Bus Stop at Values....SHADE!!!!!

[Iteachwood]

I remember last time we were at POP...while waiting in line for busit was EXTREMELY hot in the July Sun. Why can't Disney put a covering at these stops like they do at most other resorts. Yes there is shade where you sit near doors BUT when there are lots people and you are in line its brutal, especially if you are waiting 15-20 min...Is it that difficult to put canopy?

 

[Minnie1976]

That was one of the comments I made to my husband when we were at POP in April 2011. The bus stops at the value hotels needed an awning. Just because it is a value hotel doesn't mean the people can't have an awning to wait under for the bus stop. They don't need benches because POP has good bus service. I don't think it is asking too much especially with the Florida heat.

 

[stratman50th]

When I choose to pay more, I expect more. If I'm paying $50 per person for dinner, I won't stand for paper napkins and greasy sandwiches, and I won't stand for the utter indignity of having to open the door for myself. :ROFLOL:

The exception of course being Disney's Counter Service restaurants.
Ok, couldn't let that one go. $50.00 per person, Disney, CS, Get it?
Come on people, this is good stuff here!

 

[unkadug]

1. Safety
2. Courtesy
3. Show
4. Efficiency

That's an antiquated philosophy.

It's not something that's a perk, like having a TS restaurant at the resort or a themed pool or a Photopass kiosk. It's courtesy that all guests deserve.

You have to draw the line somewhere...next you'll be saying that all guests should have the courtesy of a free continental breakfast everyday.

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

 

[goofysgurl]

I have stayed at all resort levels and I really don't think of an awning/covering for the bus stops at "value" resorts as a luxury or perk. It's a "minor" expense for Disney that would greatly enhance the guests stay at the resort. IMHO given the inconsistency in reliable bus service at all the resorts this shouldn't even be open for discussion. All resorts should provide some protection from the elements - even for those who don't wish to overpay for a room they sleep in.

 

[COProgressFan]

I have stayed at all resort levels and I really don't think of an awning/covering for the bus stops at "value" resorts as a luxury or perk. It's a "minor" expense for Disney that would greatly enhance the guests stay at the resort. IMHO given the inconsistency in reliable bus service at all the resorts this shouldn't even be open for discussion. All resorts should provide some protection from the elements - even for those who don't wish to overpay for a room they sleep in.

I'm not a fan of the value resorts at all, but I agree -- shade in the 95 degree Florida sun is not a "perk" but a simple courtesy that should be given to guests, many of whom are not accustomed to the FL sun/heat.

 

[mp2bill]

I'm sure that it would not be a difficult venture. Perhaps you and others could write to the appropriate people at Disney. There must be a point in which they get the hint and respond with actions.

Great advice.

 

[Iteachwood]

Bottom line....with money that pours into disney...just how much would it cost to put up simple awning so guest can be comfortable? So if you are staying at a value and not a moderate the thinking should be by disney, tough luck ..you get to stand in the blistering heat? Its an awning!!!!!SIMPLE but shows you are considering your customers in the heat..ALL CUSTOMERS

 

[wdwmagic]

I agree that there should be some kind of shade for both sun and for rain. However, it would have to be more than a simple awning, as it would need to withstand extreme weather including very high winds.

 

[brandon8419]

I stayed at POP my last 2 trips and loved it, especially having our own bus line ... but the one complaint was definitely waiting in the sun for the buses, sometimes 20 min +

There is a shaded area behind the queue, but there is often always a line so you can't really sit there unless you want to lose your place in line.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

I agree that there should be some kind of shade for both sun and for rain. However, it would have to be more than a simple awning, as it would need to withstand extreme weather including very high winds.

Exactly. Disney can't just go buy some pop up tents at Walmart and put them up. Even a simple project like this would cost thousands for the engineering, design, and construction. I think the difference between the values and other levels of resorts are just the volume of people and lack of other forms of transportation. It seems like the theme park style line ups are the best way to handle transportation there, so the logistics of setting something up might just be difficult at this point.

I also have to strongly disagree with the idea that people get treated like second class citizens at the value resorts. I have stayed in every level of resort and never have I felt like a second class citizen. Do I get better treatment and amenities at the deluxe and DVC resorts...absolutely. However, I pay for those amenities and better treatment. We live in a free market economy, where those who are willing to pay more for something get more. If you still see the same smiling cast members at the resort when you are there then Disney is doing it's job.

 

[paul436]

So why is it so wrong for Disney to offer differential amenities at different price points? There are numerous differences between Values and Moderates. These include room size, pool slides, pool towels, hot tubs, Bell Services, table-service restaurants, the number of sinks in the room, ceiling fans, the covered bus stops, and probably some other things I'm forgetting.

It's not wrong to offer different amenities for different prices. And you've mentioned them correctly and it is what you pay extra for. But I wouldn't include a covered bus stop to the list.

With the weather conditions that exist during the summer months and range of ages of the WDW guests, not having a covered bus stop could lead to real health issues for guests. No one's health is going to be negatively affected because their room or pool is smaller but unnecessary exposure to the elements could be dangerous.

BTW, I've stayed at the value resorts many times and never felt like a second class citizen. I was treated quite well and have no complaints. I had a great stay every time.

 

[beanbunny]

It's not wrong to offer different amenities for different prices. And you've mentioned them correctly and it is what you pay extra for. But I wouldn't include a covered bus stop to the list.

With the weather conditions that exist during the summer months and range of ages of the WDW guests, not having a covered bus stop could lead to real health issues for guests. No one's health is going to be negatively affected because their room or pool is smaller but unnecessary exposure to the elements could be dangerous.

BTW, I've stayed at the value resorts many times and never felt like a second class citizen. I was treated quite well and have no complaints. I had a great stay every time.

I wholeheartedly agree. Plus, no one has mentioned the danger of having to wait in Florida's hot sun with an 85 year old confined to a wheel chair. If we waited under the awning at Pop, we would lose our place in line - especially since the buses only take 2 wheelchairs at a time. Unfortunately, shade is not an option for us.

 

[WeLoveTheMouse]

We've stayed at POP several times over the last handful of years and the lack of covering never really bothered me. And that's in the summer too. I guess I'm so used to baking while walking around the parks that I hadn't given it much thought. The coverings would be nice though.

As for the "second class citizen" comment, my wife and I always like to complain to each other in a joking manner about our low social class as we have to walk the farthest to our bus stops at the parks. When we booked AKL this year, one of the first things we talked about was how we would have closer bus stops! We must be moving up in the world! ;>)

 

[PhilharMagician]

I'm fascinated. PLEASE share your opinion about how Value resort guests are supposedly treated like second-class citizens.

I've usually stayed at Moderate resorts. I don't consider myself treated like a second-class citizen at a Moderate when I compare with how Deluxe guests are treated (having also stayed at a Deluxe once).

It is true that the more you pay, the more amenities you get. This is to be expected, isn't it? When I go to McDonald's, I don't expect linen napkins and I don't expect metal utensils and I don't expect a doorman to hold the door open for me as I walk in and out and I don't expect a server to bring me my food. I also don't expect the food to be especially tasty or nutritious.

But guess what. I CHOSE to eat at McDonald's. No one forced me to eat there. No one relegated me to second-class status, I CHOSE to eat there. Sure, if I look down the block to a fancy seafood restaurant, I might long to eat there instead. Or I might not. It depends on why I chose McD's in the first place.

When I choose to pay more, I expect more. If I'm paying $50 per person for dinner, I won't stand for paper napkins and greasy sandwiches, and I won't stand for the utter indignity of having to open the door for myself. :ROFLOL:

So why is it so wrong for Disney to offer differential amenities at different price points? There are numerous differences between Values and Moderates. These include room size, pool slides, pool towels, hot tubs, Bell Services, table-service restaurants, the number of sinks in the room, ceiling fans, the covered bus stops, and probably some other things I'm forgetting.

Outside of the resort properties themselves, I can't fathom a single way in which Value guests are treated differently than Moderate or Deluxe guests. There's no difference in admission to the parks, use of FASTPASS in the parks, use of Downtown Disney, and so on.

So how ARE Value guests treated like second-class citizens? In my opinion, they're not, but I'm curious to read your opinion.

It is called entitlement. People feel that someone else has something then they will want it too. They should be entitled to have a cover over them even tho the resort that they booked does not offer that.

It's not wrong to offer different amenities for different prices. And you've mentioned them correctly and it is what you pay extra for. But I wouldn't include a covered bus stop to the list.

With the weather conditions that exist during the summer months and range of ages of the WDW guests, not having a covered bus stop could lead to real health issues for guests. No one's health is going to be negatively affected because their room or pool is smaller but unnecessary exposure to the elements could be dangerous.

BTW, I've stayed at the value resorts many times and never felt like a second class citizen. I was treated quite well and have no complaints. I had a great stay every time.

If people cannot wait 15 minutes at a bus stop, then how will they be able to spend most of the day outside walking around a theme park? I certainly can agree waiting in the florida heat (or rain) is not the most comfortable thing to do, but if this will affect your health and safety by waiting 15 minutes then you are vacationing in the wrong state and certainly should not be visiting a theme park where you will be waiting in lines that are outside and not covered.

There are plenty of resorts on WDW property that have covered bus stops if that is what you are looking for.

 

[Dwarful]

We have stayed at all three levels of the resorts. Our worst experience was at CSR..saw the worst bus fight ever on Christmas morning...it was all because there was no specific line and two dads got into a fist fight over who was getting on the MK bus first...neither family made it on that bus...but it had nothing to do with an awning or no awning. However, after our recent stay at Movies with a large group I'd rather see them spend $100,000 or even $1,000,000 to put in awnings. That way each family could stay in line together and not come running up at the last minute with 10 or 12 people...you think you'll make that bus and then boom you don't because everyone in front of you was holding the spot for multiple people. My complaint when we stay at the deluxe is the constant bus sharing...I love the Yacht & Boardwalk resorts...but didn't like sharing w/Y/B/Boardwalk,Swan & Dolphin...

 

[paul436]

If people cannot wait 15 minutes at a bus stop, then how will they be able to spend most of the day outside walking around a theme park? I certainly can agree waiting in the florida heat (or rain) is not the most comfortable thing to do, but if this will affect your health and safety by waiting 15 minutes then you are vacationing in the wrong state and certainly should not be visiting a theme park where you will be waiting in lines that are outside and not covered.

Your comment can cover any range of disadvantages/disabilities/special needs that some guests may have and I don't agree that they should be told "Don't come here if you can't handle it". A covering/shelter of some sort would not cost Disney that much in the grand scheme of things and would help many people.

 

[PhilharMagician]

Your comment can cover any range of disadvantages/disabilities/special needs that some guests may have and I don't agree that they should be told "Don't come here if you can't handle it". A covering/shelter of some sort would not cost Disney that much in the grand scheme of things and would help many people.

The point is, would it physically help people or just make them more comfortable?

The answer is it would make them more comfortable. Just like having a better mattress found in a deluxe resort, or the monorail in a MK resort, or a zero entry main pool with a slide and the list can go on.

I personally don't know where to draw the line, but Disney is running a business of resorts and those resorts are classified in multiple catagories. If people want the things that the other resorts have then they should book their stays in the other resorts in the higher catagories. I know when I go on vacatino I look at the amenities and my budget and then decide when, where and what for my vacation.

 

[COProgressFan]

It is called entitlement. People feel that someone else has something then they will want it too. They should be entitled to have a cover over them even tho the resort that they booked does not offer that.

If people cannot wait 15 minutes at a bus stop, then how will they be able to spend most of the day outside walking around a theme park? I certainly can agree waiting in the florida heat (or rain) is not the most comfortable thing to do, but if this will affect your health and safety by waiting 15 minutes then you are vacationing in the wrong state and certainly should not be visiting a theme park where you will be waiting in lines that are outside and not covered.

There are plenty of resorts on WDW property that have covered bus stops if that is what you are looking for.

Wow, that is harsh. Have you no humanity? This is about a simple courtesy to guests, no matter what they pay for their resort. It has nothing to do with entitlement, or choosing the wrong state to vacation in.

 

[stratman50th]

As for the "second class citizen" comment, my wife and I always like to complain to each other in a joking manner about our low social class as we have to walk the farthest to our bus stops at the parks. When we booked AKL this year, one of the first things we talked about was how we would have closer bus stops! We must be moving up in the world! ;>)

Well, keep complaining! We've stayed at the poly the last few times we went and I thought the were the farthest stops from the gate. I think the deluxe resort stops should be the first in line.

 

[SleepingMonk]

You're waiting OUTSIDE so you can get on a bus and walk around a park OUTSIDE all day long.

No one will be following you around the park with an umbrella to shield you from the harsh Florida sun. It's just a little sun folks, no need to call in Amnesty International.