Bus Stop at Values....SHADE!!!!!

[Iteachwood]

I remember last time we were at POP...while waiting in line for busit was EXTREMELY hot in the July Sun. Why can't Disney put a covering at these stops like they do at most other resorts. Yes there is shade where you sit near doors BUT when there are lots people and you are in line its brutal, especially if you are waiting 15-20 min...Is it that difficult to put canopy?

 

[stratman50th]

It's just a little sun folks, no need to call in Amnesty International.

Now that, made me Laugh Out Loud!:lol:

 

[PhilharMagician]

Wow, that is harsh. Have you no humanity? This is about a simple courtesy to guests, no matter what they pay for their resort. It has nothing to do with entitlement, or choosing the wrong state to vacation in.

IF this was taken to be harsh, I apologize. It was not meant to be.

Who states where common courtesy starts and where it ends? It is Disney, and currently covered bus stops are not one of the amenities offered at Value resorts. Common courtesy to the guests could be free continental breakfast or free WIFI. It really depends on what each individual expects out of their stay. Now the less infrastructure there is the less it costs the resort to operate.

If this is over health issue's and you cannot be outside in the heat for the time it takes to wait for the bus, then you shouldn't be planning a vacation at WDW in the summer and then complain about the heat. Why would one want to put themselves in the situation to harm themselves? What would happen if infrastrucure were to fail and power was lost and no A/C was available or worse yet look at TDL when the earthquake hit and all of the guests were locked in and they had to wait outside in the open enviroment for hours?:shrug:

 

[PhilharMagician]

Now that, made me Laugh Out Loud!:lol:

Ditto!

 

[CleveRocks]

Ditto!

Double ditto!

 

[CleveRocks]

Look, it has nothing to do with common decency or humanity or anything else. as someone else mentioned, part of the reason a resort costs less than another resort is less infrastructure ... there is more cost in building and maintaining a structure than there is in not having the structure. That contributes to the ability to offer a resort at a lower cost.

You could just as easily say it's a matter of human decency to have a free refrigerator in every room. You could just as easily say, "HEY! How come other people can have cold milk for their kids but I have to walk to the food court to get it? What if my kid needs milk at 2 a.m. and the food court's closed?! It's basic human decency that I should be allowed to have cold milk (or whatever) for my kid to drink!"

You could just as easily say it's a matter of human decency that the large and spread out Value resorts should have multiple bus stops closer to more of the rooms, just like the three largest Moderate resorts do (POFQ is small enough not to need it). You could say it's a matter of human decency that no one should have to walk the length of the entire resort in the hot sun just to catch a bus. "Why do the people at the Moderates get a short walk from their rooms to the nearest bus stop, while I have to walk across half of Florida in the hot sun to get to the one and only bus stop?", you could ask.

I could go on ... and on. Ceiling fans absent at the Values ("They want me to overheat in my own room!"). Table-service restaurants absent at the Values ("They won't even let me sit down to a decent meal, they won't serve me food with decent nutritional value! They don't even respect me enough to use regular plates, everything's disposable here at the food court!") ... and so on.

The lack of a covered bus stop is just one of the many amenities not available at the Values. From this point forward, you know it before you make a reservation at a Value. If it bothers you enough, you'll either spend more money to stay at a higher level of resort, or you won't stay on-property at Disney. This isn't harsh or cold. This is about adults making choices about how they want to spend their money.

 

[R W B]

Look, it has nothing to do with common decency or humanity or anything else. as someone else mentioned, part of the reason a resort costs less than another resort is less infrastructure ... there is more cost in building and maintaining a structure than there is in not having the structure. That contributes to the ability to offer a resort at a lower cost.

You could just as easily say it's a matter of human decency to have a free refrigerator in every room. You could just as easily say, "HEY! How come other people can have cold milk for their kids but I have to walk to the food court to get it? What if my kid needs milk at 2 a.m. and the food court's closed?! It's basic human decency that I should be allowed to have cold milk (or whatever) for my kid to drink!"

Bring an ice chest for your kids milk to keep it cold.

You could just as easily say it's a matter of human decency that the large and spread out Value resorts should have multiple bus stops closer to more of the rooms, just like the three largest Moderate resorts do (POFQ is small enough not to need it). You could say it's a matter of human decency that no one should have to walk the length of the entire resort in the hot sun just to catch a bus. "Why do the people at the Moderates get a short walk from their rooms to the nearest bus stop, while I have to walk across half of Florida in the hot sun to get to the one and only bus stop?", you could ask.

If you have a disability you can tell the people in reservations when you book this and get a room closer to the bus stop and not pay more. I have done this personally with my G/F's dad. If you do not have a disability and are just lazy, deal with it.

I could go on ... and on. Ceiling fans absent at the Values ("They want me to overheat in my own room!"). Table-service restaurants absent at the Values ("They won't even let me sit down to a decent meal, they won't serve me food with decent nutritional value! They don't even respect me enough to use regular plates, every thing's disposable here at the food court!") ... and so on.

How are these things life threating? If your over heating in your own room either stand in front of your A/C or get in a cold shower.

The lack of a covered bus stop is just one of the many amenities not available at the Values. From this point forward, you know it before you make a reservation at a Value. If it bothers you enough, you'll either spend more money to stay at a higher level of resort, or you won't stay on-property at Disney. This isn't harsh or cold. This is about adults making choices about how they want to spend their money.[/QUOTE]

For most of your examples above, people have options to deal with those problems. For the topic at hand, the only options are to spend more money which is not possible for thousands of people who stay at the values each year or not go at all. Which option do you think Disney wants?

An awning should not be a luxury, its a necessity with the temp in the mid 90s. I live in New Orleans where its usually in the 90s from Mar/April-Oct/Nov. so i'm use to the heat but its a big difference from standing still in 95 degree temps and from walking in the same heat. In the parks you have shade everywhere from trees to going inside a store for a min, you have options to get out of the direct sun light.

Also I know like mentioned above, it would need to be more then just an awning do to needing to hold up in extreme weather but it still would not be that expensive or hard to do.

PhilharMagician- What happen at TDL can not be blamed on Disney or anyone really. It was mother nature and she can hit any where she wants to. Also as far as an infrastructure fail goes, that too is not the same as this. If Pop loses power and none of the buildings had A/C it would be very hot but that could happen at Poly too. Also that is not something that happens every single day like people waiting in 95+ temp at a bus stop during the summer.

As far as the second class citizens thing is concerned, i've never felt like that at all. I've even been to deluxe resorts and mentioned where I was I staying(Values) and the CMs didn't change attitude or anything, they remained very Disney like. IMO once you step into the parks, everyone is equal and it doesn't matter where you showered and slept the night before.

 

[cymbaldiva]

Really y'all - is it too much to ask for some kind of covering for the bus stops for every resort?

Really???? :lookaroun

 

[unkadug]

Really y'all - is it too much to ask for some kind of covering for the bus stops for every resort?

Really???? :lookaroun

or free dining for everyone?

 

[PhilharMagician]

PhilharMagician- What happen at TDL can not be blamed on Disney or anyone really. It was mother nature and she can hit any where she wants to. Also as far as an infrastructure fail goes, that too is not the same as this. If Pop loses power and none of the buildings had A/C it would be very hot but that could happen at Poly too. Also that is not something that happens every single day like people waiting in 95+ temp at a bus stop during the summer.

I am not comparing the two, I am stating to people that cannot stand outside for 15 minutes, that you may be forced too for some unknown and unexpected reason at some point. If your health and well being could be compomised from standing outside for that time period then you may want to heed caution. Sometimes we can forget that if a disaster were to hit that we would not have the comforts of life or the necessities to keep us alive that we all rely on.

Bring an ice chest for your kids milk to keep it cold.


If you have a disability you can tell the people in reservations when you book this and get a room closer to the bus stop and not pay more. I have done this personally with my G/F's dad. If you do not have a disability and are just lazy, deal with it.

These are all great ideas to solve the problem of lacking amenites.

Would an umbrella work as a portable shade or shelter from the rain for someone that needed? :shrug:

 

[sublimesting]

Compared to the cost of building a hotel, adding a covered waiting area for the bus is an absolute pittance. I could afford that! This shouldn't be a "perk". And on that topic neither should a coffee pot in each room. Even the worst hotels have a coffee pot in the room.

 

[CaptainJackNO]

I remember last time we were at POP...while waiting in line for busit was EXTREMELY hot in the July Sun. Why can't Disney put a covering at these stops like they do at most other resorts. Yes there is shade where you sit near doors BUT when there are lots people and you are in line its brutal, especially if you are waiting 15-20 min...Is it that difficult to put canopy?

I think, given the location of the stops being right against the building, that overhangs such as what they have at the moderates and above might actually be viewed as a fire hazard by fire code. I could be wrong, but if there was a fire, firefighters would need access to the building. Overhangs or stops may interfere with this.
I am with all of you. Adding a shelter for such large resorts would be a minor expense given the number of guests.

 

[cymbaldiva]

or free dining for everyone?

Don't curse me with free dining - I really don't like most of the food! :ROFLOL:

 

[PalisadesPkteer]

There is a difference to what is an amenity or "perk" and what is a courtesy.

If you pay more you should get "perks" like maybe free breakfast, fridge, larger room, better bed, larger bathroom, larger / better pool with slides and closer to parks.

Just not sure you can call covered bus stops a perk or a courtesy. I have stayed at Pop several times, 1 time at AS movies and 1 time at CBR.

I have never felt like a second class citizen. However, IMHO think a covered bus stop is more a courtesy than a perk / amenity. That the bus stop is closer to your room is a perk though. So, the debate goes on....

 

[Minnie1976]

Weather in the summer is hot in Florida. It is very uncomfortable to stand in high 90 or 100 degree weather with a heat index higher with the sun beating directly on you. No one is asking that these hotels have the amenities of the deluxe or moderate hotels - just a little shade to make waiting in bus lines a little more comfortable. You can hold the misting. Remember you maybe young and healthy, but there are older people who love Disney. As you age you don't tolerate the heat as you use to as a young person and sometimes there are health problems. Don't say don't go when it is hot because I've been there in December and it was hot. You never know with Florida weather.

Most of the attractions have provided shade to protect you as you wait in line for attractions (unless the line goes out of the attraction and you have to wait on the walkway). Then that is your choice to wait or come back when the line isn't as long or the heat isn't as high. If you are using bus transportation you don't have that option.

Maybe since some people don't think the value hotels don't need bus awnings they would like to remove that portion that gives shelter from sun or rain at transportation at the Magic Kingdom for value hotels or have a special place for them to stand for the monorail so NO Shade for THEM and put a badge on the value hotel guests.

 

[CaptainJackNO]

There is a difference to what is an amenity or "perk" and what is a courtesy.

If you pay more you should get "perks" like maybe free breakfast, fridge, larger room, better bed, larger bathroom, larger / better pool with slides and closer to parks.

Just not sure you can call covered bus stops a perk or a courtesy. I have stayed at Pop several times, 1 time at AS movies and 1 time at CBR.

I have never felt like a second class citizen. However, IMHO think a covered bus stop is more a courtesy than a perk / amenity. That the bus stop is closer to your room is a perk though. So, the debate goes on....

You are right. We stayed at CBR on our last trip. WHile the amenities were great (pool, covered stops, etc.) We felt like we walked a mile just to get to the bus stops at CBR. The closeness of the bus stops at AS and POP are perks...big time.

 

[R W B]

I am not comparing the two, I am stating to people that cannot stand outside for 15 minutes, that you may be forced too for some unknown and unexpected reason at some point. If your health and well being could be compomised from standing outside for that time period then you may want to heed caution. Sometimes we can forget that if a disaster were to hit that we would not have the comforts of life or the necessities to keep us alive that we all rely on.

I agree with you 100% on this, you may be forced to at some point. Like I said, I live on the Gulf Coast and I have first hand experience with hurricanes and the lack of comforts they can bring with them. But using your logic here, should we move anyone who cant be in the heat for 15-20 min up north and out of the southern U.S. for their own safety in case another disaster hits us? No we shouldn't because those dont happen everyday in one place (power outages, house fires, etc happen everyday but not at the same location), where as people standing outside of Values in the high temps does happen everyday.

These are all great ideas to solve the problem of lacking amenites.

Would an umbrella work as a portable shade or shelter from the rain for someone that needed? :shrug:

An umbrella would work for some, yes, but where exactly do I put my full size umbrella when I go on Space Mt? I barely have enough room for my big feet much less a 2 1/2 ft-3 ft umbrella.

Although I do not know of any incidents where someone has had a heat stroke or fainted waiting at a bus stop at a Value due to standing in the direct sun light I would think Disney would not want that to happen at all and would do something to make sure it wouldn't happen.

To everyone who is saying "If we give Values shaded bus stops, where does it end?" Really? I agree if you want more "perks" in your room then you should pay more, thats just how life is. The more your willing to spend, the more perks you get. Although I dont see not compromising someones health as a perk though, just my opinion.

 

[bob0012]

To all of the people arguing it’s a safety issue, it’s not it’s a comfort issue. The people who are waiting in the lines are getting on busses to go to theme parks where they will be outside all day. If they chose to they can rent a car or drive their own car to the theme park and not endure the heat. I understand the complaint is it’s so hot and it’s Florida, I agree it’s hot out. I’ll bet those same guests won’t “die” from walking in the heat for the same amount of time to get to their favorite ride.

And for everyone concerned about the safety side of this, what about the life guards at the water parks, the cast members who drive the boats to Tom Sawyer’s Island, the parking cast members, and all the other people who are “forced” to be out in the heat. Now I’m sure the response to that is “well they chose to work in that position” and that is very true. And the people who are staying at a value resort chose to stay there.

Bottom line is it’s not as easy as throwing up a tent. A themed structure would have to be designed to meet each individual environment as well as meet Florida’s strict building codes. These structures would have to endure rain, hurricane force winds and intense heat (not for the 15 minutes until the bus comes, but for years). After the design and construction is complete they then would have to wall off sections of the bus stops on at a time while they are installed including ripping up the concrete to lay the support structure needed. Once the new concrete is poured and the area re-opened they would move on, but now the maintenance team has to take over constantly repainting and repairing. And of course every few years they would have to be taken out to do a major rehab and re-weld, until their 10-15 year life span is over.

The small cost you see for an awning is actually a major ongoing expense. And the lack of those kinds of expenses is what keeps it a value resort.

 

[Motorpro]

I have stayed at all 3 levels and see no reason to ever stay anywhere but POP. Have never felt second class there, find the people nicer and the themeing much better. Shade would be nice but would not give up the themeing for it.

 

[Iteachwood]

To all of the people arguing it’s a safety issue, it’s not it’s a comfort issue. The people who are waiting in the lines are getting on busses to go to theme parks where they will be outside all day. If they chose to they can rent a car or drive their own car to the theme park and not endure the heat. I understand the complaint is it’s so hot and it’s Florida, I agree it’s hot out. I’ll bet those same guests won’t “die” from walking in the heat for the same amount of time to get to their favorite ride.

And for everyone concerned about the safety side of this, what about the life guards at the water parks, the cast members who drive the boats to Tom Sawyer’s Island, the parking cast members, and all the other people who are “forced” to be out in the heat. Now I’m sure the response to that is “well they chose to work in that position” and that is very true. And the people who are staying at a value resort chose to stay there.

Bottom line is it’s not as easy as throwing up a tent. A themed structure would have to be designed to meet each individual environment as well as meet Florida’s strict building codes. These structures would have to endure rain, hurricane force winds and intense heat (not for the 15 minutes until the bus comes, but for years). After the design and construction is complete they then would have to wall off sections of the bus stops on at a time while they are installed including ripping up the concrete to lay the support structure needed. Once the new concrete is poured and the area re-opened they would move on, but now the maintenance team has to take over constantly repainting and repairing. And of course every few years they would have to be taken out to do a major rehab and re-weld, until their 10-15 year life span is over.

The small cost you see for an awning is actually a major ongoing expense. And the lack of those kinds of expenses is what keeps it a value resort.

Please give me a break! its an awning! With all the supers structures disney puts up you are going to tell me with a straight face its a majore ongoing expense? Its an awning!!!

 

[unkadug]

Please give me a break! its an awning! With all the supers structures Disney puts up you are going to tell me with a straight face its a major ongoing expense? Its an awning!!!

If you require an awning, may I suggest staying at a hotel that offers an awning.