending alludes to something for one character but maybe there's an Avengers level team-up that could still bring in the other two.

From a financial standpoint, they're probably going to be trying to make the best of a bad situation with this one, though. I liked it but I don't think it was good enough for word-of-mouth legs.

I think the people that didn't want to see it or weren't excited to go out and see it are going to probably continue to feel that way. Especially going up against what's opening this weekend and next week, I expect it'll slip further pretty fast.

 

[Tha Realest]

With reports of cutting an additional $2 billion from content for D+ in 2024, reducing their spend even further from what they cut for 2023, I'm sure people will watch it there for "free" when it looks like other new options are going to be slimmer.

In that sense, it'll get an audience. If we're asking how that translates to toy and Halloween costume sales, I don't think their prospects are good.

Hopefully these characters are given another chance in some other project. The ending alludes to something for one character but maybe there's an Avengers level team-up that could still bring in the other two.

From a financial standpoint, they're probably going to be trying to make the best of a bad situation with this one, though.

It’ll pop up in the top two or three of most watched movies the week it’s released, then fade away quickly.

 

[MrPromey]

It’ll pop up in the top two or three of most watched movies the week it’s released, then fade away quickly.

Have you seen it?

I don't think it was the awful mess many expected.

Personally, I'd pick this one to sit through again ahead of plenty of other Marvel movies and depending on what happens going forward, it may become "required viewing" for something else. Just being interconnected, it'll continue to have an audience.

It's going to be hard for anyone to spin this as them not talking a loss with it and I don't think it'll be some sort of sleeper hit but this talk like it's already being blown away to the sands of time seems a little melodramatic to me.

 

[Disney Irish]

With reports of cutting an additional $2 billion from content for D+ in 2024, reducing their spend even further from what they cut for 2023, I'm sure people will watch it there for "free" when it looks like other new options are going to be slimmer.

In that sense, it'll get an audience. If we're asking how that translates to toy and Halloween costume sales, I don't think their prospects are good.

Hopefully these characters are given another chance in some other project. The ending alludes to something for one character but maybe there's an Avengers level team-up that could still bring in the other two.

From a financial standpoint, they're probably going to be trying to make the best of a bad situation with this one, though. I liked it but I don't think it was good enough for word-of-mouth legs.

I think the people that didn't want to see it or weren't excited to go out and see it are going to probably continue to feel that way. Especially going up against what's opening this weekend and next week, I expect it'll slip further pretty fast.

I think it'll find some audience post-theatrical on both digital and D+. How that translates to further revenue for TWDC down the line, that is anyone's guess and is hidden in the financials we aren't privy to.

I'm not sure how many will watch the Hunger Games prequel, as the saying goes "it wasn't a movie people were asking for", so it'll be interesting to see how it performs.

 

[Tha Realest]

They had been planning to build towards Kang as the Thanos of this and the next phase of films.


Given how the last few films have been received, the reconfigured productions on what’s been filmed already, I suspect it’ll leak in a few weeks that the MCU is course correcting (likely in Variety or something during a lull between Thanksgiving and Christmas).

 

[Tha Realest]

Have you seen it?

I don't think it was the awful mess many expected.

Personally, I'd pick this one to sit through again ahead of plenty of other Marvel movies and depending on what happens going forward, it may become "required viewing" for something else. Just being interconnected, it'll continue to have an audience.

It's going to be hard for anyone to spin this as them not talking a hit with it and I don't think it'll be some sort of sleeper hit but this talk like it's already being blown away to the sands of time seems a little melodramatic to me.

Not yet. But that’s been the pattern for some time on D+. The only films that have any semblance of staying power are the animated films.

 

[Disney Irish]

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This has been expected for awhile now, so they pivot to Dr Doom and accelerate Mutants for Secret Wars.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

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I think this is a mistake. They should have had an entire phase of films (Phase 5?) where the villain of every film was a different variant of Kang, with the culmination being the Kang Dynasty film where a multiversal-Avengers had to fight the combined Kangs. The problem wasn't the Kangs (aside from the actor's legal issues); the problem is nobody cares about the current group of Marvel heroes other than Peter Parker and Bruce Banner. Hell, the third or fourth most popular MCU hero, right now, might be Wong (which is an indictment on the current state of the MCU).

 

[Tha Realest]

Majors is an exceptionally talented actor and has a mesmerizing screen presence. He also apparently has some very troubling anger issues and if you believe that Variety article, some of that behavior happened during a Disney production. They seemingly have to cut ties with him.

I do think the multiversal aspect of Kang makes him an easy substitution from an actor perspective, but really, what are we salvaging at this point?

 

[Disney Irish]

I think this is a mistake. They should have had an entire phase of films (Phase 5?) where the villain of every film was a different variant of Kang, with the culmination being the Kang Dynasty film where a multiversal-Avengers had to fight the combined Kangs.

That would have been interesting, I think they were sort of going there with the introduction of the Council of Kangs. But it appears they just want to cut ties with Majors and pivot away from Kang.

 

[erasure fan1]

Hell, the third or fourth most popular MCU hero, right now, might be Wong (which is an indictment on the current state of the MCU).

Easy now, I love Wong!

I think this is a mistake. They should have had an entire phase of films (Phase 5?) where the villain of every film was a different variant of Kang, with the culmination being the Kang Dynasty film where a multiversal-Avengers had to fight the combined Kangs.

Kang should have been an underlying presence, similar to the infinity stones, since the start of phase 4. Unfortunately that's not the way it happened. I guess the silver lining is that they can now easily pivot away from him since he really only factored into Loki and antman. And while I liked Loki, it was a D+ show so the majority of the general MCU audience probably didn't see it.

So realistically they should be able to change direction and most wouldn't really care. What then needs to happen, is a complete road map with a continuous throughput. Of course I don't see Disney allowing a large enough pause in the MCU to really pull it off.

 

[MisterPenguin]

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Yes, Loveness was removed from writing Kang Dynasty.

Marvel Moving Away From Kang, Quantumania Writer Off Avengers 5: Report

The Kang Dynasty may be over at Marvel Studios. According to Vanity Fair reporter and MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios co-author Joanna Robinson on the House of R podcast, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania screenwriter Jeff Loveness is no longer working for Marvel or attached to pen the fifth...

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The Kang Dynasty may be over at Marvel Studios. According to Vanity Fair reporter and MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios co-author Joanna Robinson on the House of R podcast, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania screenwriter Jeff Loveness is no longer working for Marvel or attached to pen the fifth Avengers movie, titled Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. Robinson reported that Loveness is off the project because Marvel is likely "moving away" from the Kang storyline that threaded both seasons of Disney+ series Loki, the Ant-Man threequel, and future installments of the Multiverse Saga, including Kang Dynasty and the phase-ending Avengers: Secret Wars.​

So, someone who writes about the MCU and podcasts about it, GUESSES a reason why Loveness is off the project.

Yes, Joanna is *reporting* something she thinks is *likely*.

Sure, it could be the case. But then, why haven't we heard of the director of Kang Dynasty being removed from it?

 

[TalkingHead]

At this point it would’ve been more shocking if they had kept Majors. Simply can’t given this company and the social media fanbase.

 

[TP2000]

Apparently the November grey skies and a long, cold, wet winter ahead are affecting the newsrooms in London...

The Marvels flopping is just the start – here’s what the MCU’s death will look like

The seemingly unflappable superhero franchise has been on the ropes this year, with ‘The Marvels’ setting a new low at the box office. A demise feels inevitable, writes Louis Chilton, but Disney’s golden goose has some cards up its sleeve yet

www.independent.co.uk

 

[HauntedPirate]

To be honest, Quantumania was not good. It took Ant Man completely out of his wheelhouse, put him into a situation his character is not suited for, and the results were predictable.

But none of this has anything to do with the thread topic.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

To be honest, Quantumania was not good. It took Ant Man completely out of his wheelhouse, put him into a situation his character is not suited for, and the results were predictable.

But none of this has anything to do with the thread topic.

The problem with Quantumania was that it wasn't really an Ant Man film. The Ant Man films are fun because you have a "real world" average guy who uses the ability to shrink (and sometimes grow really big) to investigate and surprise the villains.

On the other hand, Quantumania didn't take place in the "real world" and really had very little to do with the power set of being able to shrink and grow large. Instead, it was a take on Flash Gordon - a handful of earthlings are transported to a completely different world and gets caught up in a sci-fi revolution. It simply wasn't an Ant Man movie; it just had characters from previous Ant Man films that everyone knows.

To be fair, the exact same thing is true of Thor Ragnarok and everyone seemed to love that film. So I understand what Marvel was thinking and trying to do ... but it just didn't resonate the same way Ragnarok did. And really, Ragnarok appears to have only worked as a one-off because when they used the same tone in Love and Thunder, the public rejected it.