News California indoor Mask Mandate is lifted

[Disney Irish]

I don't know anyone in Memphis. And I don't have a beach house in Hawaii they could use, even if I did know people from Memphis.

I'm just talking about my old friends who used my beach house in La Jolla. They now have firsthand experience that's convinced them Californians are hypocritical nutjobs.

And the way UCLA leadership handled the pre-game events is proof of that. See the photos and videos above of maskless and non-socially distanced behavior condoned, hosted and arranged by the UCLA leadership.

I feel bad for your friends, but that is the risk of going to a live event during a pandemic.

My point continues to be that they weren't the only fans who lost out, and it wasn't isolated to just bowl games in California. If it had happened in just California I might be more willing to agree with you. But the fact that out of the 5 cancelled games only 1 was in California shows this ISN'T some wacky nutty California thing. And again it was some very conservative states and schools that also cancelled their games due to COVID.

 

[TP2000]

I feel bad for your friends, but that is the risk of going to a live event during a pandemic.

Don't worry, my friends and their extended family are fine. They can afford it. They were just annoyed and felt bad for other NC State families who can't take the financial hit as easily.

The catered taco party I had sent over from Valley Farm Market salved the annoyance that evening. But the overall trip to San Diego was an eye opener for them. They now think this state is full of a bunch of weirdo Karens who are deeply hypocritical, aside from the very poor way UCLA handled the pre-game events and last-second cancellation.

My buddy from the Service (the reason I offered the beach house to him as his son went to NC State), can't figure out why I live here. The rainy, cold weather they endured didn't help me sell the SoCal lifestyle. He thinks I should move to North Carolina for my remaining years. I actually have my sights on two other states now, as I've hit my breaking point with California taxes. But that's another story.

Arizona is not on my short list, but it's been fantastic being here for this Christmas break. Not a mask mandate in sight! Everything open and normal, living our vaccinated lives to the fullest. It really makes you reconsider California.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Everything open and normal, living our vaccinated lives to the fullest. It really makes you reconsider California.

South Dakota was great... not a mask or any covid funkiness in sight.

In the past several months they've been playing ads on the radio etc. about spending your dollars here in CA so as to help with reopening things... I laugh every time I hear it as I gladly will spend the money to travel out of state and spend my money elsewhere. Heck, at the rate things are going and with the debacle that the keys have been at Dland, I'll probably visit WDW again before setting foot in Dland...

 

[TP2000]

South Dakota was great... not a mask or any covid funkiness in sight.

In the past several months they've been playing ads on the radio etc. about spending your dollars here in CA so as to help with reopening things... I laugh every time I hear it as I gladly will spend the money to travel out of state and spend my money elsewhere. Heck, at the rate things are going and with the debacle that the keys have been at Dland, I'll probably visit WDW again before setting foot in Dland...

Our family purposely avoided California this Christmas for that reason. We rented a little compound on Airbnb in Arizona and had a fabulous time. Sort of a Town n' Country lifestyle, with a few nights out at snazzy restaurants.

I got all the kids back onto planes for various states in the last 12 hours. Now I'm going to take a detour driving home tomorrow and check out southern Utah, St. George area just to see. A couple I know, lifelong and once-proud Californians, moved there from OC last winter and rave about how refreshing it is not to live in California.

I once said I wasn't leaving SoCal. But the past few months as everything slid backwards again may have been the last straw. That messy Magic Key thing isn't helping.

 

[Bullseye1967]

I actually have my sights on two other states now

Just curious......care to share? or even in DM?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

South Dakota was great... not a mask or any covid funkiness in sight.

In the past several months they've been playing ads on the radio etc. about spending your dollars here in CA so as to help with reopening things... I laugh every time I hear it as I gladly will spend the money to travel out of state and spend my money elsewhere. Heck, at the rate things are going and with the debacle that the keys have been at Dland, I'll probably visit WDW again before setting foot in Dland...

We‘re seriously considering just going to WDW a few times next year instead of renewing our DL keys even though we are only a few hours away, the reservation debacle combined with the now insane Genie+ lines have kind of ruined DL for us. They still have about 8 months to make changes and fix DL but for the first time in a decade I don’t think DL is worth the hassle and price.

Our family purposely avoided California this Christmas for that reason. We rented a little compound on Airbnb in Arizona and had a fabulous time. Sort of a Town n' Country lifestyle, with a few nights out at snazzy restaurants.

I got all the kids back onto planes for various states in the last 12 hours. Now I'm going to take a detour driving home tomorrow and check out southern Utah, St. George area just to see. A couple I know, lifelong and once-proud Californians, moved there from OC last winter and rave about how refreshing it is not to live in California.

I once said I wasn't leaving SoCal. But the past few months as everything slid backwards again may have been the last straw. That messy Magic Key thing isn't helping.

I spent a weekend in Sandy with my family for Christmas and had such an amazing time I ended up looking at homes before I left, only to be shocked at how high the prices have gone. I hadn‘t realize how gloomy and oppressive Las Vegas felt until I felt “normal” again, our rules are pretty minimal here (just indoor masks) but because we’re a tourism town we’re constantly talking about Covid and how it is harming us, to go someplace where Covid was in the background rather than the foreground took a massive weight off my shoulders.

Southern Utah is gorgeous, job prospects aren’t amazing but for those that work at home or are retired it would be high on my list, especially if you golf.

 

[TP2000]

Just curious......care to share? or even in DM?

Happy to share! I'm currently contemplating...

• Utah. Several friends in the last 18 months moved there and rave about it. I don't golf, but still try to play tennis. I had to recalibrate my brain on Utah as I assumed it's still a Dry state where I'd get in trouble for not being in church on Sundays. But apparently my sinful lifestyle can be overlooked in the 21st century.
• Tennessee (your home!). I have a niece who suddenly moved to Nashville for a job earlier this year from California and loves it. She and her husband just bought a home they could never afford in California, and their lives have improved immensely. I have two friends (much older, different demographic than the niece) who are fed up with California and did a recon trip to Tennessee in October and are on the verge of pulling the trigger on moving from Yorba Linda to Tennessee. They've got no family there, no attachments to Tennessee, but it just felt right to them. And the tax and financial aspects are unbeatable.

 

[TP2000]

...to go someplace where Covid was in the background rather than the foreground took a massive weight off my shoulders.

That's it exactly.

I'm not young and have no need to worry about buying a home or starting a family, which is why so many now flee California. But the thought of living someplace where I am respected and trusted by fellow adults to make appropriate decisions about my own health and safety is important to me.

 

[Sailor310]

Were they vaccinated?

Yes. As I wrote, "shots and boosters". They had J and J, but England wasn't accepting it so they got Pfizer and a booster. Felt crummy for 10 days but nothing worse.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Happy to share! I'm currently contemplating...

• Utah. Several friends in the last 18 months moved there and rave about it. I don't golf, but still try to play tennis. I had to recalibrate my brain on Utah as I assumed it's still a Dry state where I'd get in trouble for not being in church on Sundays. But apparently my sinful lifestyle can be overlooked in the 21st century.
• Tennessee (your home!). I have a niece who suddenly moved to Nashville for a job earlier this year from California and loves it. She and her husband just bought a home they could never afford in California, and their lives have improved immensely. I have two friends (much older, different demographic than the niece) who are fed up with California and did a recon trip to Tennessee in October and are on the verge of pulling the trigger on moving from Yorba Linda to Tennessee. They've got no family there, no attachments to Tennessee, but it just felt right to them. And the tax and financial aspects are unbeatable.

Better sooner than later. Plus I would love to share 70's cocktail with you! I have 3 homes. Illinois, Tennessee, and Florida. I usually spend this part of the year in Florida but this year I am staying with my 88 year old father in Illinois. I hate it, but it is the right thing to do. My home is paid off but my property taxes are higher than my mortgage was. After he passes I will sell and never return. (I am a retired Chicago cop.) My house in TN, I almost sold last year due to the California rush, but it was not the right time for what was going on in our life. I live in a decent suburb of Nashville and the house across the street from me sold for 50k above listing price and the one kitty corner sold for almost double both sight unseen. Both to Californians. What we seem to think are high prices, Californian's seem to think are a bargain. Both seem to be upgrades to the neighbors I had, so I am loving that! Middle TN is getting expensive but we still have low property tax and no income tax.

 

[Lilofan]

Better sooner than later. Plus I would love to share 70's cocktail with you! I have 3 homes. Illinois, Tennessee, and Florida. I usually spend this part of the year in Florida but this year I am staying with my 88 year old father in Illinois. I hate it, but it is the right thing to do. My home is paid off but my property taxes are higher than my mortgage was. After he passes I will sell and never return. (I am a retired Chicago cop.) My house in TN, I almost sold last year due to the California rush, but it was not the right time for what was going on in our life. I live in a decent suburb of Nashville and the house across the street from me sold for 50k above listing price and the one kitty corner sold for almost double both sight unseen. Both to Californians. What we seem to think are high prices, Californian's seem to think are a bargain. Both seem to be upgrades to the neighbors I had, so I am loving that! Middle TN is getting expensive but we still have low property tax and no income tax.

Theire is also a new name also for the droves of CA residents packing up and moving to Austin TX, " Austinfornians"

 

[Parteecia]

Hundreds of UCLA students packed together, maskless, blowing dangerously into wind instruments no less!

They should have gone all tuba:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ents-vary-for-risk-of-virus-transmission.aspx

"The researchers found that the aerosols from these ten instruments covered ~20 to ~2400 particles/L, encompassing the range of normal breathing and speaking at ~90 and ~230 particles/L, respectively. The tuba has lower aerosols than if the performer was breathing normally, while the trumpet, oboe, and bass trombone produce more, compared to normal speaking. This means the tuba is a low-risk instrument for airborne transmission while the latter is associated with the highest risk."

 

[denyuntilcaught]

That's it exactly.

I'm not young and have no need to worry about buying a home or starting a family, which is why so many now flee California.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/09/leaving-california-exodus-evidence-myth

 

[truecoat]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/09/leaving-california-exodus-evidence-myth

Yep. This quote here tells you what you need to know about business in California.

During the first quarter of 2021, New York had 15% of US venture capital money, Texas had 2%, and Florida landed 2%.

The analysis showed that California’s portion of venture capital money was 48%, down a bit but in keeping with typical year-to-year changes, but the state continued to eclipse its oft-discussed competitors.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Fully vaxxed (complete with booster), and never stopped wearing two masks. People who don't want to comply can make shorter lines for me.

 

[Professortango1]

Who are not states full of hypocrites like California is.

The open hypocrisy and bizarre Karen-esque rule shaming of Californians is what set the NC State fans off.

The friends from Raleigh are back home, all safe and sound. No plans to return to California anytime soon. Living in a state with no statewide mask mandate and elected leaders who are not hypocrites on Covid.

Luckily, my friends and their extended family have a travel budget that could take that hit. Many other NC State fans are not so lucky, and stretched some budgets to afford the trip. NC State has the highest Black student enrollment aside from an HBCU school. Many of the students have parents that are working class, often the first person in the family to attend college, and a trip to San Diego to see their child perform in the band or football team was a very big deal for them. At least two days notice of the bowl cancellation would have been appropriate.

But if you are going to hinge an entire bowl game on last-second Covid tests of very healthy young people who aren't impacted by Covid, then perhaps don't host maskless SuperSpreader events like this the day before the game... Chanting! Cheering! Wind instruments!

So....you're mad that they weren't more stringent with COVID protocols prior to the game? The way you post in here, it seems you prefer less protocols and mandates. But because too many players popped positive, you now want to retroactively shame them?

As for young healthy people not being impacted by COVID...Michael Lang would disagree. It is a rarity, but long term health impacts and death can happen to young fit people as well.

Events being cancelled last minute due to COVID is kind of the norm right now. I had an event in August that was cancelled just days prior. I had tickets to a show that cancelled hours before the showtime. You say you wanted at least 2 days notice, but 2 days prior to the game, there were not enough positives to warrant a cancellation. So should they cancel games and events before they hit their limit, just in case, as a sign of precaution. Seems then you'd be arguing that they cancelled the game despite the threshold not being met and that Commiefornia was at it again!

I get being upset when things fall through. I've lost over $1,000 in cancelled trips this year. But its kind of how the world is working right now. I've learned my lesson about travel insurance.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Just extended to Feb 17…

The one positive of living in a state (Nevada) that’s had a never ending mask mandate is it makes dealing with other states frequently changing mandates much easier

 

[Professortango1]

Just extended to Feb 17…

The one positive of living in a state (Nevada) that’s had a never ending mask mandate is it makes dealing with other states frequently changing mandates much easier

Yeah, I had gone so long without needing masks, it was annoying having to find where I had tossed them. Although it beats the alternative. I've spent the past week in bed after my dad infected me. Good news: I've dropped 6 pounds since infection.

 

[Disney Irish]

Commiefornia! Lol It’s funny because its true. What else can we call a state that contains a city that requires children (that dont really get effected by Covid) to get a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested on children to protect adults or they can’t go to school? Then also consider that Newsom and San Francisco are also located in this state. Lol.

They were literally blocking the path of the main hallway to the theatres with a table at a local theatre complex to check vaccine cards and IDs. People were walking up to this table concentration camp style. You needed a bracelet to get back to the snack stand. Yet vaccinated people can sit inside the theatre with a mask off and eat their popcorn even though they can get get Covid 19 just like the rest of the us. This isn’t science. It’s propaganda.

Also can someone explain to me why Pfizer wants to hide their Covid 19 vaccine trial results from us for 75 years? Have the good ever been on the side of censorship? @October82

Children not affected by COVID, really?

A record-high number of kids are getting hospitalized with Covid-19 as overall Covid-19 hospitalizations soar past the Delta peak | CNN

In just four weeks, Omicron jumped from an estimated 8% of new Covid-19 infections to an estimated 95% of new infections, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.cnn.com

There were 325,000 new infections among those "not affected" children during the last week of December alone, including 1000s that were hospitalized. But guess they're just "faking it" to get out of school or something because they can't really be affected, cause as we know COVID checks IDs and ignores those under 18.

 

[Disney Irish]

CNN article? I’ll pass.
Care to weigh in on how LA county is handling this or my question about Pfizer? Or does that not go with the narrative? Since you avoided all that I’m good taking this conversation any further and seriously I’ve spent just about all the energy I have on this for tonight so reply if you want but I will not be replying back.

I'll comment on the other aspects of your post, I just didn't originally since it was the children not affected comment that I took issue with.

I have no issue with LA Counties handling of the pandemic at all. For generations we've had to show our vaccine cards for things including entry to school and it was never really an issue, except by a few anti-vaxxers. So I have no issue with showing my vaccine card if any county requires it. This isn't Nuremberg in the 40s, it ain't that big of a deal.

As for the Pfizer trial data, that isn't on them its on the FDA. An FDA mind you that was appointed by the previous administration when those requests for the data initially came in. The data itself will come out in time, just like all data on pharma trials. Now one thing that I heard out of Pfizer is they want to protect the formula for IP rights. The current administration is actually wanting to grant an IP waiver in favor of getting the vaccine out to as many countries as possible. So really other than red tape of getting the FOIA request completed, nothing will prevent the data from coming out sooner rather than later. It won't take 50-75 years, more like 12-18 months.

Also you don't like CNN, how about Reuters -

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com