News California indoor Mask Mandate is lifted

[mickEblu]

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I haven't seen it yet, may go in the next couple days, but as I understand it its a very good MCU film. And from a few people I know who've seen it its one of the best Spider-Man films.

It was pretty good. I wish I didn’t know one of the major spoilers going in. That would have made it a lot better. The spoilers were coming up on my Facebook feed for a couple months before the movie even came out so it was kind of unavoidable.

 

[Disney Irish]

It was pretty good. I wish I didn’t know one of the major spoilers going in. That would have made it a lot better. The spoilers were coming up on my Facebook feed for a couple months before the movie even came out so it was kind of unavoidable.

Its the era we live in now, no way to avoid spoilers unless you completely get off the internet permanently.

 

[Professortango1]

It was pretty good. I wish I didn’t know one of the major spoilers going in. That would have made it a lot better. The spoilers were coming up on my Facebook feed for a couple months before the movie even came out so it was kind of unavoidable.

Its sad because the original intent for the film was to advertise it as a Spider-Man/Dr. Strange film. They wanted to leave all of the old villains out of the marketing. I wish I could live in a reality where seeing the villains appear one by one was a complete and utter shock.

 

[waltography]

Its sad because the original intent for the film was to advertise it as a Spider-Man/Dr. Strange film. They wanted to leave all of the old villains out of the marketing. I wish I could live in a reality where seeing the villains appear one by one was a complete and utter shock.

I'm sure part of the pivot had to do with Alfred Molina and Jamie Foxx both spoiling that they were in the movie, which is a shame because the Spider-Man vs. Dr. Strange marketing would have made the in-theater experience insane.

 

[Professortango1]

I'm sure part of the pivot had to do with Alfred Molina and Jamie Foxx both spoiling that they were in the movie, which is a shame because the Spider-Man vs. Dr. Strange marketing would have made the in-theater experience insane.

It's one of the issues with modern media. The trades are so hungry for content of any type that we knew about Fox when the contract was signed. They also knew that leaked pictures of hot shoots and elements are so common now-a-days that it is no longer realistic to expect to keep these things contained. Its kind of frustrating.

 

[TP2000]

You've talked many times about business leaving California but the money is still being invested in Cali and not other states by a gigantic degree.

I've talked about California losing its middle and upper-middle classes because of all the companies leaving California. With unstylish and unhip companies like automakers and metalurgy and machine parts and defense contractors running for the exits and taking all their 75K to 250K per year middle class jobs with them.

You can't run a state based on a gaggle of Bay Area billionaires and some worthless Hollywood celebs who are serviced by 20 million working class serfs doing their hair and mowing their lawns and delivering pre-cooked meals.

A state needs viable commerce and industry making and delivering products, goods and services to keep the middle class going. It's the middle class that is abandoning California at a quickening pace, not the billionaires.

 

[Disney Irish]

I've talked about California losing its middle and upper-middle classes because of all the companies leaving California. With unstylish and unhip companies like automakers and metalurgy and machine parts and defense contractors running for the exits and taking all their 75K to 250K per year middle class jobs with them.

You can't run a state based on a gaggle of Bay Area billionaires and some worthless Hollywood celebs who are serviced by 20 million working class serfs doing their hair and mowing their lawns and delivering pre-cooked meals.

A state needs viable commerce and industry making and delivering products, goods and services to keep the middle class going. It's the middle class that is abandoning California at a quickening pace, not the billionaires.

In reality a majority of Californians are remaining in-state. They maybe moving out of the metro areas like LA and the Bay Area, but they are remaining in the state.

While your Uhaul info is interesting its not proof there is a mass exodus in any measurable way. And the fact that you keep bringing up as proof, California losing a congressional seat, is actually due to less people moving into California not a mass exodus. There appears to be no increase in people moving out of California then in years past.

This is the report itself if you want to read it -

UC studies: Contrary to popular belief, residents are not fleeing California

Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents planning to move out of the state, according to the results of a new UC survey.

www.universityofcalifornia.edu

 

[TP2000]

In reality a majority of Californians are remaining in-state. They maybe moving out of the metro areas like LA and the Bay Area, but they are remaining in the state.

While your Uhaul info is interesting its not proof there is a mass exodus in any measurable way. And the fact that you keep bringing up as proof, California losing a congressional seat, is actually due to less people moving into California not a mass exodus. There appears to be no increase in people moving out of California then in years past.

This is the report itself if you want to read it -

UC studies: Contrary to popular belief, residents are not fleeing California

Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents planning to move out of the state, according to the results of a new UC survey.

www.universityofcalifornia.edu

The simple fact is that California lost 173,000 people in the last 18 months. And it's a trend that's not stopping, as seen by information from U-Haul and other moving companies.

Most of that loss happened after the US Census conducted its count from February, 2020 to August, 2020. And even before that 2021 loss, we had already lost a Congressional seat and an Electoral College vote.

I know it's embarassing for Californians to admit it, and the UC System is not going to admit embarassment. But the math is simple and accurate. California is losing population, a lot of them middle class. And it's not stopping.

From a couple weeks ago in the notoriously right-wing Lxs Angelxs Times...

California population continues decline, driven by lower immigration, fewer births and pandemic deaths

The state’s population declined by 173,000 between July 2020 and July 2021, bringing the estimated total population to 39.37 million.

www.latimes.com

Somehow, all the national excuses that the LA Times writer came up with (visa applications, college closures, Covid deaths, etc.) didn't apply to the other states that substantially grew population during the exact same timeframe California lost population.

In Texas, the state Californians love to hate, that state's population grew by over 300,000 in the exact same timeframe that California lost 173,000. Coming in second place was Florida, with a 2021 growth of about 210,000.

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[planodisney]

Yah I couldn’t care less about a report.
I live in the Dallas metro area and the amount of new California residents, everywhere, Cali license plates and California refugees enrolling in our kids private school is jaw dropping.
It’s a major topic of conversation and has been for more than a year. It’s a fact of life here.
Don’t California our Texas and “Remember you’re a refugee not a pioneer” and you will be very welcomed” are common cries here.

 

[Disney Irish]

The simple fact is that California lost 173,000 people in the last 18 months. And it's a trend that's not stopping, as seen by information from U-Haul and other moving companies.

Most of that loss happened after the US Census conducted its count from February, 2020 to August, 2020. And even before that loss, we had already lost a Congressional seat and an Electoral College vote.

I know it's embarassing for Californians to admit it, and the UC System is not going to admit embarassment. But the math is simple and accurate. California is losing population, a lot of them middle class. And it's not stopping.

From a couple weeks ago in the notoriously right-wing Lxs Angelxs Times...

California population continues decline, driven by lower immigration, fewer births and pandemic deaths

The state’s population declined by 173,000 between July 2020 and July 2021, bringing the estimated total population to 39.37 million.

www.latimes.com

173k out of almost 40M in an almost 2 year period is a rounding error, not a mass exodus.

I understand that there is this narrative that must be maintained for election cycles, but the reality is its not happening. In prior years the amount of incoming Californians outpaced the outgoing. Its not the outgoing that increased its in the incoming that slowed down. And a large reason for that is because immigration slowed down during the last half decade. I won't go into the reasons for that because it goes down a rabbit hole that we don't want to go in this forum, but there is a reason it slowed during that time period.

And despite some tech companies HQs leaving, California still has the largest population of tech companies and new tech startups anywhere in the world. As pointed out previously VC firms still invest more here than any other state in the union, and that isn't changing anytime soon. And while movies and TV shows are filmed and produced across the world, California is still the home to most major films studios and their operations, again not changing anytime soon.

Oh and by the way, that 173k is actually way down from years past. So again there isn't really this mass exodus, especially since it slowed over the last 18-24 months.

What will be interesting to see is once the pandemic is fully over and immigration starts happening again if we'll see California have a population boom again.

 

[TP2000]

173k out of almost 40M in an almost 2 year period is a rounding error, not a mass exodus.

It was a loss of 173,000 during an exactly 12 month period; July, 2020 to July, 2021. When I said "18 months", I meant it's the loss we know happened since July, 2020, about 18 months ago.

The July to July year is the 12 month year the US Census uses for its calculations and data.

That same 12 month period of July '20 to July '21 was when Texas' population grew by over 300,000 and Florida's population grew by over 210,000.

It's not a rounding error. It's hard data on California's declining population (and the booming populations of several other states that Californians love to hate; Texas, Florida, etc.).

Census Bureau: Florida and Texas population up, California and New York way down

TALLAHASSEE — Florida trailed only Texas in population increases from 2020 to 2021, while the nation had the slowest growth rate in its history, according to information released Tuesday by the U.S…

thecapitolist.com

 

[TP2000]

Wait a minute, the LA Times article seems to have fudged some numbers to come up with "only" a 173,000 loss of population.

According to the actual US Census data, 367,000 people moved out of California during that year. Factoring in births and some people moving in to California, the state lost a total of 261,000 people during the July '20 to July '21 timeframe.

I'm struggling to come up with how the LA Times turned those US Census numbers into 173,000 instead of the 261,000 the US Census claims.

And I hate math. But I'm going to try and figure out the LA Times wonky math here this evening.

Census Bureau: Florida and Texas population up, California and New York way down

TALLAHASSEE — Florida trailed only Texas in population increases from 2020 to 2021, while the nation had the slowest growth rate in its history, according to information released Tuesday by the U.S…

thecapitolist.com

 

[Disney Irish]

It was a loss of 173,000 during an exactly 12 month period; July, 2020 to July, 2021. When I said "18 months", I meant it's the loss we know happened since July, 2020, about 18 months ago.

The July to July year is the 12 month year the US Census uses for its calculations and data.

That same 12 month period of July '20 to July '21 was when Texas' population grew by over 300,000 and Florida's population grew by over 210,000.

It's not a rounding error. It's hard data on California's declining population (and the booming populations of several other states that Californians love to hate; Texas, Florida, etc.).

Census Bureau: Florida and Texas population up, California and New York way down

TALLAHASSEE — Florida trailed only Texas in population increases from 2020 to 2021, while the nation had the slowest growth rate in its history, according to information released Tuesday by the U.S…

thecapitolist.com

Wait a minute, the LA Times article seems to have fudged some numbers to come up with "only" a 173,000 loss of population.

According to the actual US Census data, 367,000 people moved out of California during that year. Factoring in births and some people moving in to California, the state lost a total of 261,000 people during the July '20 to July '21 timeframe.

I'm struggling to come up with how the LA Times turned those US Census numbers into 173,000 instead of the 261,000 the US Census claims.

And I hate math. But I'm going to try and figure out the LA Times wonky math here this evening.

Census Bureau: Florida and Texas population up, California and New York way down

TALLAHASSEE — Florida trailed only Texas in population increases from 2020 to 2021, while the nation had the slowest growth rate in its history, according to information released Tuesday by the U.S…

thecapitolist.com

Point is still the same, 173k or even 261k it's way down compared to the years prior. Go look up the data yourself, but the "mass exodus" is way over blown. If anything its slowed waaaaaayyyyy down compared to 2015-2019 years.

Also the question still remains once the pandemic is fully over and immigration is back in full swing will California have a population boom again, it'll be interesting to see. But I wouldn't be surprised if in the next census California regains that lost seat and maybe even gains another.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What will be interesting to see is once the pandemic is fully over and immigration starts happening again if we'll see California have a population boom again.

California depends entirely on international migration for growth, they’ve been losing between 100,000-200,000 domestically every year of the 21st century, it’s just offset by Hispanic and Asian migration, and high birth rates.

Covid stopped international moves so the 173,000 lost this year shows normal domestic loss without the international growth to offset it.

Once Covid dies down international growth will likely pick up again, the big question is whether that international growth will continue indefinitely. The other big question is how will the new ”work from home” model affect California, if employees can live anywhere that takes away a huge captive audience that has to live in California due to it being the countries tech hub.

The reason it feels like a “mass exodus” for those of us living in states like NV, UT, ID, TX, etc is because we’re seeing thousands of Califonia license plates moving into our cities but CA doesn’t feel it because they’re being replaced with new residents from out of country.

 

[Disney Irish]

California depends entirely on international migration for growth, they’ve been losing between 100,000-200,000 domestically the entire 21st century, it’s just offset by Hispanic and Asian growth.

Covid stopped international moves so the 173,000 lost this year shows normal domestic loss without the international growth to offset it.

Once Covid dies down international growth will likely pick up again, the big question is whether that international growth will continue indefinitely. The other big question is how will the new ”work from home” model affect California, if employees can live anywhere, that takes away a huge captive audience that has to live in California due to it being the countries tech hub.

Yep, I agree with all that.

As for the work from home aspect. The issue with that is the potential income lost due to living in lower cost states. Living in California allows for the higher incomes in those jobs. So will companies continue to pay California wages for a person now living in Idaho, that remains to be seen. So will that have an impact, maybe maybe not. Also will the work from home model continue long term as well, again maybe maybe not.

Again it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the next few years.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Yep, I agree with all that.

As for the work from home aspect. The issue with that is the potential income lost due to living in lower cost states. Living in California allows for the higher incomes in those jobs. So will companies continue to pay California wages for a person now living in Idaho, that remains to be seen. So will that have an impact, maybe maybe not. Also will the work from home model continue long term as well, again maybe maybe not.

Again it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the next few years.

My brother works for AAA insurance here in Vegas, his office used to be based in San Francisco but was moved here in the early 2000s for financial reasons. When they moved it was accompanied by a pay adjustment (aka decrease) but that cut was a fraction of the cost of living decrease.

Some people (like my brother) loved the move because it was like getting a 100% pay raise overnight, he went from struggling to make ends meet to having mounds of disposable income, others ended up moving back because they hated living in the desert.

The biggest thing CA has going for it has always been the weather and the scenery, no matter how ridiculous everything else is (prices, homelessness, crime, taxes, etc,etc) it’s still a natural wonder that will always be attractive enough to some people to offset any negatives.

 

[TP2000]

Ah, okay, I figured out why the stats the LA Times used are different than the stats the US Census uses.

The lesser 173,000 person decline cited in the LA Times is a lone stat from the California Department of Finance in Sacramento. The Department of Finance has also claimed that California has a higher population than the US Census Bureau says we do. I'll have to dig more to figure out how that Sacramento office gets their data, but suffice it to say it would behoove Sacramento bureaucrats to claim there are more people living here than there are (more people = more funding).

Here's the official US Census data on state population growth/decline for the one year period ending July, 2021:

California = Net Loss of 261,902 Residents
Texas = Net Gain of 310,288 Residents
Florida = Net Gain of 211,196 Residents

Those are the net changes, after births and deaths and moves are factored in. What's interesting is that California actually saw 367,299 residents move out of the state during that single year. But with births (Covid kept a lot of couples at home on Saturday nights! ) and some new arrivals factored in, the net loss for California was 261,902.

The LA Times obviously isn't going to mention those unflattering Census numbers, and instead ignores the Census data and just uses more flattering information from the state's Department of Finance. About 1% of Californians moved out of the state in just a twelve month period.

Almost 1% of Californians Moved Away in 2021

New Vintage 2021 Population Estimates Available for the Nation, States and Puerto Rico

According to estimates and components of change released today, the population of the United States grew in the past year by 392,665, or 0.1%.

www.census.gov

 

[TP2000]

My brother works for AAA insurance here in Vegas, his office used to be based in San Francisco but was moved here in the early 2000s for financial reasons. When they moved it was accompanied by a pay adjustment (aka decrease) but that cut was a fraction of the cost of living decrease.

Some people (like my brother) loved the move because it was like getting a 100% pay raise overnight, he went from struggling to make ends meet to having mounds of disposable income, others ended up moving back because they hated living in the desert.

I broke up my return drive from Utah into two days for a stop in Vegas this week. I stayed at Ceasars to pay homage to some old memories, and enjoyed their Bacchanal Buffet. As I had been house hunting in Utah the day before, I paused and considered Las Vegas... and quickly dropped it as an option.

I liken Las Vegas living to Seattle living. If you are born in Seattle, the endless 10 months of overcast and drizzle is no big deal. But if you move to Seattle from a more normal climate, by April you have gone insane for not seeing the sun. Same with Las Vegas. If you are born in the desert, you deal with it or even enjoy it. But it's a hard climate to move to as an adult used to normal four seasons, much less a weather wimp from SoCal.

The biggest thing CA has going for it has always been the weather and the scenery, no matter how ridiculous everything else is (prices, homelessness, crime, taxes, etc,etc) it’s still a natural wonder that will always be attractive enough to some people to offset any negatives.

No matter what Sacramento bureacrats and politicians do, the climate of San Diego and Orange County will be untouchable. Santa Barbara will still be perfect. And Malibu and Palos Verdes will always be pretty.

But I don't blame all these young, middle class families for fleeing the state like a cheap motel with bedbugs.

 

[TP2000]

Covid stopped international moves so the 173,000 lost this year shows normal domestic loss without the international growth to offset it.

It's my fault for trusting the very left-wing LA Times and linking a recent article of theirs here. The 173,000 figure is apparently inaccurate data supplied by a Sacramento finance office, not the US Census data. I will be far more skeptical of using LA Times information in the future here, and I apologize for the mistake.

The official US Census Bureau data is much worse. 367,000 Californians packed up and moved to a new state during that 12 month period. Add in some births and deaths, and a few new folks moving in, and the net loss for California's population was 261,000 people. In only 12 month's time.

That big California loss was at the exact same time that Texas added over 300,000 and Florida added 210,000 people.

The reason it feels like a “mass exodus” for those of us living in states like NV, UT, ID, TX, etc is because we’re seeing thousands of Califonia license plates moving into our cities but CA doesn’t feel it because they’re being replaced with new residents from out of country.

It's something that is actually happening. It's not a lie created by U-Haul.

A lot of Californians like to pretend it's not happening or it's overblown, or it's nothing to worry about, or newly arriving migrants from Central America will more than make up for losing hundreds of thousands of tax paying, middle class American citizens every year to Texas and Tennessee and Idaho.

Heck, one established poster here (since removed from the community) claimed that hundreds of thousands of middle class tax payers fleeing California was a really good thing, because those types of people are often "white" and vote the wrong way. I was stunned at that display of open bigotry, and yet that's an acceptable opinion to say out loud at certain west LA cocktail parties or in UC faculty lounges.

But the Texas Department of Finance is laughing all the way to the bank!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I liken Las Vegas living to Seattle living. If you are born in Seattle, the endless 10 months of overcast and drizzle is no big deal. But if you move to Seattle from a more normal climate, by April you have gone insane for not seeing the sun. Same with Las Vegas. If you are born in the desert, you deal with it or even enjoy it. But it's a hard climate to move to as an adult used to normal four seasons, much less a weather wimp from SoCal.

It’s not as bad as people think but it definitely takes an adjustment. 3 chilly months, 6 nice/warm months, and 3 brutal months. I moved here 20 years ago from Salt Lake City and still prefer 3 months of brutal heat to 3 months of driving in snow.

My biggest complaint with Vegas is the scenery, I live in one of the greenest master planned communities in the city and it’s still predominantly brown. Tree lined streets and landscaping can only go so far when the surrounding mountains are all brown.

My second big complaint is it feels WAY to much like a big city now. Traffic is up, crime is up, everyone is in a hurry, people aren’t as friendly… I may as well live in LA or New York. The populations was about 1.3 million when I moved here and it’s over 2.8 million now (thanks CA ) so I’m not surprised but it’s lost the town feel it had when I moved here.

I’ve planned on retiring in Orlando for as long as I can remember but now I’m starting to worry it’s too big a city now also. Even the more suburban/rural areas like Clermont are being absorbed by the urban sprawl.

Heck, one established poster here (since removed from the community) claimed that hundreds of thousands of middle class tax payers fleeing California was a really good thing, because those types of people are often "white" and vote the wrong way. I was stunned at that display of open bigotry, and yet that's an acceptable opinion to say out loud at certain west LA cocktail parties or in UC faculty lounges.

I recall that, funny how many people say they want diversity but only if everyone’s exactly like them.