Rumor Bye Bye (Tiki) Birdies?

[marni1971]

Wow, that is harsh. It was a blessing that the founder died? Anyway, all I was trying to say is that Disney doesn't have to work within the confines of the 4 parks. There is still enough land that they don't necessarily have to replace existing attractions for new ones. There is easily plenty of land for them to build additional attractions on. That is all I was trying to say.

Ignore him. He’s not known for his input.

 

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Ignore him. He’s not known for his input.

apparently...
good gawd.

 

[KBLovedDisney]

It was a blessing to the company and the shareholders that Walt passed on in 1966.

....and you're here because....you're a huge fan of...Disney....?

 

[Kman101]

Phil still up to his usual, I see ... ignore is your friend

 

[JustInTime]

I’m gonna be heartbroken when this happens. I adore the tiki room. Plus tiki is back in fashion...

 

[MichRX7]

Give it a full overhaul? Sure. Update the animatronics for more realism? Please. Get rid of it? Um, politely, hell no. This is a great attraction for families and younger kids. If you are looking for thrills, which I like as well, there are mountains right around the corner for your pleasure.

 

[wdwgreek]

They had the tiki room open as a trick or treat location for MNSSHP and it was so creepy. They had blue LED's washing over the room and the preshow music quietly playing, while the lovely ladies of the ensemble rotated half way around. It was so creepy to see the stuffed bird sitting lifeless.

 

[Phil12]

....and you're here because....you're a huge fan of...Disney....?

The problem with some fans is that they turn a blind eye toward Walt's greedy nature and the way he cheated the shareholders out of millions of dollars. Had he lived, he intended to repeat the same dishonest practices in his new EPCOT project. Only this time around he planned to legally insulate himself to head off lawsuits.

Thankfully Walt passed and Roy (who forced him to come clean on his previous scams) was honest and unwilling to follow through with Walt's EPCOT dystopia. And everyone lived happily ever after (although Walt's estate was still undeservedly sucking money out of TWDC until 1982). Even Roy E. Disney objected to the overvalued price TWDC ended up paying to buy the Retlaw rights.

However, if it makes you feel better to believe in the fantasy that Walt was honest in his business practices, it's your right. But you're only fooling yourself.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

The problem with some fans is that they turn a blind eye toward Walt's greedy nature and the way he cheated the shareholders out of millions of dollars. Had he lived, he intended to repeat the same dishonest practices in his new EPCOT project. Only this time around he planned to legally insulate himself to head off lawsuits.

Thankfully Walt passed and Roy (who forced him to come clean on his previous scams) was honest and unwilling to follow through with Walt's EPCOT dystopia. And everyone lived happily ever after (although Walt's estate was still undeservedly sucking money out of TWDC until 1982). Even Roy E. Disney objected to the overvalued price TWDC ended up paying to buy the Retlaw rights.

However, if it makes you feel better to believe in the fantasy that Walt was honest in his business practices, it's your right. But you're only fooling yourself.

People complain about Iger running around buying up IP's and Walt did it for years.

 

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he intended to repeat the same dishonest practices in his new EPCOT project

such as?

 

[KBLovedDisney]

The problem with some fans is that they turn a blind eye toward Walt's greedy nature and the way he cheated the shareholders out of millions of dollars. Had he lived, he intended to repeat the same dishonest practices in his new EPCOT project. Only this time around he planned to legally insulate himself to head off lawsuits.

Thankfully Walt passed and Roy (who forced him to come clean on his previous scams) was honest and unwilling to follow through with Walt's EPCOT dystopia. And everyone lived happily ever after (although Walt's estate was still undeservedly sucking money out of TWDC until 1982). Even Roy E. Disney objected to the overvalued price TWDC ended up paying to buy the Retlaw rights.

However, if it makes you feel better to believe in the fantasy that Walt was honest in his business practices, it's your right. But you're only fooling yourself.

It isn't the info that bothers me man. It was more just that blatant statement of "how it was good that Walt was dead" and all. Too Scroogey.

 

[Magenta Panther]

People complain about Iger running around buying up IP's and Walt did it for years.

Wrong.

Walt bought the rights to books and adapted them to the big screen, adding elements and changes and giving them a new interpretation. They became the signature Disney version and therefore immortal.

Iger buys up already-developed/franchised IPs because the audience for them is already there and they already sell merchandise.

That's the difference between acquisition and artistry. Class dismissed!

 

[MichRX7]

The ... yourself.

Clicked on your profile. Got this, and it explained everything.

 

[Pixieish]

Walt was wrong when he said about the Florida project, "...there's enough land here to hold all of the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine." He was focused too much on making gobs of money with EPCOT rather than creativity.

Of course time has proven him wrong in that TWDC has theme parks all over the world, a cruise line, the DVC, Adventures by Disney and Disney Sports Enterprises. And of course I don't need to mention their film, TV and other entertainment interests.

TWDC became a powerhouse in spite of what Walt wanted. It was a blessing to the company and the shareholders that Walt passed on in 1966.

No, it was no blessing at all. Walt and Roy were a team comprised of their two opposite personalities that complimented each other and they compromised to build Disneyland and they, together are what made the places we all love to this day. That Disney has been unable to form such a team since Walt's passing is why we are all complaining about lack of maintenance, new ideas, etc. etc.

 

[Pixieish]

People complain about Iger running around buying up IP's and Walt did it for years.

Wrong.

Walt bought the rights to books and adapted them to the big screen, adding elements and changes and giving them a new interpretation. They became the signature Disney version and therefore immortal.

Iger buys up already-developed/franchised IPs because the audience for them is already there and they already sell merchandise.

That's the difference between acquisition and artistry. Class dismissed!

Actually, Walt used primarily stories that were already in the public domain, so he didn't have to buy anything, if you want to get technical.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wrong.

Walt bought the rights to books and adapted them to the big screen, adding elements and changes and giving them a new interpretation. They became the signature Disney version and therefore immortal.

Iger buys up already-developed/franchised IPs because the audience for them is already there and they already sell merchandise.

That's the difference between acquisition and artistry. Class dismissed!

There was already a handful of Alice movies and another handful of TV adaptations before Walt also grabbed her for himself.

There were a bunch of theatrical and audio version of Winnie the Pooh before Walt gobbled that up.

Peter Pan likewise had theatrical versions and a film before Walt bought him.

Sure, what was done before wasn't bought by Walt, but it does show that you can take something that has had previous versions and then what you do with it from there is uniquely yours... just like when Disney bought Marvel, there was only two movies in the MCU: Hulk and Iron Man. Everything that happened from there was a Disney-stamped "new interpretation" as you put it. A signature Disney version and therefore immortal.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Actually, Walt used primarily stories that were already in the public domain, so he didn't have to buy anything, if you want to get technical.

Didn’t know that. So, that’s why he had a rough time with getting Mary Poppins Made And dealing with PL Travers. Thank you

 

[Pixieish]

Didn’t know that. So, that’s why he had a rough time with getting Mary Poppins Made And dealing with PL Travers. Thank you

You're very welcome!

I've always loved Walt's story...a perfect example of rags to riches on the power of imagination.

 

[mikejs78]

Actually, Walt used primarily stories that were already in the public domain, so he didn't have to buy anything, if you want to get technical.

That's a bit of a myth. While much Disney lore comes from the public domain, many movies from the Walt era were from copyrighted works: Mary Poppins, Bambi, Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan, Old Yeller, Zorro, Pollyanna, Winnie the Pooh, One Hundred and One Dalmatians - just to name a few.

 

[mikejs78]

There was already a handful of Alice movies and another handful of TV adaptations before Walt also grabbed her for himself.

There were a bunch of theatrical and audio version of Winnie the Pooh before Walt gobbled that up.

Peter Pan likewise had theatrical versions and a film before Walt bought him.

Sure, what was done before wasn't bought by Walt, but it does show that you can take something that has had previous versions and then what you do with it from there is uniquely yours... just like when Disney bought Marvel, there was only two movies in the MCU: Hulk and Iron Man. Everything that happened from there was a Disney-stamped "new interpretation" as you put it. A signature Disney version and therefore immortal.

Rare bit of trivia - one of those "Alice movies" was something Walt worked on himself pre-Mickey - the Alice Comedies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Comedies. It's not quite Alice in Wonderland, but it was inspired by it...