Captain Jack/Blackbeard's Daughter meet n greet

[lebeau]

lebeau's "short" review of all three pirate movies so far:

The first movie was too long and didn't make a lot of sense. But it had a lot of energy, a good looking cast, and terrific action scenes. It tended to get mired down in a plot that was mostly nonsense. But Johnny Depp's performance as Captain Jack Sparroe kept things fun and light-hearted even when the movie was in danger of collapsing under the weight of its own excess.

The sequels got progressively bigger, longer and more non-sensical. I challenge anyone to figure out why any of the characters do any of the things they do in At World's End. But as ridiculous and self-important as the sequels can be, that sense of fun is still there. If you're watching the sequels for the story, you're going to be very frustrated. But if you turn your mind off (all the way off) there is still fun to be had.

Of course, the first one is far and away the best and the most fun. So there's not a lot of reason to bother with the sequels unless you loved the first one and just have to have more. Even then, results will vary.

For myself, I am looking forward to Pirates 4 and hoping they learned their lesson from the sequels. I'm hoping for a tighter, leaner script with a coherent story while retaining the fun and the action set pieces the franchise is known for.

Too much to hope for? Probably. But I'm hopeful nonetheless.

 

[CheshireCatStef]

Oh No! You totally ruined it for me! You spoiled my whole enjoyment of this movie!

..... Really? Really?! C'mon guy.

Also.... Although the 3rd one was very long, It was still enjoyable. The 1st and 2nd ones were great. If you can't enjoy the great action scenes, good monologue and great storylines, then shame on you. It's a huge blockbuster in the box office and for a good reason. I don't get how anyone stops watching them after the 2nd one.

I'm sorry, there was a plot to the three of em?
I was all caught up in the hot pirate Captain... now I'll have to rewatch them all....

 

[CheshireCatStef]

lebeau's "short" review of all three pirate movies so far:

The first movie was too long and didn't make a lot of sense. But it had a lot of energy, a good looking cast, and terrific action scenes. It tended to get mired down in a plot that was mostly nonsense. But Johnny Depp's performance as Captain Jack Sparroe kept things fun and light-hearted even when the movie was in danger of collapsing under the weight of its own excess.

The sequels got progressively bigger, longer and more non-sensical. I challenge anyone to figure out why any of the characters do any of the things they do in At World's End. But as ridiculous and self-important as the sequels can be, that sense of fun is still there. If you're watching the sequels for the story, you're going to be very frustrated. But if you turn your mind off (all the way off) there is still fun to be had.

Of course, the first one is far and away the best and the most fun. So there's not a lot of reason to bother with the sequels unless you loved the first one and just have to have more. Even then, results will vary.

For myself, I am looking forward to Pirates 4 and hoping they learned their lesson from the sequels. I'm hoping for a tighter, leaner script with a coherent story while retaining the fun and the action set pieces the franchise is known for.

Too much to hope for? Probably. But I'm hopeful nonetheless.

Seriously, I believe I read on IMDB that indeed they realized their story lines got so convoluted in the 2 sequels that a concerted effort was made in this fourth one to be true to the storyline simplicity of the first...

 

[lebeau]

Seriously, I believe I read on IMDB that indeed they realized their story lines got so convoluted in the 2 sequels that a concerted effort was made in this fourth one to be true to the storyline simplicity of the first...

I have seen reports that said they were scaling back for a mixture of budgetary and stories reasons. This is one of those rare instances where the bottom line and good story-telling may very well go hand in hand.

 

[Phonedave]

The sequels got progressively bigger, longer and more non-sensical. I challenge anyone to figure out why any of the characters do any of the things they do in At World's End. .

There is a plot (and motive) in all 3 movies. But it is far from clear.

You have to watch them a number of times to figure out motive and the double-triple-quadrupile crosses. It does make for a difficult film to follow, especialy if you are seeing it in a theater where you cannot pause it and ask "why is he or she doing that?"

-dave

 

[lebeau]

There is a plot (and motive) in all 3 movies. But it is far from clear.

You have to watch them a number of times to figure out motive and the double-triple-quadrupile crosses. It does make for a difficult film to follow, especialy if you are seeing it in a theater where you cannot pause it and ask "why is he or she doing that?"

-dave

Yeah, you can rationalize the double/triple/quadruple crosses and what-have-you. But eventually you need a score card to keep track of it all. And since you know that Elizabeth and Will are heroes, their double crosses are largely meaningless anyway. And Jack may be a scoundrel, but he's a scoundrel with a heart of gold. On the flip side, no one could ever trust Barbosa, so you just expect him to flip. For all the effort, the double crosses just weren't worth it.

In almost every instance, the character doing the double crossing would have been better served by having an honest conversation with another character. I can accept that Will or Elizabeth might let pride get in the way of some things. But AWE really pushed the limits of believability.

In the final assessment, that was all moot. The key to enjoying that film is just to go with the flow and accept every thing at surface value. That and you have to interpret the final scene after the closing credits in the most optimistic way possible in order to get the happy ending everyone wanted for those characters.

(Really, I can't believe anyone thought that ending would be satisfactory. But the least they could have done is explain it better. And maybe pay it off before the closing credits!)

 

[RSoxNo1]

Wait a minute... Penelope Cruz is Keyser Soze?

 

[Phonedave]

Yeah, you can rationalize the double/triple/quadruple crosses and what-have-you. But eventually you need a score card to keep track of it all. And since you know that Elizabeth and Will are heroes, their double crosses are largely meaningless anyway. And Jack may be a scoundrel, but he's a scoundrel with a heart of gold. On the flip side, no one could ever trust Barbosa, so you just expect him to flip. For all the effort, the double crosses just weren't worth it.

In almost every instance, the character doing the double crossing would have been better served by having an honest conversation with another character. I can accept that Will or Elizabeth might let pride get in the way of some things. But AWE really pushed the limits of believability.

In the final assessment, that was all moot. The key to enjoying that film is just to go with the flow and accept every thing at surface value. That and you have to interpret the final scene after the closing credits in the most optimistic way possible in order to get the happy ending everyone wanted for those characters.

(Really, I can't believe anyone thought that ending would be satisfactory. But the least they could have done is explain it better. And maybe pay it off before the closing credits!)

That reminds me of the Family Guy adaptaion of Star Wars. When Han, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2D2 are in the Falcon and Leia says something like "fly into an asteroid field, we could all get killed" and Han (Peter) says "we have 5 of the major characters on board, I think we will be OK"

-dave

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Sorry to have offended with my lack of continued interest in the pirate movies. I'll be honest, I'm a bit on the idealistic side with my need for happily-ever-afters. I found the 2nd movie extremely drawn-out without the happy ending I sat thru the entire movie hoping for. I also dislike plots where there's half a dozen ends left untied where it's so totally obvious they're trying to lure you back to spend another $50 to bring the family to yet another of their long, drawn-out movies. I don't enjoy that. At all. If you do, that's cool. I'm glad for you. Believe me, I wish I did, too. I have very little time for movies as it is (didn't even get to see Tangled). When I do take the time & spend the money to go see something I'd really like to have good chances of walking away from the theater feeling good rather than frustrated.

Back to the point of the thread, cool that they're going to do meet & greets with characters from the upcoming movie. Still not seeing that there were any spoilers. The OP gave no info on the movie or the plot.

:shrug:



Ps. I don't enjoy anything superhero related (ie. Batman, Ironman, etc.) either. Suspense aggravates me so I don't watch thrillers or horrors. Action movies tend to wear me out so they aren't high on my list of faves. Told ya, movies aren't my thing so much anymore. If I invest the time to watch one I want to walk away feeling good or having learned some insightful message. I guess if that makes me the biggest oddball ever, well, par for the course. I'm good with that.

You must've REALLY hated Empire Strikes Back. :lol:

 

[lebeau]

That reminds me of the Family Guy adaptaion of Star Wars. When Han, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2D2 are in the Falcon and Leia says something like "fly into an asteroid field, we could all get killed" and Han (Peter) says "we have 5 of the major characters on board, I think we will be OK"

-dave

lol

 

[Glasgow]

Wait a minute... Penelope Cruz is Keyser Soze?

haha .. now THAT is a spoiler!

 

[sweetpee_1993]

You must've REALLY hated Empire Strikes Back. :lol:

I saw the original 3 movies as a kid several times. Never was as into them as my brother & cousins. I think I saw maybe the last of the pre-quels only because I have boys and they get into that stuff. But the official answer would be.....*gasp*.....no, I didn't get much out of any of the Star Wars films although I do see their appeal, give mad props to the creativity of the story, and the numerous technological advances in effects they brought to the table at the time they were made. :wave:

 

[sweetpee_1993]

Oh No! You totally ruined it for me! You spoiled my whole enjoyment of this movie!

..... Really? Really?! C'mon guy.

Also.... Although the 3rd one was very long, It was still enjoyable. The 1st and 2nd ones were great. If you can't enjoy the great action scenes, good monologue and great storylines, then shame on you. It's a huge blockbuster in the box office and for a good reason. I don't get how anyone stops watching them after the 2nd one.

The 1st movie was fun seeing all the bits from the attraction in movie form. The 2nd movie with all the double-triple-quadruple crosses paired with a crumby ending just sorta lost my interest. It happens. Not all people are entertained by the same things. Not at all ashamed, tho. Blockbuster or not, it's not for me. There's plenty of great movies that were box office flops that I thoroughly enjoyed. I form my own opinions. How to stop watching after the 2nd pirate movie? You just don't take the time to sit down to watch the 3rd. It's that simple. :lol:

 

[CheshireCatStef]

How to stop watching after the 2nd pirate movie? You just don't take the time to sit down to watch the 3rd. It's that simple. :lol:

But, but, but... it's over two hours of Cap'n Jack... seriously... c'mon! :brick:

 

[lebeau]

The 1st movie was fun seeing all the bits from the attraction in movie form. The 2nd movie with all the double-triple-quadruple crosses paired with a crumby ending just sorta lost my interest.

Ha!

The second movie was just a warm-up for the double-cross-a-palooza that was At World's End. Once they get back from the afterlife (or whatever that was) I don't think there's more than a 5 minute stretch without someone betraying someone else. But usually it's for their own good and/or they don't really mean it.

As for crummy endings, they don't come any crummier than Pirates 3. I still have to explain to people why the ending is sort-of a happy ending for Will and Elizabeth. One line of dialogue could have done the trick. But the movie was too busy with multiple Jack Sparrows and double crosses to fully explain it's own back story in a way that would have made the ending satisfying on any level.

For all that, I enjoyed the movie for the big, dumb spectacle it was. It just doesn't hold up as good story-telling.

 

[drew81]

Here's an update on Angelica-

I've heard this meet n greet is now 50/50. It might happen or it might not.

 

[Malvito]

Here's an update on Angelica-

I've heard this meet n greet is now 50/50. It might happen or it might not.

:ROFLOL:

I'm sorry, I had to laugh ... that sounded like an average weather report in Kansas City. (And, as I'm sure will be pointed out, many other municipalities ... )

 

[Malvito]

Ha!

The second movie was just a warm-up for the double-cross-a-palooza that was At World's End. Once they get back from the afterlife (or whatever that was) I don't think there's more than a 5 minute stretch without someone betraying someone else. But usually it's for their own good and/or they don't really mean it.

As for crummy endings, they don't come any crummier than Pirates 3. I still have to explain to people why the ending is sort-of a happy ending for Will and Elizabeth. One line of dialogue could have done the trick. But the movie was too busy with multiple Jack Sparrows and double crosses to fully explain it's own back story in a way that would have made the ending satisfying on any level.

For all that, I enjoyed the movie for the big, dumb spectacle it was. It just doesn't hold up as good story-telling.

Am very much in agreement with this post.

I really loved #1. The plot was somewhat convoluted, but it was all in good fun. #1 made me want to take to the sea in a Mighty Vessel Of The Sea. (This despite knowing that, like watching Survivor, the reality is much different from the vicarious pleasure of watching it from the comfort of the movie theater/living room.)

#2, by comparison, was almost thoroughly depressing, and the double-crossings just left me hating everyone onscreen. (Though it did contain a favorite moment, that being Davy Jones's response to Jack Sparrow's attempt to snow him, in his usual Jack Sparrow manner: "Then you were a poor captain. But you were still the captain.")

I appreciate some darkening and the deepening of characters (Empire Strikes Back is my favorite of the Star Wars Holy Trinity), but the fun of the first movie was drained and squeegeed away.

#3 contained a plot element that would be very prevalent that year, the plot point of I'm Keeping My Problems A Secret From My Significant Other Because They Should Not Have To Bear The Burden Of My Byronic Suffering. By the time Will proposed to Elizabeth, I wondered why he thought she would accept. And then I wondered why she accepted.

And, I was really unhappy witht he fate of the Evil Businessman. I thought his fate could/should have been a lot worse.

Looking forward to #4; it will, I hope, like going back to see old friends. I just hope that it's the old friends from #1, as opposed to what they were turned in to in #s 2 and 3.

 

[PirateFrank]

I find it very difficult to take any review of the pirates movies seriously where Sparrow is misspelled.

I personally find the pirates trilogy to be among the best constructed unintentional (and most of them are) trilogies everfilmed....the ending to AWE was fine....and anyone or moaning about Turner and Swan clearly didn't sit through the credits to the end.

Let's try to keep this thread on track here...

 

[Malvito]

I personally find the pirates trilogy to be among the best constructed unintentional (and most of them are) trilogies everfilmed....the ending to AWE was fine....and anyone or moaning about Turner and Swan clearly didn't sit through the credits to the end...

Or they/we (to whomever you refer) did and still didn't care for the results; that will ever be a Different Strokes situation. The Final Resolution is apparently up in the air, enough so that, based on the various audio commentaries and interviews, the creators don't all agree as to the Final disposition of the characters. That's cool; it fuels these discussions.

I find it very difficult to take any review of the pirates movies seriously where Sparrow is misspelled.

To be fair, the spelling is abominable on a lot of these posts. Either the writers are in a hurry or the Spellcheck offered by this forum is not available or requires a download. Or all of the above.

Let's try to keep this thread on track here...

Which was, if I recall, the question of whether or not having the Penelope Cruz character at a meet'n'greet (but without the 'n'grope ... it is Disney World ... ) would constitute a spoiler, since the movie has not yet been released. Which IMHO, is a moot point since the publicity for Ms. Cruz's role in #4 has been out there for quite a while; I would be pretty surprised if a patron attending the meet'n'greet was not already privy to the identity of the character represented.

And ultimately, if the young lady portraying the character at the meet'n'greets looks anything as great as Penelope Cruz, a good portion of the adolescent and post-adolescent attendees won't care if they know who her character is.