Cameron has given the OK ...

[Jimmy Thick]

Wait a second...

First the insiders said Avatarland was dead?

Then they said its not dead but they haven't done anything with it?

Now that there are plans, which shows Disney has been working on it all this time Avatarland is cool?

Goes to show you, you just can't trust anyone.

Jimmy Thick- Yeah, Disney wasn't working on a billion dollar, high profile property they publicly announced...

 

[whylightbulb]

Wait a second...

First the insiders said Avatarland was dead?

Then they said its not dead but they haven't done anything with it?

Now that there are plans, which shows Disney has been working on it all this time Avatarland is cool?

Goes to show you, you just can't trust anyone.

Jimmy Thick- Yeah, Disney wasn't working on a billion dollar, high profile property they publicly announced...

I don't recall anyone saying the project was ever completely dead. Even when it looked like it was on "life support" WDI was still working on it. So yes WDI had over a year to put together a complete concept package. I'm not sure what your point is here. There are literally hundreds of projects that will never be built that have gotten to the level Avatar has. One example that I presonally worked on is the ____ Tracy Crimestoppers ride. We had a full set of concept renderings, schematics, R & D, Mock-ups etc. That attraction was also announced and as you can see it never made the light of day.

There were a few times during the year when Avatar could have gone either way.

 

[cba]

Might be able to be done...

 

[FrankLapidus]

Wait a second...

First the insiders said Avatarland was dead?

Then they said its not dead but they haven't done anything with it?

Now that there are plans, which shows Disney has been working on it all this time Avatarland is cool?

Goes to show you, you just can't trust anyone.

Jimmy Thick- Yeah, Disney wasn't working on a billion dollar, high profile property they publicly announced...

What insider said categorically that Avatarland was dead? I can remember them saying that it was on "life support" and that at times it looked significantly more likely to not happen but I can't remember anyone with any inside information saying that it was officially dead; close to dead perhaps but never actually dead. The insiders have said that Disney have been working on this "billion dollar, high profile property" for the past year but that that work was moving at a snail's pace which isn't that hard to believe given the reputation of the two parties involved and the time it has taken to get a glimpse of any sort of concrete plan. Over the course of the past year how do you know Avatarland hasn't had the problems the insiders have spoken about? Insiders have said for a long time that Disney wanted a Soarin'-type ride (not Soarin' 2.0 but something similar) and then some kind of zoo-like attraction which, by the sounds of it, is what's planned (though I haven't looked at the plans myself so maybe I've misread some parts of this thread and they're different), so how do you know for certain there hasn't been some kind of compromise between Disney and Cameron over what the land would contain? Seems to me that when it comes to the information they provide, insiders are damned if they do and damned if they don't, you might not like the information they provide but there isn't any reason to suspect that the information they have provided wasn't correct at the time they provided it and that circumstances have changed since then.

 

[cba]

Ultimate Orlando said that it might be dead back in September: http://ultimateorlando.blogspot.be/2012/09/cars-land-to-replace-pandora-world-of.html
I don't believe that it's dead because then this thread probably would have never been started. Since that article was made back in September, I doubt the plan is dead, I think it's very much alive.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Might be able to be done...

Especially if those floating mountains are giant "balloons" tethered to the ground by vines and held up by a combo of cables and such.

 

[Lee]

I don't recall anyone saying the project was ever completely dead. Even when it looked like it was on "life support" WDI was still working on it. So yes WDI had over a year to put together a complete concept package. I'm not sure what your point is here. There are literally hundreds of projects that will never be built that have gotten to the level Avatar has. One example that I presonally worked on is the ____ Tracy Crimestoppers ride. We had a full set of concept renderings, schematics, R & D, Mock-ups etc. That attraction was also announced and as you can see it never made the light of day.

There were a few times during the year when Avatar could have gone either way.

Exactly. This has been the most troubled project to come down the line in...maybe ever, but it was never dead. Anyone saying that was just trying to grab a headline.

It took them a year to even reach an agreement on what would go into the land, thanks to the...ummm...disagreements...between Disney and Lightstorm. (I'm also told that budget remains a sticking point, despite an agreement on the actual menu of attractions.)

As edwardtc said above, there is still a long way to go before they get clost to starting actual construction.

 

[MKCP 1985]

So wdw74 and Raven didn't have a "back and forth" disagreement with Raven saying the Avatar project was still going forward and wdw74 saying it was dead?

Or are we splitting hairs and playing semantics?

Regardless, it is encouraging (to me) to see developments for the reason Avatar-land is everything Dinoland is not. Great to see innovation going into a WDW park

 

[HenryMystic]

So wdw74 and Raven didn't have a "back and forth" disagreement with Raven saying the Avatar project was still going forward and wdw74 saying it was dead?

Or are we splitting hairs and playing semantics?

Regardless, it is encouraging (to me) to see developments for the reason Avatar-land is everything Dinoland is not. Great to see innovation going into a WDW park

As always, semantics.

 

[Captain Chaos]

So wdw74 and Raven didn't have a "back and forth" disagreement with Raven saying the Avatar project was still going forward and wdw74 saying it was dead?

Or are we splitting hairs and playing semantics?

Regardless, it is encouraging (to me) to see developments for the reason Avatar-land is everything Dinoland is not. Great to see innovation going into a WDW park

74 and Raven did have a "my junk is bigger than your junk" argument over Avatar. I remember cause that is when the term Spirit Dust was born (though I wonder why it hasn't caught on as much as pixie dust has LOL). But, I don't recall 74 saying, in that argument, that Avatar was dead, just limping along to a slow demise.

The only people I remember claiming Avatar was dead were the ones reading too much into 74's and Lee's posts, and Rudolph's as well... The haters who are hoping beyond hope for the project to get cancelled... The people who wanted to see Avatar come but read the posts wrong... In other words, the rest of us (the 99% of the membership here who do not have any connections and are not insiders) were the only ones proclaiming Avatar dead...

 

[lazyboy97o]

74 and Raven did have a "my junk is bigger than your junk" argument over Avatar. I remember cause that is when the term Spirit Dust was born (though I wonder why it hasn't caught on as much as pixie dust has LOL). But, I don't recall 74 saying, in that argument, that Avatar was dead, just limping along to a slow demise.

I think Raven's sources tend to be more optimistic when speaking with him than others do when speaking to other persons. Be it Avatar, Downtown Disney or whatever, each project always seems to be moving along swimmingly while others report infighting, complications and delays.

 

[GoofGoof]

74 and Raven did have a "my junk is bigger than your junk" argument over Avatar. I remember cause that is when the term Spirit Dust was born (though I wonder why it hasn't caught on as much as pixie dust has LOL). But, I don't recall 74 saying, in that argument, that Avatar was dead, just limping along to a slow demise.

The only people I remember claiming Avatar was dead were the ones reading too much into 74's and Lee's posts, and Rudolph's as well... The haters who are hoping beyond hope for the project to get cancelled... The people who wanted to see Avatar come but read the posts wrong... In other words, the rest of us (the 99% of the membership here who do not have any connections and are not insiders) were the only ones proclaiming Avatar dead...

I would agree with this. I think a lot of the people who were dead set against Avatar took reports that it was having lots of problems and ran with it and started saying it was dead. Wishful thinking more than fact. I do remember a lot of talk about it being on life support and possibly being very delayed, but none of the reliable sources were calling it dead. Anyone who knows any of Disney's history knows that this kind of back and forth seems to happen on a lot of projects: movies, attractions, retail stores.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Seems like Disney and Universal are having "junk comparisons". Good for the tourists!

 

[danlb_2000]

Wait a second...

First the insiders said Avatarland was dead?

Then they said its not dead but they haven't done anything with it?

Now that there are plans, which shows Disney has been working on it all this time Avatarland is cool?

Goes to show you, you just can't trust anyone.

Jimmy Thick- Yeah, Disney wasn't working on a billion dollar, high profile property they publicly announced...

So what you are trying to say is that projects of this sort always progress smoothly from concept to opening, correct? The status of a project never changes behind the scenes? If a project is completed and opens then there never could have been a point where there were development problems? So by this logic Disney designed and announced Hyperion Wharf with no intention of ever building it?

 

[Captain Chaos]

I think Raven's sources tend to be more optimistic when speaking with him than others do when speaking to other persons. Be it Avatar, Downtown Disney or whatever, each project always seems to be moving along swimmingly while others report infighting, complications and delays.

I agree with you. Raven does post very optimistic updates... Nothing wrong with that... Everyone will post an update spun to fit their agenda... Some people will post Avatar is more troubled than it really is, others will post Avatar isn't troubled yet it is somewhat... all depends on how Disney wants to use the insiders to fit their agenda... And let's face it, insiders are always used to try to further an agenda or spread misinformation on purpose...

 

[Jimmy Thick]

From the get go, NONE of the so called "insiders" have been correct about anything Avatar related.

Face it, the "insiders" are here to amuse us more often than not than to provide anything real.

My opinion of course, thats pretty factual.


Jimmy Thick- Open ended rumor in 3...2...

 

[wdwfan22]

From the get go, NONE of the so called "insiders" have been correct about anything Avatar related.

Face it, the "insiders" are here to amuse us more often than not than to provide anything real.

My opinion of course, thats pretty factual.

Jimmy Thick- Open ended rumor in 3...2...

Maybe not everything about avatar but quite a bit. I look at this way it's just gossip between people. I really believe that no member here in a position of power with Disney. Just my opinion on the matter though

 

[lazyboy97o]

I agree with you. Raven does post very optimistic updates... Nothing wrong with that... Everyone will post an update spun to fit their agenda... Some people will post Avatar is more troubled than it really is, others will post Avatar isn't troubled yet it is somewhat... all depends on how Disney wants to use the insiders to fit their agenda... And let's face it, insiders are always used to try to further an agenda or spread misinformation on purpose...

I was not even going that far (not that I deny its occurring), just more based on how Raven has described his relationship with his sources. According to him, he works at a business at least a few people from Disney frequent and has developed a relationship with these people in which they share information with him. I just do not think that is the sort of relationship in which people will be as forthcoming regarding the headaches and nastiness of their job. Maybe I am wrong, as I am not present during these conversations, but it is just my opinion based on what has been said here.

 

[alissafalco]

From the get go, NONE of the so called "insiders" have been correct about anything Avatar related.

Face it, the "insiders" are here to amuse us more often than not than to provide anything real.

My opinion of course, thats pretty factual.


Jimmy Thick- Open ended rumor in 3...2...

Anything is factual in a delusional mind I suppose.

 

[Tom Morrow]

From the get go, NONE of the so called "insiders" have been correct about anything Avatar related.

Face it, the "insiders" are here to amuse us more often than not than to provide anything real.

My opinion of course, thats pretty factual.


Jimmy Thick- Open ended rumor in 3...2...

How have they NOT been correct? They told us that Cameron and Disney couldn't agree and the project was dying. Hence why we never saw a single piece of concept art, details, or anything at all and it's been well over a year since the announcement.

They told us that the best that Disney could muster to offer Cameron for the main E-ticket was some sort of Soarin' 2.0. Welp, look at the leaked blueprints - there you go. Speaking of said blueprints, it wasn't until they told us that Cameron finally gave Disney the "ok" that blueprints are leaked to the internet. As in, "the project is no longer dead, here you go."