News Buzzy’s been stolen?

[marni1971]

Is that in reply to me? I meant the beta version of the show that is audio only. (plus I've seen this vid before)

There’s little difference between the demo and the final show.

 

[Magenta Panther]

We're not talking about details here that could implicate any source. It's just a simple yes or no. Countless members have already stated their opinion here on the subject as well as making definitive statements this would be no different. I don't feel entitled to an answer and I'm not asking Martin or anyone else to make a definitive statement. He decided to make an implied definitive statement in the form of a hint. All I'm saying is in this situation the hinting to protect sources excuse doesn't fly so just say something there's no need to beat around the bush. Also I know he is respected and well known here, but I'm sorry no legitimate news outlet is going to cite him as a source and/or quote him. We know who he is and his history, but from a real world perspective he's just an anonymous online source.

Look I really didn't want this to devolve into a bash Martin argument. Like I said I like him and much of the content he's offered over the years, I just disagree with this childish hinting that offers no information. If he doesn't want to say anything at all that's fine. I'm just pointing out that if someone is making vague hints on a subject where the definitive information has no possibility of revealing or compromising a source, well then to me that reads as I don't know.

Also the way you handled this was great! You laid out the information you got that you could share, you didn't resort to vague hints and you didn't pretend to know everything. I know you're young, but this was a much more mature way to handle things. I hope this is just the beginning of a new generation of "insiders"!

What exactly is your problem? Martin is kind enough to share what he can with us. He's not going to compromise his sources because you wanna know NOW!!!!!!

GROW UP.

 

[Disnerd2003]

@s8film40 ,Because you either can't read, or choose not to, I'll post again what I said yesterday. I dumbed it down:

I was going to try to not even waste my time and resources, but I have to. If you honestly think this, you're delusional. The sources may have shared with him the info and specifically said not to share until the story fully breaks, or it may he deeper. Honestly, it's none of our business. Martin has a PROVEN track record. You and others only run your mouth. Looking at it rationally, very few people probably know the truth. If Martin were to tell, that would narrow the sources to the people whom know. It could be back tracked easily. It's people like y'all who are going to drive the great @marni1971 away.

Also, he told us the removal was unauthorized. At the time, that was huge. He's trying to aide the story any way that he can. Again, if you'd cared to actually read what he said... time to step away from the forum for a little while buddy... @marni1971 we still love you!

 

[KBLovedDisney]

You clearly didn’t read what I said.

Buzzy was taken. Martin has told us all he is able, meaning he can't tell us what is going on exactly because he isn't privy to give us that information.

There, I helped.

 

[s8film40]

@s8film40 Oh, we did. He's right. You're not gonna like my post.

Look I’ve said what I’ve said. Continuing to repeat it isn’t going to help you and others understand. I think it’s time we all agree to disagree and move back to discussing the topic.

 

[Cheekylittlerobot]

@marni1971

On the website, where the audio can be found there is a comment section,(the only part of the site that works for me). Everyone in the comment section was complaining about how terrible it was and that they are glad Disney changed it. Apparently, they are very few voice actors in it and a theme song different from the final one in the preshow. Maybe it is audio from one of the films that someone mistook for the old demo audio. Hang on and let me see if I can find the link.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We're not talking about details here that could implicate any source. It's just a simple yes or no.

Purely theoretical: Let's say Buzzy was actually stolen by thieves. And let's say Martin says a simple 'yes' to "was it stolen?"

That 'simple yes' would reverberate throughout the blogosphere and news outlets (real ones) would pick up on it and there'd be headlines saying "Buzzy Stolen According to Disney Insider."

Now, if WDW didn't want that information out there, or if authorities waiting for the thieves to show their hand on the black market didn't want that information out there... Oopsie. No one in WDW will talk to Martin again.

So, sometimes a 'simple yes or no' isn't simple at all. And you have to accept it.

 

[s8film40]

Purely theoretical: Let's say Buzzy was actually stolen by thieves. And let's say Martin says a simple 'yes' to "was it stolen?"

That 'simple yes' would reverberate throughout the blogosphere and news outlets (real ones) would pick up on it and there'd be headlines saying "Buzzy Stolen According to Disney Insider."

Now, if WDW didn't want that information out there, or if authorities waiting for the thieves to show their hand on the black market didn't want that information out there... Oopsie. No one in WDW will talk to Martin again.

So, sometimes a 'simple yes or no' isn't simple at all. And you have to accept it.

I disagree what you’ve described has already happened. Just different insiders involved. The reason the legitimate news didn’t run the story until the police report was available is because they’re not going to rely solely on an insider, no matter who the insider is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I disagree what you’ve described has already happened. Just different insiders involved. The reason the legitimate news didn’t run the story until the police report was available is because they’re not going to rely solely on an insider, no matter who the insider is.

I've read quite a few stories in standard news outlets that quote just one insider. Sometimes just Corless or Hill! And in some of those cases, they say they're reporting on a rumor. Corless and Hill don't mind the spotlight. Other insiders prefer not to be in the spotlight because their sources aren't the ones Corless and Hill use and don't want to be a source of leaks.

 

[Cheekylittlerobot]

Ok, can't find it on my computer history. It was something like UAB radio/magic or something like that. I'm having a hard time finding it. Maybe the website got shut down. EDIT: I found the links but my post needs to go through mod approval first.

 

[Cheekylittlerobot]

Ok, here are my sources so that I don't sound crazy:

Link to the audio: (one's the normal show and the other is the demo) http://www.uabmagic.com/modules.php?name=UAB_Request

You might need an account to view it, I'm not sure.

Source to where I found the link: http://wol4eva.blogspot.com/2011/10/battle-of-cortexes.html#more

 

[Disney Maddux]

Buzzy's Escape Plan Log #1

"I've been left to rot in here for the past 11 years now... But, I finally have a plan to get out of here. My plan is to break myself free from the hydraulics, then run out and see my friends over at Horizons and World of Motion. Also, Ima stage it to make it seem like I was stolen!"

TO BE CONTINUED...

 

[s8film40]

I've read quite a few stories in standard news outlets that quote just one insider. Sometimes just Corless or Hill! And in some of those cases, they say they're reporting on a rumor. Corless and Hill don't mind the spotlight. Other insiders prefer not to be in the spotlight because their sources aren't the ones Corless and Hill use and don't want to be a source of leaks.

I think the difference there is those are more forward looking things and more of a speculative nature. This is an event in the past and is a lot more fact based. It either happened or it didn’t. Either way you’re point is valid and he’s entitled to withold his knowledge or opinions for this or any other reason he wants.

I want to reiterate I’m not trying to discredit him. I was pointing out that the information he provided could fit with either scenario, and so it’s provided no new information to this topic. If he has nothing else to add that’s perfectly fine. I’m only looking at what he’s said.

 

[flynnibus]

I think the difference there is those are more forward looking things and more of a speculative nature. This is an event in the past and is a lot more fact based. It either happened or it didn’t. Either way you’re point is valid and he’s entitled to withold his knowledge or opinions for this or any other reason he wants.

I want to reiterate I’m not trying to discredit him. I was pointing out that the information he provided could fit with either scenario, and so it’s provided no new information to this topic. If he has nothing else to add that’s perfectly fine. I’m only looking at what he’s said.

You really need to drop it.

It’s simple... at times people are INTENTIONALLY being ambiguous for purpose. The problem is... most people don’t pick up on that and keep picking at it, oblivious to the chose that was made NOT to answer that. When you are familiar with a person’s style... the distinction between intentional or not is easy to spot. And you should respect their choice... because it probably has a reason.

Often knowledge is shared with the expectation that those details are not explicitly shared... or that the understanding in detail does not exceed some other... more accessible detail level.

And with Martin... it has been clear he doesn’t withhold details simply to be selfish or hold it so he knows more than someone else... but the level of detail shared is bounded to respect the wishes or means of those he interacts with.

When you keep fighting on like this, no matter how much you say you are not... you are being disrespectful to Martin by not taking his actions as they are... and questioning his judgment.

 

[s8film40]

You really need to drop it.

It’s simple... at times people are INTENTIONALLY being ambiguous for purpose. The problem is... most people don’t pick up on that and keep picking at it, oblivious to the chose that was made NOT to answer that. When you are familiar with a person’s style... the distinction between intentional or not is easy to spot. And you should respect their choice... because it probably has a reason.

Often knowledge is shared with the expectation that those details are not explicitly shared... or that the understanding in detail does not exceed some other... more accessible detail level.

And with Martin... it has been clear he doesn’t withhold details simply to be selfish or hold it so he knows more than someone else... but the level of detail shared is bounded to respect the wishes or means of those he interacts with.

When you keep fighting on like this, no matter how much you say you are not... you are being disrespectful to Martin by not taking his actions as they are... and questioning his judgment.

I did drop it a long time ago. Others like yourself keep bringing it back up and attributing things I never said to this. I never asked for details. I simply analyzed what Martin said. So maybe as it turns out, you need to drop it.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Man......I can't imagine what the "Buzzy's Been Found" thread is gonna look like..............

 

[drew81]

Maybe Buzzy is sitting in @wdwmagic's garage?

 

[DznyRktekt]

He was a very passionate member of these boards around 15 years ago.

Last logged in August 2007.

I remember reading his posts. He had passion and shared information often. Hope he is doing well.

 

[RSoxNo1]

A pretty solid Buzzy related account has cropped up with some good photoshopped images


Some of the other posts are NSFW.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

There’s little difference between the demo and the final show.

And that's where you're wrong.