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[LittleBuford]

He also said “we can’t change the fact that he was created in America.”

Why would anyone want to change that fact? What’s wrong with America?

I understood him to be saying that the character is only Captain America because of the particular time and context in which he came into being, not because there is anything specifically American about him (I know nothing about Marvel lore, so I could be garbling this totally). I don't think he was suggesting that anyone actually wants to rebrand the character or sees anything wrong with his being American. (Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.)

 

[donaldtoo]

I guess my sarcasm didn’t quite come across clearly enough.
My apologies.

 

[LittleBuford]

I guess my sarcasm didn’t quite come across clearly.

I think we understood that you were being sarcastic, but we took your post to be an implicit criticism of Mackie. I apologise if this wasn't the case.

 

[donaldtoo]

I think we understood that you were being sarcastic, but we took your post to be an implicit criticism of Mackie. I apologise if this wasn't the case.

No, just a general criticism of the way things exist these days.

 

[LittleBuford]

No, just a general criticism of the way things exist these days.

What do you mean? What things?

 

[Chi84]

I understood him to be saying that the character is only Captain America because of the particular time and context in which he came into being, not because there is anything specifically American about him (I know nothing about Marvel lore, so I could be garbling this totally). I don't think he was suggesting that anyone actually wants to rebrand the character or sees anything wrong with his being American. (Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.)

I was being sarcastic. Apparently not succeeding.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was being sarcastic. Apparently not succeeding.

No, I'm just slow on the uptake.

 

[donaldtoo]

What do you mean? What things?

Simple. I will NEVER apologize for, or feel guilty for, being American. Seems too many others do/are.
Take that as you will. I’m out.

 

[LittleBuford]

Simple. I will NEVER apologize for, or feel guilty for, being American. Seems too many others do/are.
Take that as you will. I’m out.

So you were implicitly criticising Mackie.

For what it's worth, I (as a non-American) did not take what he said to be an expression of apology or guilt for being American. I really think people need to take a step back and think through his actual words and intent before jumping to such conclusions. We're far too ready to assume the worst of each other these days, and it isn't productive.

 

[Alice a]

He also said “we can’t change the fact that he was created in America.”

Why would anyone want to change that fact? What’s wrong with America?

The last sentence is begging for comments that would shut this thread down.

I find no offense in Mackie’s statement, am tired of this kind of thing bogging down every film thread lately, and some people apparently live charmed lives, since they have so much time and effort available to become so outraged at things actors say.

When I was a pre-teen, sure, I cared what Jonathan Taylor Thomas told Tiger Beat.

As an adult, I have too much going on in my life to care what an actor says. If it’s weird enough, I may remember them as “that guy” moving forward, but it won’t stop me from actively enjoying their media.

Any updates on the movie? We’re getting pretty close to the release date.

 

[Casper Gutman]

So you were implicitly criticising Mackie.

For what it's worth, I (as a non-American) did not take what he said to be an expression of apology or guilt for being American. I really think people need to take a step back and think through his actual words and intent before jumping to such conclusions. We're far too ready to assume the worst of each other these days, and it isn't productive.

The problem - the VERY BIG problem - is that it is VERY productive for some very, very powerful people. That’s why the words of people like Zegler and Mackey, often ripped out of context and framed in as inflammatory a way as possible, get blasted through a sophisticated network of media outlets catering to an enormous audience. It’s intimately tied to the explicitly illegal pressure campaign that we are now seeing force studios and news outlets to censor themselves in a way that should outrage and terrify everyone who respects American ideals.

There’s a desire not to see what’s happening, not to examine why some comments get amplified through the network or why the network exists in the first place, to make ourselves feel like this is all normal with vague mentions of human nature. Ultimately, however, this is happening because certain individuals and groups want it to, they want to chill speech as part of a larger project, and something that seems silly and inconsequential is actually a manifestation of something tremendously significant.

 

[Chi84]

The last sentence is begging for comments that would shut this thread down.

I find no offense in Mackie’s statement, am tired of this kind of thing bogging down every film thread lately, and some people apparently live charmed lives, since they have so much time and effort available to become so outraged at things actors say.

When I was a pre-teen, sure, I cared what Jonathan Taylor Thomas told Tiger Beat.

As an adult, I have too much going on in my life to care what an actor says. If it’s weird enough, I may remember them as “that guy” moving forward, but it won’t stop me from actively enjoying their media.

Any updates on the movie? We’re getting pretty close to the release date.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic; it’s clear based on my previous posts but I forgot people sometimes join a thread without reading everything that came before.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

I'm waiting for reviews on this one to decide if I want to see it in theaters or wait for streaming

 

[MagicMouseFan]

With 3 reshoots, there is no way it cost only 180 million dollars to make. Unfortunately Captain Falcon didn't film in the U.K. though. So we probably will never get the actual numbers for it. Disney will probably hide it away forever in a vault. It's got to be more than The Marvels budget though. Because it cost 374 million, but was fortunate to get the U.K. tax break.

Won't know for some time. Two figures are out there.
1. $180 million from Hollywood Reporter. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...merica-brave-new-world-box-office-1236115658/

2. $350-375 million from IMBD (picked up from World of Reel) https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64673225/

 

[MagicMouseFan]

I'm thinking it has to be higher than 350 million. It looks like they put a lot money into it.

Honestly I have no idea

 

[DKampy]

It goes both ways.

It's a message board, So I'm allowed to give my opinion and say when something looks awful.

Not saying you don’t…. That is the great thing about opinions…. However I would never tell someone not to see a film even If I thought it look horrible… as I am happy if someone gets enjoyment in something I don’t…. Nothing is for everyone

 

[Agent H]

I understood him to be saying that the character is only Captain America because of the particular time and context in which he came into being, not because there is anything specifically American about him (I know nothing about Marvel lore, so I could be garbling this totally). I don't think he was suggesting that anyone actually wants to rebrand the character or sees anything wrong with his being American. (Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.)

Yes this is correct Steve Rogers could have become captain Asia and would still stand for the same values

 

[MagicMouseFan]

I understood him to be saying that the character is only Captain America because of the particular time and context in which he came into being, not because there is anything specifically American about him (I know nothing about Marvel lore, so I could be garbling this totally). I don't think he was suggesting that anyone actually wants to rebrand the character or sees anything wrong with his being American. (Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.)

For the comic book character of Captain America:
(Copying and pasting from internet)

“Captain America Comics was created during World War II as a patriotic superhero to inspire American support for the war effort. The character first appeared in Captain America Comics #1, published by Timely Comics (now Marvel Comics) in December 1940, before the U.S. officially entered the war. Created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, Captain America was depicted fighting Nazis, with the first issue famously showing him punching Adolf Hitler. The comic was designed as a form of wartime propaganda, rallying support against fascism and boosting morale.”


During the Vietnam war era of the comic book:

“During the Vietnam War era, Captain America underwent a significant transformation, reflecting the political and social turmoil of the time. While he was originally created as a symbol of American patriotism during World War II, the 1960s and early 1970s saw his character evolve in response to growing public disillusionment with the U.S. government and military actions, including the Vietnam War.”

During Cold War the comic book shifted:

“During the Cold War, Captain America evolved into a symbol of American values in contrast to Soviet communism, but his stories also reflected the moral complexities of the era. His character was used to explore Cold War tensions, government corruption, and the ideological battle between democracy and communism”

 

[Disney Irish]

With 3 reshoots, there is no way it cost only 180 million dollars to make. Unfortunately Captain Falcon didn't film in the U.K. though. So we probably will never get the actual numbers for it. Disney will probably hide it away forever in a vault. It's got to be more than The Marvels budget though. Because it cost 374 million, but was fortunate to get the U.K. tax break.

Do you have any information from a reputable source (IMDB since it pulls from a non-reputable sources shouldn't be used here) that states it didn't cost $180M or you just making assumptions?

Because we do have a reputable source that does state it cost $180M, so unless another reputable source come out to counter that that is the figure that should be used. If you don't want to believe it that is fine, you have every right to not believe it, but for our purposes of budget discussions we use the reported budgets.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Do you have any information from a reputable source (IMDB since it pulls from a non-reputable sources shouldn't be used here) that states it didn't cost $180M or you just making assumptions?

Because we do have a reputable source that does state it cost $180M, so unless another reputable source come out to counter that that is the figure that should be used. If you don't want to believe it that is fine, you have every right to not believe it, but for our purposes of budget discussions we use the reported budgets.

Of course they don't.

It's hilarious when people think they know how much it costs to make a movie based on "feelings".

Reshoots could be a relatively minor expense. Depending on their length they're part of the original budget. Special effects are a huge part of this type of movie and those aren't likely completed until the live action filming is deemed complete.